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We thank whoever that individual is for whatever contributions he/she/they/it made to one of the greatest games released in 2024!
Good riddance indeed. However, the dude probably opted to resign rather than get canned. The fact of the matter is that BioWare has only one game in development and that's Mass Effect 5. While they've moved some of the rank and file people from Dragon Age to Mass Effect, there is no need for a project lead on a game that is no longer in development. BioWare is unlikely to do any further significant patching on Dragon Age the Veilguard and there are no DLC's coming for it. It's effectively EOL at this point. Mass Effect 5 already has a lead and thus, Corinne Busche is completely redundant.
You loved the game. We get it. But Corinne Busche utterly failed in his job. Dragon Age the Veilguard was supposed to sell 10 million copies and has only sold somewhere around 1.5 million copies. It didn't make enough money to recoup its development costs much less earn a profit.We thank whoever that individual is for whatever contributions he/she/they/it made to one of the greatest games released in 2024!
You loved the game. We get it. But Corinne Busche utterly failed in his job. Dragon Age the Veilguard was supposed to sell 10 million copies and has only sold somewhere around 1.5 million copies. It didn't make enough money to recoup its development costs much less earn a profit.
As for Dragon Age the Veilguard being one of the greatest games released in 2024? It doesn't even break the top 10. Games that don't make money are by definition the polar opposite of "great."
For further context, the rumor is that BioWare Edmonton is being shuttered before the next EA quarterly earnings call.
BioWare is already Bioware in name only. Almost no one that made the great games BioWare is known for are still with the company today.I believe that is the Bioware. The original studio behind their good games. Most of the people are long gone, but if the close that studio, Bioware will only be Bioware in name only.
I believe that is the Bioware. The original studio behind their good games. Most of the people are long gone, but if the close that studio, Bioware will only be Bioware in name only.
BioWare is already Bioware in name only. Almost no one that made the great games BioWare is known for are still with the company today.
stop trolling.Meh, old BioWare is being over-rated. People tend to put on rose coloured glasses when they look back.
You know exactly what you're doing.Stop telling me to stop trolling when all I’m doing is disagreeing with you.
I’m not even disagreeing with you. I’m literally just posting my own opinions.
now in the kingdom thread too...
The original Mass Effect was basically finished before EA bought BioWare as the acquisition occurred a month prior to the game's launch. EA really didn't have time to interfere with it by that point. Secondly, Mass Effect and Dragon Age were still produced by the same people that had been making games at BioWare prior to the buyout. Sure, you could see interference from EA in ME2, but it was still a great game. By the time ME3 rolled around I'd agree it was a problem. That's why we got such a shitty ending (game was rushed out the door) and why the "From Ashes DLC" was treated as a DLC when it was clearly cut content from the game as it was integral to the story.I understand that many people like Dragon Age and Mass Effect and that's cool but in my opinion Bioware was dead the moment EA bought them. KOTOR was the last game Bioware made that was a true Bioware game. Baldur's Gate 2 was the last game Bioware made that was truly legendary. After EA bought them they continued to make popular games but once the doctors quit, that was it. EA's BS had finally destroyed these guys from the inside out. Anyone who thought Biowar's story would be any deferent than Westwood's or any other developer that got purchased and gutted for their IP's is in denial.
why are you in all these threads talking non-stop about DEI etc when you have zero interest in buying these games?
I mean, the game failed, so instead of pretending it didn't and making up reasons why it was somehow good, we are discussing why it is a failure.It’s simple.
Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.
And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming. There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.
There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.
According to Hershy's asinine logic anyone, including long time Bioware/Dragon Age fans, who pointed out glaring issues and raised warranted criticisms of Cringeguard are just haters. The fact that it spectacularly failed and will lead to Bioware being shuttered is purely coincidenceI mean, the game failed, so instead of pretending it didn't and making up reasons why it was somehow good, we are discussing why it is a failure.
According to Hershy's asinine logic anyone, including long time Bioware/Dragon Age fans, who pointed out glaring issues and raised warranted criticisms of Cringeguard are just haters. The fact that it spectacularly failed and will lead to Bioware being shuttered is purely coincidence![]()
LoL, you were LITERALLY crying across multiple posts that any person not playing the game should not be posting their opinions! You are such a pathological liar it actually beggars belief that you have the gaul to post such disingenuous nonsense.Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.
I never said otherwise.
Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
TLOU Part 2 sold 44% less than Part 1.and when I point out multiple games that had DEI elements that were huge successes- Last of Us Part 2, Forbidden West etc they move the goalposts and say "well it wasn't as big as the previous games, so that's considered a failure"...lol
TLOU Part 2 sold 44% less than Part 1.
https://tech4gamers.com/the-last-of-us-2-less-copies-predecessor/
Forbidden West failed to meet sales expectations by a huge margin.
https://80.lv/articles/shuhei-yoshi...les-gap-between-horizon-zero-dawn-the-sequel/
Cope harder.
Quit gas lighting with your unsourced copium which completely fails to refute that they all sold significantly worse than their predecessors. Considering that development and marketing spends would have been significantly higher for all those sequels, you can be guaranteed none of them outperformed commercially.lol...yup the games were huge failures...quit while you're behind...take a look at this:
Best-selling video games in the United States in 2022
#4- God of War Ragnarok
#9- Horizon Forbidden West
Best-selling video games in the United States in 2020
#7- Last of Us: Part II
lol...yup the games were huge failures...quit while you're behind...take a look at this:
Best-selling video games in the United States in 2022
#4- God of War Ragnarok
#9- Horizon Forbidden West
Best-selling video games in the United States in 2020
#7- Last of Us: Part II
Its worth noting TLOU Remaster sold better than TLOU 2
Not a single person complaining about DEI or just how bad some of the games of 2024 have been hate gaming. A lot of the AAA games released in 2024 are simply not what gamers want. This is backed up by sales and concurrent/all time player data. You equate people disliking a game that you like as "hating gaming". There is absolutely no reason to do this unless you are narcissistic enough to believe that your opinion represents the majority (or that it should) and that everyone who doesn't share your opinions is wrong. Thus, can only be "haters." Your opinions are not facts. Lets just get that out of the way. You can like a game all you want but if it sold poorly and has poor concurrent player counts, it's not a popular game.It’s simple.
Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.
This is ironic because the only people who seem to hate gamers are the developers putting out crappy AAA games. To pile on even further irony, these same developers and publishers cry when gamers don't want their low quality, garbage games. They especially don't like games that virtue signal or lecture them on how they should think and feel about a given topic. The entertainment industry should learn to stay in its fucking lane.And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming.
That's not it at all. I couldn't care less that you think that Dragon Age the Veilguard is a 10 out of 10 game. Simply put, your opinions and viewpoints do not matter that much to anyone. What we don't like is your constant gaslighting and false claims that a game doesn't contain wokeness, bad dialog, or repetitive combat when we link videos of said game showing indisputable proof that the game does in fact contain these things. You argue with people who have different viewpoints as if they are fighting against cold hard facts. That's what's frustrating.There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.
Well, we met back on Tuesday just before Dragon Age was released and decided that all dissenting viewpoints must be vanquished.There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.
I could accept that if you didn't literally argue against these viewpoints and do things like pretend content isn't in the game that clearly is. Also, its worth pointing out that some criticisms aren't necessarily a simply matter of personal opinion. I'm not speaking about Dragon Age in particular here, I'm simply stating that some criticisms of say a technical nature are objective and not subjective.Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.
You are moving the goal post. I don't believe anyone said the game was "wall to wall DEI." A game needn't contain wall to wall DEI in order to be rejected. I've previously stated that much of it seems constrained to the character of Taash. This would be less of an issue if the game would actually allow you to completely reject, kill or sell off companions like previous games did or like other games in the genre allow you to do. You know, the role playing part that Dragon Age the Veilguard lacks. This is one of the core differences between Baldur's Gate 3 and Dragon Age The Veilguard. You can easily sidestep or ignore all the "woke" crap in BG3 by rejecting certain companions or even by killing them.Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.
Yeah the stratagy changed when people started looking for indicators that the product was compromised by activism. They then started making good games to draw people in and then infect it with a sequel or DLC to own the chuds. Started happening in TV shows as well. If they made a TLOU 3 it would sell worse than the second installment. Half of the sales from TLOU 2 were insta-buys from fans of the first game. It's much easier to take an established IP and ruin it so that is what they typically do but they are starting to run out of IP's to ruin.Its worth noting TLOU Remaster sold better than TLOU 2. If it was consumer fatigue for survival/post apocalyptic/zombie games it would have effected TLOU Remaster as well.
Quit gas lighting with your unsourced copium which completely fails to refute that they all sold significantly worse than their predecessors. Considering that development and marketing spends would have been significantly higher for all those sequels, you can be guaranteed none of them outperformed commercially.
Again, this is just more deflection and denial. Everything you’ve said has already been addressed ... multiple times. Your complete inability to comprehend anything anyone says to you is beyond baffling. The failure of Veilguard isn’t because of DEI alone. It’s because the writing, dialogue, and story are garbage, the game barely resembles its predecessors (which upset many Dragon Age fans, such as myself), and the developers actively alienated their core audience. DEI is just the icing on the cake of terrible decisions that made the game feel like a hollow shell of what the game used to be.exactly...nothing wrong with criticizing gameplay, graphics etc...but the usual suspects don't have any clue what they're talking about...they use DEI as a reason why games failed when it has nothing to do with it...you actually played the game and stated that 99% of the dialogue and gameplay has no DEI elements at all...but the same folks that didn't play the game and watched a few YouTube videos about it are screaming that it's filled with DEI which is false
and when I point out multiple games that had DEI elements that were huge successes- Last of Us Part 2, Forbidden West etc they move the goalposts and say "well it wasn't as big as the previous games, so that's considered a failure"...lol
The failure of Veilguard isn’t because of DEI alone. It’s because the writing, dialogue, and story are garbage, the game barely resembles its predecessors (which upset many Dragon Age fans, such as myself)...
What facts? I didn't recall you saying anything about these woke games outselling their predecessors but I don't recall you providing any facts either. I've been reading your posts. If I've missed some fact that supports your position, then I apologize. Please do enlighten me if I missed something.lol...where did I say that the games in question outsold their predecessors?...can you link my posts where I said that?...you love using the word gaslighting but I don't think you know what it means...every time you get totally refuted with facts you don't know what to do so you revert to the same thing..."stop gaslighting"
a game selling less than the previous game in the series doesn't mean the sequel is a failure...it just means it sold less...
It absolutely does.plus a lot of the original games were massive blockbusters...selling less doesn't mean anything when you're still in the Top 10 games of the year...I already know your response..."stop gaslighting"![]()
We know exactly why Dragon Age II sold less than its predecessor. It was a worse game. Quality was lower as it was rushed. It featured copy and paste dungeons and other things. It also didn't review as well. We damn well know why Dragon Age The Veilguard didn't do as well as its predecessors. Outside of the access media, reviews were mixed to poor. Reports from players who actually played it were mixed at best. Not to mention the memes and videos highlighting the worst aspects of the game turned people off to it. Sticking with our BioWare example: The Mass Effect games generally sold better up until Andromeda, which sold fewer copies than ME3. It's the same thing with ME:A compared to Mass Effect 3. Plus, it had the controversy of being woke before we even had a term for it
There are indeed many reasons why a sequel might sell less than its predecessors. However, as I've pointed out that's not often the case. With franchises that don't feature annual installments the sequels usually do better than their predecessors in terms of copies sold.I never said that Veilguard was an excellent game...my point has always been that selling less than the previous game does not mean the game in question is a failure...if that were the case there would be no interest in Horizon Zero Dawn 3 or Last of Us: Part 3 or the inevitable God of War Ragnarok sequel...too many of the usual suspects here exaggerate everything..."Forbidden West selling less means it was a failure and because of DEI"...No...FW sold less because the gameplay, story and characters weren't as good as Zero Dawn
This is a flat out fucking lie. Gamers and even the general American public have rejected DEI wholesale. How many examples of this do you need before you can accept that? Also, you are guilty of doing the same thing as these out of touch developers by stating that people who have an issue with DEI are prejudiced or biased. There are plenty of reasons to reject that nonsense. That doesn't mean that you are an "ist or a phobe" by doing so.DEI is insignificant except for the usual YouTuber's and rabblerousers who use it as an excuse to go on their usual rants based off their own prejudice's and/or biases
Then stop bringing it up or referring to anyone that thinks this game is bad as "the anti-DEI brigade." Here are two of your posts where you brought up DEI because you seem to think its the only criticism anyone can have for this game while flat out denying that the game even has DEI/Wokeness in it. I've brought up numerous criticisms of the game that have nothing to do with DEI and you ignore those the same as you do any criticisms that do involve DEI.The DEI discussion needs to DIE immediately.
It’s simple.
Hating games, for some people, has now become the actual hobby. Not gaming. But hating gaming.
And not just hating gaming… but hating gamers who love gaming and like to express their love of gaming. There’s NOTHING that makes these people angrier than someone who posts how much love they have for a certain game.
There are about six people in this section of the forum who clearly have banded together and are trying to drive out anyone who goes against their narrative of hate.
Nope. All criticisms against a game, when they’re just personal opinions, are valid.
I never said otherwise.
Just don’t lie about certain games being wall to wall DEI, when they’re not, as a form of argument. The anti- DEI brigade is clearly using DEI as a weapon to smear games that they detest… or even just to smear games, period, because they love doing it so much.