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I think requiring 2FA in the FS/FT section would be more beneficial....to all types of transactions.There shouldn't be allowed posts with payments in crypto if there's no way to protect buyer/seller in a transaction. This should be a rule to marketplace.
F&F is allowed and there's no protection on that. Don't do your due diligence you get burned sometimes. OP was probably so hot to get those GPUs first he skipped all checks.There shouldn't be allowed posts with payments in crypto if there's no way to protect buyer/seller in a transaction. This should be a rule to marketplace.
I won't blame the OP too much, let's not rub salt over someone's wounds, the fact that both heatware and H accounts were hacked made this easy to fall for. I suspect the actual user's email got hacked and related accounts compromised. 700 for a FHR 3070 is mighty generous in this market but not totally implausible if someone is looking to make a quick sale and not deal with ebay and the like. You can use a cc for FF if you have doubts and file a charge back, yes your pp account may be suspended but there is atleast some recourse.F&F is allowed and there's no protection on that. Don't do your due diligence you get burned sometimes. OP was probably so hot to get those GPUs first he skipped all checks.
Eh, it's like the constant scam they pull on ebay with listing X GPU for several 100s below the going rate. People keep falling for it for some reason...I won't blame the OP too much let's not rub salt over someone's wounds, the fact that both heatware and H accounts were hacked made this easy to fall for. I suspect the actual user's email got hacked and related accounts compromised. 700 for a FHR 3070 is mighty generous in this market but not totally implausible if someone is looking to make a quick sale and not deal with ebay and the like. You can use a cc for FF if you have doubts and file a charge back, yes your pp account may be suspended but there atleast some recourse.
"Seller" was a long-time [H] member (16 years) with incredible Heat (1082) and relatively recent transactions. Also able to communicate over both [H] and Heatware. Sure I could have questioned more - and I obviously should have - but you could also say that the user who lost control of his accounts must not have practiced good security practices, reused passwords etc etc.F&F is allowed and there's no protection on that. Don't do your due diligence you get burned sometimes. OP was probably so hot to get those GPUs first he skipped all checks.
FrgMstr He is asking how to get in touch here as the email on his account has been changed and he can’t get in.To be clear, the user's password was compromised somehow, however it has nothing to do with HardForum, we are still secure.
Yes, 2FA had been an option for years. We are looking into requiring this for FSFT currently, but I am not sure if that is feasible on a per subforum basis at this moment.
This was my first thought honestly.tons of people reuse passwords for years and use them on all sites.
The concern being though would be that now somebody has figured out "oh crap, these computer forums are great places to use these leaked credentials from _____ breach years ago and if I can gain access to even a single account I can walk away with $2k-$50k in cyrpto". Let's face it if my account with ~64 positive Heatware posted today "I have non LHR 3080's for $1100 a piece but you have to pay via ethereum to ___ address" I would probably get 20 PM's right away all ready to send it. The only meaningful rule change I can even think to combat this is that you must post 'ygpm' or similar when sending a seller a PM so at least others know they're not the first in line.This was my first thought honestly.
Don't pay with methods that don't have recourse for scammers. Problem solved. Might as well be sending cash through the mail.The concern being though would be that now somebody has figured out "oh crap, these computer forums are great places to use these leaked credentials from _____ breach years ago and if I can gain access to even a single account I can walk away with $2k-$50k in cyrpto". Let's face it if my account with ~64 positive Heatware posted today "I have non LHR 3080's for $1100 a piece but you have to pay via ethereum to ___ address" I would probably get 20 PM's right away all ready to send it. The only meaningful rule change I can even think to combat this is that you must post 'ygpm' or similar when sending a seller a PM so at least others know they're not the first in line.
I just changed my password to a super secure randomly generated Lastpass one and made sure 2FA was on my account. Hopefully others all do the same. What a messed up situation and hopefully it's an isolated incident, but the other post at Anandtech makes me think we should be cautious.
One of the main benefits to selling stuff through here is getting your money without Paypal fees, Ebay fees, etc. I've always paid Paypal G&S if the person didn't have a lot of Heatware or I was at all sketched out(and I always include an extra ~3% to cover the G&S fee as a courtesy). I've been buying and selling stuff through forums for 20 years and never had an issue just by being cautious, but this is a new angle of scamming.Don't pay with methods that don't have recourse for scammers. Problem solved. Might as well be sending cash through the mail.
I'm really sorry to hear that. For what it's worth - don't feel like an idiot. It definitely sucks, but I nearly fell for the same scam and I consider myself pretty savvy on buying / selling /etc. Had I gotten to that 3070 post this morning before anybody else I probably would have sent the crypto. High feedback trader, long standing user, etc. The crypto only is kind of a red flag, but plenty of legit users here have also requested only crypto. My thought this morning was "darn I missed it by 20 minutes" not "oh those guys for sure got scammed"i also fell for this and ended up sending him two $700 bitcoin payments. i should have realized something but i took for granted his record and his past postings and his heatware and he said i could contact him on either heat or here. and i have had such great sellers and buyers on here for years i just thought that this was another normal transaction. i feel like an idiot
I too almost fell for it but the 'phone is broken so can't send pic/serial till noon' and '7 people in line already' made me walk away, the language used was all over the place too, grammatically speaking. Feel bad for the folks at AT too though the place has some serious moderation issues.One of the main benefits to selling stuff through here is getting your money without Paypal fees, Ebay fees, etc. I've always paid Paypal G&S if the person didn't have a lot of Heatware or I was at all sketched out(and I always include an extra ~3% to cover the G&S fee as a courtesy). I've been buying and selling stuff through forums for 20 years and never had an issue just by being cautious, but this is a new angle of scamming.
I'm really sorry to hear that. For what it's worth - don't feel like an idiot. It definitely sucks, but I nearly fell for the same scam and I consider myself pretty savvy on buying / selling /etc. Had I gotten to that 3070 post this morning before anybody else I probably would have sent the crypto. High feedback trader, long standing user, etc. The crypto only is kind of a red flag, but plenty of legit users here have also requested only crypto. My thought this morning was "darn I missed it by 20 minutes" not "oh those guys for sure got scammed"
I never got that far as to PMI too almost fell for it but the 'phone is broken so can't send pic/serial till noon' and '7 people in line already' made me walk away, the language used was all over the place too, grammatically speaking. Feel bad for the folks at AT but given the double standards of some mods there, hard to feel too sorry...
So... Don't use Paypal F&F like EVERYBODY here asks for then?Don't pay with methods that don't have recourse for scammers. Problem solved. Might as well be sending cash through the mail.
Thanks for posting. I feel a bit better just knowing I am not alone in this. So sorry you got screwed like me.i also fell for this and ended up sending him two $700 bitcoin payments. i should have realized something but i took for granted his record and his past postings and his heatware and he said i could contact him on either heat or here. and i have had such great sellers and buyers on here for years i just thought that this was another normal transaction. i feel like an idiot
Not to sound rude, but 64 positive isn’t enough for me to send $1100 blindly to ANYONE without a call or some other follow up to ensure things are on the up and up. Hell, ask dbwillis whom I’ve dealt with many many times how often I’ll ask questions back and forth when it’s over $100! I guess I’m just overly tight with money.The concern being though would be that now somebody has figured out "oh crap, these computer forums are great places to use these leaked credentials from _____ breach years ago and if I can gain access to even a single account I can walk away with $2k-$50k in cyrpto". Let's face it if my account with ~64 positive Heatware posted today "I have non LHR 3080's for $1100 a piece but you have to pay via ethereum to ___ address" I would probably get 20 PM's right away all ready to send it. The only meaningful rule change I can even think to combat this is that you must post 'ygpm' or similar when sending a seller a PM so at least others know they're not the first in line.
I just changed my password to a super secure randomly generated Lastpass one and made sure 2FA was on my account. Hopefully others all do the same. What a messed up situation and hopefully it's an isolated incident, but the other post at Anandtech makes me think we should be cautious.
You're more cautious than most. My user account here has been around since 2013(though, it should be something more like 2004 but I got lost in one of the forum upgrades). My same user account has been on other popular forums since 2004 or earlier. My Heatware is consistent back to 2004 including a ton of recent stuff. It's not fluff stuff, most of my recent transactions are high value PC parts like EPYC CPU's and high end GPU's. I'm active on this forum and others. Anybody doing a cursory look would think I'm legit. I'm confident that if my account got breached it could do some damage, so that is extra motivation to do everything I can to make sure my account is safe.Not to sound rude, but 64 positive isn’t enough for me to send $1100 blindly to ANYONE without a call or some other follow up to ensure things are on the up and up. Hell, ask dbwillis whom I’ve dealt with many many times how often I’ll ask questions back and forth when it’s over $100! I guess I’m just overly tight with money.
Just to clarify the seller from the incident today had 1082 positive heat and was a member for 15 years.Not to sound rude, but 64 positive isn’t enough for me to send $1100 blindly to ANYONE without a call or some other follow up to ensure things are on the up and up. Hell, ask dbwillis whom I’ve dealt with many many times how often I’ll ask questions back and forth when it’s over $100! I guess I’m just overly tight with money.