E5200 vs E7300 vs E8400 strictly FPS gaming

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If I were to get the GTX 260 would the E5200 at 4GHz @ ~1.4v bottleneck performance?
1920x1200 resolution with 4GB RAM

Is there something about the Core 2 architecture that makes it better than the Pentium Dual Cores? despite more L2 Cache

After reading this http://translate.google.com/transla...tr=art&id=4678-19&sl=pl&tl=en&history_state0=
I was flabbergasted E5200 @ 3.75GHz < E8200 stock?! makes no sense

If anyone has the E7300 or E5200 overclocked please post results below! :D
 
Results of what? The highest i have taken my e5200 was 4.3Ghz @ 1.5V, and some people told me that i have the oddball of the e5200 fam, so if you get a better version of it, i can do that and more with lower voltages.

Here is a pic of it doing 4.3ghz @ 1.5V bios, i stopped orthos after 6 hours and 40 mins, since im sure i will not have the chip at full load for more than that. Temps never went over 64C on a big typhoon. I have it down to 3.75ghz right now since i really dont need any higher for my 9800gtx.

http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=almostkw3.jpg


As for bottlenecking, im sure it will not. The e5200 is actually the same, as the e8400, e7300, e8500, e7200, etc but with a reduced cache size, which in gaming is a small impact, while in benchmarks its a noticeable diff. The e5200 is a very awesome cpu for the price.

Edit, the pic is me trying to break 16k in 3dmark06, my ram is kinda dull in overclocking, so im sure i could of easly hit 17k with full blown video card/ram ocing ;). Not bad for a 260 combo (Cpu/Ram/Mobo).

Edit 2: As for those benchmarks, i really dont know, i recall seeing the e5200 compared to the e7300 or e8500 or something, and same clock, the e8**** or e7**** won by a few frames, dont recall which review it was, ill try finding in it in a sec.

Sorry for the edits, im just in love with this chip.
 
Casper312 said:
Edit 2: As for those benchmarks, i really dont know, i recall seeing the e5200 compared to the e7300 or e8500 or something, and same clock, the e8**** or e7**** won by a few frames, dont recall which review it was, ill try finding in it in a sec.
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Yeah I know about the cache thing but the thing that got me is the stock E8200 surpassing the E5200 @ 3.75GHz in all of those benchmarks...
Probably has to do something with a different test system...

The E8500 would win clock for clock due to more cache but C0 clock for clock E8x00 is faster than E0

Edit: Would you please post your FSB, multi, etc...
 
For single gpu gfx card (ie latest cards), a C2D @ 3.6GHz is easily enough for most games.
 
Right now @ 3.75ghz, 300x12.5, 1200 fsb, Ram @ stock 800 @ 4-4-4-12.

I upgraded from a 3800x2 939 to this, like it said, best 260 i spent, went from bearly getting 10k with the old rig to almost breaking 17k with some ram tweaking. Im upgrading to a Gtx 260 soon if everything goes well, So ill bookmark this and post the results when i get everything running.
 
So i went looking on other boards for 3dmark scores to compare to, one said 3637 for an e8400 @ 4.0ghz. While i scored 3669 @ 4.3ghz, so thats a decent example on the cache diff, well 3dmark06 wise anyways, ill keep looking for more, im actually interested how much the cache diff does.

Found some more.

3900 for an 8400 @ 4.3Ghz
3756 for an 8400 @ 4.1ghz

I understand it was strictly fps wise, but like i said, i would not surprised if the diff is about another 3-5 frames, but then again, ill kill for those extra frames in crysis to turn up af :p
 
You should wait until next month when the 55nm die shrink version comes which should be cheaper than the 65nm 216 version - January 09

What about your 4.3GHz overclock?
What's the voltage for the 3.75GHz?
 
tonyluu said:
You should wait until next month when the 55nm die shrink version comes which should be cheaper than the 65nm 216 version - January 09

What about your 4.3GHz overclock?
What's the voltage for the 3.75GHz?
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Prob will, i was actually thinking of just going all out on the gtx 295, but its an overkill for my 1680x10 greatness

As for 4.3ghz it was 350x12.5, which was a little bit over 4.3ghz fsb was around 1400 if i recall correctly. Voltage for 3.75ghz was 1.4v bios settings, which turns into 1.37v. like i said i got the oddball of the e5200 fam :(. Some e5200 do 4.0ghz under 1.45V, while mine needs 1.5V bios setting, Which is the reason i keep mine at 3.75ghz, when the time comes that i need to bump it over that, im a be on the move to upgrade to quad road :p
 
Eh, I wouldn't upgrade unless you like are in need of a performance increase that your 4GHz dualie can't handle

Thanks for the info Casper, much help ;)
 
Zero82z said:
That's what happens when their only competitor falls asleep behind the wheel.
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hey guys athlon 64 x2 is amazing, just take a year off KK, intel cant possibly come back by then.

3 months later OH FUCK.
 
Sojuuk said:
hey guys athlon 64 x2 is amazing, just take a year off KK, intel cant possibly come back by then.

3 months later OH FUCK.
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Try three years, not one. The Core 2 series was released in 2006, whereas the first A64 chips were released in 2003. It's baffling that AMD gave Intel that much time while barely even starting to develop a new chip of their own.
tonyluu said:
Can't wait for the E5400 coming in January, wonder how high that baby can go
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Probably no higher than the E5200 or E5300. It's the same CPU, just with a higher multiplier. It probably won't even be binned differently.
 
Zero82z said:
Try three years, not one. The Core 2 series was released in 2006, whereas the first A64 chips were released in 2003. It's baffling that AMD gave Intel that much time while barely even starting to develop a new chip of their own.

Probably no higher than the E5200 or E5300. It's the same CPU, just with a higher multiplier. It probably won't even be binned differently.
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+1, I do agree that paying under 100 bucks for a chip that does 4.0ghz without a sweat is rather impressive, and fits in the lifestyle of a good number of intels customers meaning those who just game and the cache diff would not be a big factor for them.
 
tonyluu said:
I was flabbergasted E5200 @ 3.75GHz < E8200 stock?! makes no sense
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Hmmm...I am looking at those benchmarks right now, and they all show the E5200 @ 3.75 outperforming the E8200 at stock. With both at stock, the E8200 beats the E5200, but not by a lot.

(And now for a little Cliff Clavin moment:

According to modern psychology, regardless of benchmarks, when it comes to human Sensation and Perception, you need a 15% or better difference to be noticeable.

Extrapolating from the benchmarks and governed by this fact, the E5200 is clearly the winner. Overclocked, it may not seem faster, but it is, and it certainly costs less. At stock, the playability decline is only barely noticeable, and it still costs less.)

And did I mention that it costs less? :)

I just ordered an E5200 with a coupon discount from BUY.COM, which puts it slightly less than Newegg, and in the price range of the E2200 without discount. I'll be using it to replace an overclocked E2160 in my HTPC so that I can game a bit on the big screen, a 52" Toshiba LCD TV. I just subbed a 7600GT with a 9800GT, so as soon as it's done, I expect to see a noticeable diff in detail and choppiness when playing Blu-Ray and HD-DVD disks as well.
 
I hear nasty rumors about FSB walls on the E5200.
Can anyone who has this chip confirm how far they've taken it?
 
My old e5200 does 380, at 384 it locks up while benching. I do not understand why peoples reason for staying away from the chip is fsb walls. Like i said, my old e5200 did 380 fsb stable under 200 ibt runs, 380*10=3.80ghz, 1519/20 fsb. 3.8ghz was enough for me at the time. Thats a 92% fsb overclock. The chip itself did 4750ghz overclock on dry ice @ 1.65V. Temps on cold air (It was around 22F here in chicago) were 2C @ those clocks. It actually survived the overclock, i can not say the same for my buddies e8400.


For a 80 dollar chip that overclocks/performs close to its higher costing brothers, what more can you want? To be honest, if i had the extra cash i would drop the money for a E8000 series cpu (E8600 to be exact, Gotta love 4.6ghz+ on reg air). Other than that, bah to em and bring on the overclocking champ e5200.
 
Casper312 said:
My old e5200 does 380, at 384 it locks up while benching. I do not understand why peoples reason for staying away from the chip is fsb walls. Like i said, my old e5200 did 380 fsb stable under 200 ibt runs, 380*10=3.80ghz, 1519/20 fsb. 3.8ghz was enough for me at the time. Thats a 92% fsb overclock. The chip itself did 4750ghz overclock on dry ice @ 1.65V. Temps on cold air (It was around 22F here in chicago) were 2C @ those clocks. It actually survived the overclock, i can not say the same for my buddies e8400.


For a 80 dollar chip that overclocks/performs close to its higher costing brothers, what more can you want? To be honest, if i had the extra cash i would drop the money for a E8000 series cpu (E8600 to be exact, Gotta love 4.6ghz+ on reg air). Other than that, bah to em and bring on the overclocking champ e5200.
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Right now I need to buy a cpu. WOuld you say buy e5200 and OC it to 3.6GHz or buy e8400?
I need it for games. Not 24/7 run, for that I have K45:)
I don't kno what to do here - E5200 costs 65, e7300 90 and e8400 150 pounds.
I will buy i7 in next 10 month probably. Is it worth to buy e8400 or better e7300, or even e5200? I have gtx280 and 2GB ram...
 
If your gonna be upgrading later this year, and for your uses, the e5200 might do you well, 3.6ghz is a very easy thing to do on a e5200, keep in mind overclocking is based on luck, but im sure 3.6ghz would be an easy thing to do for even the worst stepping e5200.

I put the old e5200 to do some benchies on gta 4, and left it in there with my gtx 260 for a few days (i ran out of as mx-2) and the performance might of been under my Q9550 but everything played more than good. I kinda wish my buddies e8400 survived the suicide runs to compare em clock for clock in gaming.

Like i said, If money is a problem go for the e5200, if your overclocking and sort of in a budget, the e5200 is for you. Like i said, looking back, i would never buy a e8400/e7200/e7300 over my experience from the e5200. Maybe the e8600 but thats another story (and price) :)
 
phinix said:
Right now I need to buy a cpu. WOuld you say buy e5200 and OC it to 3.6GHz or buy e8400?
I need it for games. Not 24/7 run, for that I have K45:)
I don't kno what to do here - E5200 costs 65, e7300 90 and e8400 150 pounds.
I will buy i7 in next 10 month probably. Is it worth to buy e8400 or better e7300, or even e5200? I have gtx280 and 2GB ram...
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E5200
 
i just picked up one of these along with the GIGABYTE GA-E7AUM-DS2H LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail. , and OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR10664GK .

The e5200 is a friggin steal. for $240(AR) i got a kickass system that i will be migrating later this spring to a HTPC. im gonna o/c the shit out of this chip when i get it this week, see what i can get out of it. unfortunately, ill be on stock cooling for the first week, but it'll be underwater come next monday.
 
You should be able to do 3.2ghz easy on stock cooler if you use diff thermal paste, other than the crap it comes with.

Another e5200 owner on here is 4.0ghz on stock cooling, and just took off the fan and put a 120mm on it.

I just looked at the board you got. Might want to look up some reviews on it and see how it does in overclocking, dont want your board holding you back ;)
 
Casper312 said:
You should be able to do 3.2ghz easy on stock cooler if you use diff thermal paste, other than the crap it comes with.

Another e5200 owner on here is 4.0ghz on stock cooling, and just took off the fan and put a 120mm on it.
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nice...i have some as5 and ceramique. i was hoping to hit at least 3.2ghz with the stock cooling and then try for 4ghz once my 775 bracket comes for my apogee gt block. i just hope i dont get stuck with a dud chip. ive been reading the gigabyte board ive ordered does very well for o/cing considering is mATX. ill be coming from a 939 system so im hoping to see a huuge difference. my 8800gtx wont be bottlenecked nemore! woot.

i think the e5200 is the chip to get right now for budget builds, no doubt. and as long as u have a decent gfx card i think the e5200 will have a decent lifetime for gaming purposes.
 
Haste266 do you plan on using anyother cpu cooler than the stock. I'm getting that same mobo and i'm a bit concern about space... i'm looking into getting an artic cooler 92 mm http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

Oh also, you do know that your getting 1066 ram when that mobo will downgrade it to 800 right?

Otherwise i'm blding a rig very similar to that ... except is gonna be my main gaming rig ;) ... for now i'll run it with my 8800 gs but eventually i plan on getting a gtx2800. Hopefully it wont be too cpu or bandwidth limited.

mini p180 case with
GIGABYTE GA-E7AUM-DS2H
OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB but 800 with 4-4-4-15
I'm thinking on going with a E7300 <-- how come you guys talk so great about the e5200 even though its a dual core and not core 2 duo ?
 
Dacdac said:
...Oh also, you do know that your getting 1066 ram when that mobo will downgrade it to 800 right?
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When running at stock, the motherboard wont limit the clock speed of the ram, the FSB of the CPU will.
The memory can be sped up by changing the memory multiplier (speed rating) or increasing the FSB, so the memory wont be limited to 800MHz if the op so chooses.
 
He should be able to overclock it to 1066 if thats the case. :cool:

I got my old trusty e5200 back today, and guess what, my buddy decided to lap it as a gift to me (even though i will not use it unless i build another small comp). He told me @ 4.0ghz @ 1.47V on his v8, temps never went higher than 43C during intel runs :cool:

Also, haste make sure to keep us (well me) on how your rig does when it comes :D
 
I just ordered a E5200 myself to play around with. I'm excited now. Hopefully I'll have some good results.
 
Remember to post your results here! Also do some fsb tests to see whats the highest you get :cool:
 
I noticed my Opteron 165 goes for about $80 on Ebay, and the Wolfdale E5200 is $75 from Newegg. That'd be quite a step up right? (I just got a GTX 260).

Also my OCZ DDR 2GB goes for $50 on Ebay, and DDR2-1066 goes for like $35 new. Damn, crazy.
 
Varmint said:
I noticed my Opteron 165 goes for about $80 on Ebay, and the Wolfdale E5200 is $75 from Newegg. That'd be quite a step up right? (I just got a GTX 260).

Also my OCZ DDR 2GB goes for $50 on Ebay, and DDR2-1066 goes for like $35 new. Damn, crazy.
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looks like i need to put my parts up on ebay!

too bad the fees SUCK!
 
I'd like to try my luck with a E5200 for a cheap rig but which mobo should I choose?
cost is a big issue...I don't want to pay twice as much for the mobo when the cpu costs like 70$
Is there a cheap mobo that overclocks well with the E5200? hopefully around 70-80$US :confused:
Also, should I buy DDR2 800mhz 4-4-4-12 or 1000mhz/ 1066mhz ?
 
I think the Gigabyte P43 or P45 boards go as low as $80.

I'm thinking of doing that - getting a board, CPU and RAM and swapping them into my PC, then ebay the old stuff.

I couldn't get the Opteron past 2.5GHz on stock cooling, but not sure I know what I'm doing. I did get a Zalman cooler but was too lazy to try that.
 
I'd use this cooler over the AC Freezer 7 only because it's significantly cheaper

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150082

I run my E5200 at 3.6Ghz on a mATX G45 board. I don't know about the highest FSB I can get as the board won't let me adjust from the stock 12.5 multiplier, but I had it up around 4Ghz with 1.4V or so and that cooler. For $80, I can't complain.
 
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