Do all non-Apple iOS apps work if disconnected from Apple ID?

[2GK2LGLZ2E]

I am a privacy-oriented person and prefer Android with GrapheneOS, but if I were to get an iPhone, would I be able to disconnect and/or remove Apple ID (just from iPhone) after I download all the iOS apps and still have them work? Apps relying on Apple ID obviously wouldn't work without being logged into Apple ID, but I care for apps like ProtonMail, Signal, Safari, WireGuard. ProtonMail, for example, relies on either Google Play Services or Apple Services to deliver live email notifications. Would ProtonMail notifications work if disconnected from Apple ID? Signal does the same if it finds such services, but if not, then it uses its own service to deliver notifications.

 

[the_servicer]

I couldn't quite tell from your post if you need apps to be updated in the absence of an Apple ID.

 

[bobsuncledan]

You cant sign out of your apple ID on the phone, only change it. It isn't a PC.

 

[Shoganai]

Yes, you can download the apps you need and then sign out of your Apple ID, but I genuinely don't see the point of that. Apple is very adamant about privacy on the iPhone. It's not at all a parallel to being on Android. I again don't see the point of using an iPhone if you aren't going to use iPhone-specific features such as iMessage and whatnot. You can absolutely use an iPhone this way, but if you're paranoid about privacy, then just stick to GrapheneOS. You'll have far more granular control over your privacy and you can install fully functioning apps from third-party stores. I'm not sure how notifications will be affected by not using an Apple ID as some apps rely on Apple's services to receive notifications. If you want to update your apps, you'll need to sign back into your Apple ID to do so.

You cant sign out of your apple ID on the phone, only change it. It isn't a PC.

This is completely incorrect.

 

[toast0]

Signal does the same if it finds such services, but if not, then it uses its own service to deliver notifications

I don't know if you can get apple push without logging in with Apple ID; I don't remember ever hearing about iOS users without push though.

But if Apple push doesn't work, you're not getting timely messages unless the app is running. There's no way to keep a background connection open like (some) apps do on Android if Google push isn't available / doesn't work. At best, they could do a scheduled check, but Apple limits background execution so much, your messages will be very late.

I don't think you need a google account signed in to get google push, but you do need play services.

 

[2GK2LGLZ2E]

Apple Push is a big privacy issue. Apple themselves published transparency reports on how they were requested to provide and provided push notification information ("cookies") to track people. The same applied to Google Push notificaitons.

I only care for Signal and Tutanota Email notifcations. I'd appreciate if someone with Signal and/or Tutanota Email can log out of their Apple ID on their iPhone and see if they continue to receive notifications.

I prefer Android with GrapheneOS for privacy and security, but they now become more and more locked out by banking apps and even Authy due to being a custom OS.

 

[Mchart]

Apple Push is a big privacy issue. Apple themselves published transparency reports on how they were requested to provide and provided push notification information ("cookies") to track people. The same applied to Google Push notificaitons.

I only care for Signal and Tutanota Email notifcations. I'd appreciate if someone with Signal and/or Tutanota Email can log out of their Apple ID on their iPhone and see if they continue to receive notifications.

I prefer Android with GrapheneOS for privacy and security, but they now become more and more locked out by banking apps and even Authy due to being a custom OS.

If it’s an Apple owned service it’s not something where I care. I know they aren’t selling my data. This is mostly why I abandoned Google for everything to include email and migrated over to iCloud for virtually everything. Although I can see why someone would think graphene is better for privacy and it’s valid if you don’t want cloud service period.

Reality is that if you’re going to use an iPhone the best use of your own time is to just use all of Apple’s services. It’s more robust for privacy purposes, and the walled garden features like Apple AI work better because of it.