Dragon Age™: The Veilguard

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We thank whoever that individual is for whatever contributions he/she/they/it made to one of the greatest games released in 2024!
 
We thank whoever that individual is for whatever contributions he/she/they/it made to one of the greatest games released in 2024!
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Good riddance indeed. However, the dude probably opted to resign rather than get canned. The fact of the matter is that BioWare has only one game in development and that's Mass Effect 5. While they've moved some of the rank and file people from Dragon Age to Mass Effect, there is no need for a project lead on a game that is no longer in development. BioWare is unlikely to do any further significant patching on Dragon Age the Veilguard and there are no DLC's coming for it. It's effectively EOL at this point. Mass Effect 5 already has a lead and thus, Corinne Busche is completely redundant.

For further context, the rumor is that BioWare Edmonton is being shuttered before the next EA quarterly earnings call. Beyond that, BioWare handed Star Wars the Old Republic off to another developer so BioWare Austin is no longer working on content for that. Some former SWTOR developers have moved to the other company and are no longer with BioWare either. Again, BioWare has one game in development and that's Mass Effect 5. I think EA is going to shutter BioWare completely unless ME5 breaks records and starts printing serious money for EA.
We thank whoever that individual is for whatever contributions he/she/they/it made to one of the greatest games released in 2024!
You loved the game. We get it. But Corinne Busche utterly failed in his job. Dragon Age the Veilguard was supposed to sell 10 million copies and has only sold somewhere around 1.5 million copies. It didn't make enough money to recoup its development costs much less earn a profit.

As for Dragon Age the Veilguard being one of the greatest games released in 2024? It doesn't even break the top 10. Games that don't make money are by definition the polar opposite of "great."
 
You loved the game. We get it. But Corinne Busche utterly failed in his job. Dragon Age the Veilguard was supposed to sell 10 million copies and has only sold somewhere around 1.5 million copies. It didn't make enough money to recoup its development costs much less earn a profit.

As for Dragon Age the Veilguard being one of the greatest games released in 2024? It doesn't even break the top 10. Games that don't make money are by definition the polar opposite of "great."

Do you have any sense of humor at all?
 
For further context, the rumor is that BioWare Edmonton is being shuttered before the next EA quarterly earnings call.

I believe that is the Bioware. The original studio behind their good games. Most of the people are long gone, but if the close that studio, Bioware will only be Bioware in name only.
 
I believe that is the Bioware. The original studio behind their good games. Most of the people are long gone, but if the close that studio, Bioware will only be Bioware in name only.
BioWare is already Bioware in name only. Almost no one that made the great games BioWare is known for are still with the company today.
 
Meh, old BioWare is being over-rated. People tend to put on rose coloured glasses when they look back.
 
I believe that is the Bioware. The original studio behind their good games. Most of the people are long gone, but if the close that studio, Bioware will only be Bioware in name only.
BioWare is already Bioware in name only. Almost no one that made the great games BioWare is known for are still with the company today.

yup, its just a skin suit worn by woke idiots now.


Meh, old BioWare is being over-rated. People tend to put on rose coloured glasses when they look back.
stop trolling.
 
Stop telling me to stop trolling when all I’m doing is disagreeing with you.

I’m not even disagreeing with you. I’m literally just posting my own opinions.
 
I understand that many people like Dragon Age and Mass Effect and that's cool but in my opinion Bioware was dead the moment EA bought them. KOTOR was the last game Bioware made that was a true Bioware game. Baldur's Gate 2 was the last game Bioware made that was truly legendary. After EA bought them they continued to make popular games but once the doctors quit, that was it. EA's BS had finally destroyed these guys from the inside out. Anyone who thought Bioware's story would be any different than Westwood's or any other developer that got purchased and gutted for their IP's is in denial.
 
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I understand that many people like Dragon Age and Mass Effect and that's cool but in my opinion Bioware was dead the moment EA bought them. KOTOR was the last game Bioware made that was a true Bioware game. Baldur's Gate 2 was the last game Bioware made that was truly legendary. After EA bought them they continued to make popular games but once the doctors quit, that was it. EA's BS had finally destroyed these guys from the inside out. Anyone who thought Biowar's story would be any deferent than Westwood's or any other developer that got purchased and gutted for their IP's is in denial.
The original Mass Effect was basically finished before EA bought BioWare as the acquisition occurred a month prior to the game's launch. EA really didn't have time to interfere with it by that point. Secondly, Mass Effect and Dragon Age were still produced by the same people that had been making games at BioWare prior to the buyout. Sure, you could see interference from EA in ME2, but it was still a great game. By the time ME3 rolled around I'd agree it was a problem. That's why we got such a shitty ending (game was rushed out the door) and why the "From Ashes DLC" was treated as a DLC when it was clearly cut content from the game as it was integral to the story.

And no, I don't think that there was any doubt EA would run the studio into the ground.
 
why are you in all these threads talking non-stop about DEI etc when you have zero interest in buying these games?

It’s simple.

Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.

And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming. There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.

There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.
 
It’s simple.

Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.

And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming. There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.

There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.
I mean, the game failed, so instead of pretending it didn't and making up reasons why it was somehow good, we are discussing why it is a failure.
 
I mean, the game failed, so instead of pretending it didn't and making up reasons why it was somehow good, we are discussing why it is a failure.
According to Hershy's asinine logic anyone, including long time Bioware/Dragon Age fans, who pointed out glaring issues and raised warranted criticisms of Cringeguard are just haters. The fact that it spectacularly failed and will lead to Bioware being shuttered is purely coincidence 🤪🙄🤣
 
According to Hershy's asinine logic anyone, including long time Bioware/Dragon Age fans, who pointed out glaring issues and raised warranted criticisms of Cringeguard are just haters. The fact that it spectacularly failed and will lead to Bioware being shuttered is purely coincidence 🤪🙄🤣

Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.

I never said otherwise.

Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
 
Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.

I never said otherwise.

Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
LoL, you were LITERALLY crying across multiple posts that any person not playing the game should not be posting their opinions! You are such a pathological liar it actually beggars belief that you have the gaul to post such disingenuous nonsense.
 
Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.

exactly...nothing wrong with criticizing gameplay, graphics etc...but the usual suspects don't have any clue what they're talking about...they use DEI as a reason why games failed when it has nothing to do with it...you actually played the game and stated that 99% of the dialogue and gameplay has no DEI elements at all...but the same folks that didn't play the game and watched a few YouTube videos about it are screaming that it's filled with DEI which is false

and when I point out multiple games that had DEI elements that were huge successes- Last of Us Part 2, Forbidden West etc they move the goalposts and say "well it wasn't as big as the previous games, so that's considered a failure"...lol
 
and when I point out multiple games that had DEI elements that were huge successes- Last of Us Part 2, Forbidden West etc they move the goalposts and say "well it wasn't as big as the previous games, so that's considered a failure"...lol
TLOU Part 2 sold 44% less than Part 1.
https://tech4gamers.com/the-last-of-us-2-less-copies-predecessor/

Forbidden West failed to meet sales expectations by a huge margin.
https://80.lv/articles/shuhei-yoshi...les-gap-between-horizon-zero-dawn-the-sequel/

Cope harder.
 
TLOU Part 2 sold 44% less than Part 1.
https://tech4gamers.com/the-last-of-us-2-less-copies-predecessor/

Forbidden West failed to meet sales expectations by a huge margin.
https://80.lv/articles/shuhei-yoshi...les-gap-between-horizon-zero-dawn-the-sequel/

Cope harder.

lol...yup the games were huge failures...quit while you're behind...take a look at this:

Best-selling video games in the United States in 2022
#4- God of War Ragnarok
#9- Horizon Forbidden West

Best-selling video games in the United States in 2020
#7- Last of Us: Part II
 
lol...yup the games were huge failures...quit while you're behind...take a look at this:

Best-selling video games in the United States in 2022
#4- God of War Ragnarok
#9- Horizon Forbidden West

Best-selling video games in the United States in 2020
#7- Last of Us: Part II
Quit gas lighting with your unsourced copium which completely fails to refute that they all sold significantly worse than their predecessors. Considering that development and marketing spends would have been significantly higher for all those sequels, you can be guaranteed none of them outperformed commercially.
 
lol...yup the games were huge failures...quit while you're behind...take a look at this:

Best-selling video games in the United States in 2022
#4- God of War Ragnarok
#9- Horizon Forbidden West

Best-selling video games in the United States in 2020
#7- Last of Us: Part II

Its worth noting TLOU Remaster sold better than TLOU 2. If it was consumer fatigue for survival/post apocalyptic/zombie games it would have effected TLOU Remaster as well.
 
Time to cut through the BS once again.
It’s simple.

Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.
Not a single person complaining about DEI or just how bad some of the games of 2024 have been hate gaming. A lot of the AAA games released in 2024 are simply not what gamers want. This is backed up by sales and concurrent/all time player data. You equate people disliking a game that you like as "hating gaming". There is absolutely no reason to do this unless you are narcissistic enough to believe that your opinion represents the majority (or that it should) and that everyone who doesn't share your opinions is wrong. Thus, can only be "haters." Your opinions are not facts. Lets just get that out of the way. You can like a game all you want but if it sold poorly and has poor concurrent player counts, it's not a popular game.

The only reason a game sells poorly or doesn't have a solid player base comes down to the game not being what players want and or being a bad game. You not sharing this viewpoint doesn't invalidate it for the majority.
And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming.
This is ironic because the only people who seem to hate gamers are the developers putting out crappy AAA games. To pile on even further irony, these same developers and publishers cry when gamers don't want their low quality, garbage games. They especially don't like games that virtue signal or lecture them on how they should think and feel about a given topic. The entertainment industry should learn to stay in its fucking lane.

Game publishers and developers also need to get rid of this: "Us vs. Them" mentality that's so prevalent these days. Gamers are your customers and if you expect them to buy or consume your product, then you need to give them what they want. It's literally business 101.
There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.
That's not it at all. I couldn't care less that you think that Dragon Age the Veilguard is a 10 out of 10 game. Simply put, your opinions and viewpoints do not matter that much to anyone. What we don't like is your constant gaslighting and false claims that a game doesn't contain wokeness, bad dialog, or repetitive combat when we link videos of said game showing indisputable proof that the game does in fact contain these things. You argue with people who have different viewpoints as if they are fighting against cold hard facts. That's what's frustrating.
There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.
Well, we met back on Tuesday just before Dragon Age was released and decided that all dissenting viewpoints must be vanquished. :rolleyes: I can't speak for anyone else, but I've not talked to anyone in private messages about driving anyone out of anything or even to discuss this topic. There is no "banding together" as far as I know. The reason Dragon Age the Veilguard didn't sell well is because people are either apathetic to it or don't like it. The vocal people that disagree with you are passionate gamers that are upset with what this (and other games released this past year) turned out to be. Look at the numbers. There are very few people who agree with you on this topic. Meaning you are in the minority when it comes to your feelings on this game. (Hence why it didn't sell well.) Everyone else on this forum either agrees (generally speaking) with those of us who think this game was bad or doesn't care enough about it to engage on the topic at all.

When your opinions are in the minority, then it stands to reason yours isn't the prevailing opinion. If you were a well adjusted and mature person, you could acknowledge that your opinion isn't the norm and move on. For example, the original Deus Ex is a classic game loved by most people that played it. I think the game was absolutely fucking terrible. I hated just about everything about the damn thing. I though the graphics and gameplay sucked, even for the time. You should see the hate I get anytime I say something like that. It is because my opinion isn't the norm and I recognize that fact. I simply take the heat for it and go on. Why? Because I don't care. I simply didn't like it for whatever reason.

Another example, I enjoyed the Force Unleashed II. I've played through it probably a dozen times. Most people will tell you that its worse than the first game in just about every way imaginable. Graphics aside anyway. It's story is a mundane step backwards from the first one. (It's literally about a guy trying to find his girlfriend.) It's shorter, has repetitive copy/paste level design and shows clear signs of being absolutely rushed to release. Yet, I prefer it to the original for its general gameplay improvements. I'm in the minority of people who enjoyed it more than the first one. Yet, I can recognize the game's faults and acknowledge the reason why most people didn't like it.

Instead of acknowledging people's reasoning for why they didn't enjoy this game, you'd rather gaslight everyone and lie about the game and what it does or doesn't have in it than acknowledge any other viewpoint. This is why you get so much flak. It has nothing to do with the fact you like the game. I can't speak for anyone else but I couldn't give two squirts of piss about you liking the game. What I don't like is the gas lighting, crying to mods and you all but attacking people who disagree with you. No on here hates gaming or hates people expressing their love of gaming of whatever it was you said.
Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.
I could accept that if you didn't literally argue against these viewpoints and do things like pretend content isn't in the game that clearly is. Also, its worth pointing out that some criticisms aren't necessarily a simply matter of personal opinion. I'm not speaking about Dragon Age in particular here, I'm simply stating that some criticisms of say a technical nature are objective and not subjective.
Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
You are moving the goal post. I don't believe anyone said the game was "wall to wall DEI." A game needn't contain wall to wall DEI in order to be rejected. I've previously stated that much of it seems constrained to the character of Taash. This would be less of an issue if the game would actually allow you to completely reject, kill or sell off companions like previous games did or like other games in the genre allow you to do. You know, the role playing part that Dragon Age the Veilguard lacks. This is one of the core differences between Baldur's Gate 3 and Dragon Age The Veilguard. You can easily sidestep or ignore all the "woke" crap in BG3 by rejecting certain companions or even by killing them.

As far as the anti-DEI brigade goes as you put it, you misunderstand as usual. The DEI crap has been completely and utterly rejected by the majority of the American public. Period. Movies, games and TV shows that contain this crap almost all flop. We have a decades worth of failed movies, TV shows, and games to prove it. This stuff has been rejected time and time again with disastrous financial consequences for entertainment studios. The amount of DEI that people tolerate in a product (which is what any movie or game is) has probably diminished over the years as people grow more tired of it and feel emboldened to speak out against it. People are no longer worried about being ostracized for doing so. I won't get into the politics of all that other than to say, that's how things are going right now.

People are sick of it and their disdain for it has only increased the more we've been bombarded with it. Enough is enough. The DEI in Mass Effect Andromeda isn't that bad by modern standards and in truth is probably closer to Dragon Age the Veilguard than something like Dustborn or Concord. However, Dragon Age concentrates it in an almost universally hated character and storyline. To be clear, Dragon Age's market failure isn't all about DEI. It has other issues that you won't acknowledge either. Such as tone, art style, etc. I think that if Andromeda came out today, it would absolutely fail just as hard as Dragon Age. As it is, the game didn't meet expectations though it was financially profitable according to EA's quarterly earnings calls. Back then it had the BioWare name and Mass Effect IP behind it which is why it succeeded to the degree it did.

We were aware of all the DEI nonsense that was in the game ahead of time because it was already an issue in the industry. It just wasn't called DEI as the term hadn't been coined yet. Anita Sarkeesian reportedly consulted on the game. She's cut from the same cloth as SBI and Kim Bellaire. Some people rejected the game outright because of this stuff but not to the same degree I think it would be rejected today.
 
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Its worth noting TLOU Remaster sold better than TLOU 2. If it was consumer fatigue for survival/post apocalyptic/zombie games it would have effected TLOU Remaster as well.
Yeah the stratagy changed when people started looking for indicators that the product was compromised by activism. They then started making good games to draw people in and then infect it with a sequel or DLC to own the chuds. Started happening in TV shows as well. If they made a TLOU 3 it would sell worse than the second installment. Half of the sales from TLOU 2 were insta-buys from fans of the first game. It's much easier to take an established IP and ruin it so that is what they typically do but they are starting to run out of IP's to ruin.
 
Quit gas lighting with your unsourced copium which completely fails to refute that they all sold significantly worse than their predecessors. Considering that development and marketing spends would have been significantly higher for all those sequels, you can be guaranteed none of them outperformed commercially.

lol...where did I say that the games in question outsold their predecessors?...can you link my posts where I said that?...you love using the word gaslighting but I don't think you know what it means...every time you get totally refuted with facts you don't know what to do so you revert to the same thing..."stop gaslighting"

a game selling less than the previous game in the series doesn't mean the sequel is a failure...it just means it sold less...plus a lot of the original games were massive blockbusters...selling less doesn't mean anything when you're still in the Top 10 games of the year...I already know your response..."stop gaslighting" :ROFLMAO:
 
exactly...nothing wrong with criticizing gameplay, graphics etc...but the usual suspects don't have any clue what they're talking about...they use DEI as a reason why games failed when it has nothing to do with it...you actually played the game and stated that 99% of the dialogue and gameplay has no DEI elements at all...but the same folks that didn't play the game and watched a few YouTube videos about it are screaming that it's filled with DEI which is false

and when I point out multiple games that had DEI elements that were huge successes- Last of Us Part 2, Forbidden West etc they move the goalposts and say "well it wasn't as big as the previous games, so that's considered a failure"...lol
Again, this is just more deflection and denial. Everything you’ve said has already been addressed ... multiple times. Your complete inability to comprehend anything anyone says to you is beyond baffling. The failure of Veilguard isn’t because of DEI alone. It’s because the writing, dialogue, and story are garbage, the game barely resembles its predecessors (which upset many Dragon Age fans, such as myself), and the developers actively alienated their core audience. DEI is just the icing on the cake of terrible decisions that made the game feel like a hollow shell of what the game used to be.

Calling people "the usual suspects" over and over again just because they disagree with you is lazy and stupid. It’s an incredibly weak attempt to undermine legitimate criticism without having to actually engage with it. Not everyone who points out the flaws in a game is part of some imaginary group of conspirators. Some of us simply expect better from beloved franchises. Throwing around labels doesn’t make your argument any stronger. It just shows how unwilling you are to actually address the points being made and how incapable you are having having a healthy, intelligent discussion about ... well ... literally anything.

This really isn’t a difficult concept. Games fail when they prioritize agenda-pushing over quality storytelling, gameplay, and respect for gamers. You can keep pretending otherwise, but it doesn’t change the reality that Veilguard flopped because it was a poorly written, unrecognizable trash heap that actively turned off fans of the franchise. That's it. Period.
 
The failure of Veilguard isn’t because of DEI alone. It’s because the writing, dialogue, and story are garbage, the game barely resembles its predecessors (which upset many Dragon Age fans, such as myself)...

that's what I've been saying all along...not just with Veilguard but any game that doesn't sell well or is poorly received...nowhere did I say that Veilguard was an amazing game...stop bringing DEI into every discussion and using that as an excuse
 
lol...where did I say that the games in question outsold their predecessors?...can you link my posts where I said that?...you love using the word gaslighting but I don't think you know what it means...every time you get totally refuted with facts you don't know what to do so you revert to the same thing..."stop gaslighting"

a game selling less than the previous game in the series doesn't mean the sequel is a failure...it just means it sold less...
What facts? I didn't recall you saying anything about these woke games outselling their predecessors but I don't recall you providing any facts either. I've been reading your posts. If I've missed some fact that supports your position, then I apologize. Please do enlighten me if I missed something.

If a game sells 15 to 20 million copies and it's sequel sells 10 million against a budget of 300 million dollars then one can definitely say the sequel was financially successful. That is not really in dispute. However, that sequel was obviously not as successful as it's predecessor. When a sequel sells 33% to 50% fewer copies than the original one has to wonder why. Video games aren't like movies in that their sequels usually out perform the previous entry in the series. There are cases where this doesn't happen, but its usually easy to figure out why a sequel under performed.
plus a lot of the original games were massive blockbusters...selling less doesn't mean anything when you're still in the Top 10 games of the year...I already know your response..."stop gaslighting" :ROFLMAO:
It absolutely does.

Using Dragon Age as an example:
Dragon Age Origins - 3.2 million copies
Dragon Age II - 2 million copies
Dragon Age III - 10-12 million copies (depending on the source.)
Dragon Age IV - *Estimated to be somewhere around 1.5 million copies.

*Note: BioWare only stated that it sold more than a million copies. If it had sold north of 2 million copies they'd have said so. Therefore, we know it didn't sell that many. We also know that it had a budget of around 250 million dollars and thus, needed to sell well north of 4.1 million copies to break even. That means that BioWare would have to sell around 4.5-5 million copies to make a profit.

We know exactly why Dragon Age II sold less than its predecessor. It was a worse game. Quality was lower as it was rushed. It featured copy and paste dungeons and other things. It also didn't review as well. We damn well know why Dragon Age The Veilguard didn't do as well as its predecessors. Outside of the access media, reviews were mixed to poor. Reports from players who actually played it were mixed at best. Not to mention the memes and videos highlighting the worst aspects of the game turned people off to it. Sticking with our BioWare example: The Mass Effect games generally sold better up until Andromeda, which sold fewer copies than ME3. It's the same thing with ME:A compared to Mass Effect 3. Plus, it had the controversy of being woke before we even had a term for it.

Getting to our non-BioWare examples. The Last of Us 2 was mired in controversy and sold 10 million copies compared to The Last of Us which sold 30 million units. God of War Ragnarok was financially successful but sold 8 million copies less than its predecessor. Alan Wake II sold only 1.8 million copies against a 70 million dollar budget. Alan Wake 1 sold around 3.2 million copies. When you have a drop off of 33-50% or more compared to the previous game, you have a problem. Sure, those games made money but they didn't make as much money as the publishers and developers expected them to.
 
We know exactly why Dragon Age II sold less than its predecessor. It was a worse game. Quality was lower as it was rushed. It featured copy and paste dungeons and other things. It also didn't review as well. We damn well know why Dragon Age The Veilguard didn't do as well as its predecessors. Outside of the access media, reviews were mixed to poor. Reports from players who actually played it were mixed at best. Not to mention the memes and videos highlighting the worst aspects of the game turned people off to it. Sticking with our BioWare example: The Mass Effect games generally sold better up until Andromeda, which sold fewer copies than ME3. It's the same thing with ME:A compared to Mass Effect 3. Plus, it had the controversy of being woke before we even had a term for it

I never said that Veilguard was an excellent game...my point has always been that selling less than the previous game does not necessarily mean the game in question is a failure...if that were the case there would be no interest in Horizon Zero Dawn 3 or Last of Us: Part 3 or the inevitable God of War Ragnarok sequel...too many of the usual suspects here exaggerate everything..."Forbidden West selling less means it was a failure and because of DEI"...No...FW sold less because the gameplay, story and characters weren't as good as Zero Dawn

DEI is insignificant except for the usual YouTuber's and rabblerousers who use it as an excuse to go on their usual rants based off their own prejudice's and/or biases
 
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I never said that Veilguard was an excellent game...my point has always been that selling less than the previous game does not mean the game in question is a failure...if that were the case there would be no interest in Horizon Zero Dawn 3 or Last of Us: Part 3 or the inevitable God of War Ragnarok sequel...too many of the usual suspects here exaggerate everything..."Forbidden West selling less means it was a failure and because of DEI"...No...FW sold less because the gameplay, story and characters weren't as good as Zero Dawn
There are indeed many reasons why a sequel might sell less than its predecessors. However, as I've pointed out that's not often the case. With franchises that don't feature annual installments the sequels usually do better than their predecessors in terms of copies sold.
DEI is insignificant except for the usual YouTuber's and rabblerousers who use it as an excuse to go on their usual rants based off their own prejudice's and/or biases
This is a flat out fucking lie. Gamers and even the general American public have rejected DEI wholesale. How many examples of this do you need before you can accept that? Also, you are guilty of doing the same thing as these out of touch developers by stating that people who have an issue with DEI are prejudiced or biased. There are plenty of reasons to reject that nonsense. That doesn't mean that you are an "ist or a phobe" by doing so.
 
The DEI discussion needs to DIE immediately.
Then stop bringing it up or referring to anyone that thinks this game is bad as "the anti-DEI brigade." Here are two of your posts where you brought up DEI because you seem to think its the only criticism anyone can have for this game while flat out denying that the game even has DEI/Wokeness in it. I've brought up numerous criticisms of the game that have nothing to do with DEI and you ignore those the same as you do any criticisms that do involve DEI.
It’s simple.

Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.

And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming. There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.

There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.

Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.

I never said otherwise.

Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
 
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