DMCA Used to Remove Ad Server URL from Blocklist

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  1. SolarisGuru

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    No good can come of this.
     
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  2. daglesj

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  3. umeng2002

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    This is so dumb. Just because your work is copyrighted, it doesn't mean you have the right to FORCE people to view it.
     
  4. EchoWars

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    Not really. Fix your spelling error and maybe.
     
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  5. w4ffles

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    That's stretching further than a team of Chinese contortionists.

    You can't edit copyrighted content and then redeliver it. Neither Easylist or adblock programs do this though.
     
  6. eldertru

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    I have no issues with any ads here. They are related to computer enthusiasts products and they don't screw up my computer. While I don't pay Patreon, I do make it a habit to click through and see what the advertisers are trying to sell.;)
     
  7. eldertru

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    Just curious to know, What is your ideal Ad experience?
     
  8. RealBeast

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    Actually, when they get slapped down in federal court for trying to stretch DMCA well beyond its actual purpose it will be a good thing. Sucks to be the guy to litigate it, but the outcome is all but a foregone conclusion.

    Oh, and hosts file blocking works great too.
     
  9. M76

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    This can be torn to pieces in any court of law. You're not changing the content at the source you're changing it locally for your own benefit. This is the same as newspaper clippings, you cut out the part that you're interested in and throw away the rest.
     
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    I've been using hosts/localhosts blocks for years. Let them try and stop me!
     
  11. Wolf_Tech

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    I only use ad blockers for the reason ads are not monitored by anyone. Some ads have virus's in them and malware. I have seen ads that are rasonware as well. I don't mind safe ads but if the advertising company does not monitor the ads at all them they should not be any in the first place.
     
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  12. Fluffy624

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    "Pretty sure it's $13 Billion, 468 Million, 984 Thousand, 515."

    That'll teach me to have non food breakfast. :D

    Still a ridiculous figure tho.
     
  13. Poseur

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    This just makes me install more ad blocking software. WAR! Someone please go violently protest Admiral's physical location. Wherever that is.
     
  14. MV75

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    Yea, all I see is a banner that flows next to the site label at the top. The actual annoyance is the notices that bring the first post down to the bottom / off the first page. Not ads.

    Thing is is that the sites have to monitor and report / regulate them. If the H wasn't over it, we'd have shit pushed through. Right now the ad companies can eat 12 dicks. The google initiative of blocking is to block the shit ads, not just block ads. But we'll see if that just creates a monopoly, cartel, or not.
     
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    Though unlikely, good can come from this. This will create a backlash, and we'll end up with laws that define DMCA better. And maybe courts will kill this.... One can dream.
     
  16. GreenOrbs

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    I'm not a laywer but I'm pretty sure that URL's and links are already determined to be fair use. In fact, the recently decided Perfect 10 v. Amazon (in Feb) specifically addresses this issue at least for the Ninth Circuit. URL's and reduced size thumbnails that were generated by mousing over the links or by image search were okay. The court specifically ruled that they hyperlinks were not copyright infringement and that even thumbnails were fair use. If you look at the reasoning, it is pretty clear that this DMCA situation is analogous to the Perfect 10 case and should not have been taken down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10,_Inc._v._Amazon.com,_Inc.
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/another-loss-perfect-10-another-good-day-copyright-law
     
  17. dgingeri

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    There's also that little matter of ads that block most of the screen or blare loud audio right away. I could do without those.
     
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    Honestly, I don't know about that. I mean, feature creep is pretty common in law.
     
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    Then the ad blocking companies would be crying monopolistic overreach by Google and be suing them. Sad f-ing state of affairs!
     
  20. Matrixfy

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    I saw a quote from a media representative that they actually did consider not watching the commercials to be stealing. At the time, they just couldn't do anything about it.

    Found it:

     
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  21. jedijeb13

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    This exactly!

    Especially on metered or mobile connections. If an ad causes you to exceed your data limit and cause a $20 fee, the advertiser must refund you the fee.

    Maybe that would be a good way to get ISPs to stop with data caps and limits, since they probably get some revenue from the ad companies also.
     
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    Moth£®Fu©k£®$
     
  23. mufcfan

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    This made me remember this picture:

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  24. xorbe

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    Heads up Firefox users: AdBlock Plus is going to die, and you'll all be using uBlock Origin very soon.
     
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  25. rive22

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    As a browser I hate ads. But if I was in the ad business I would want ad blockers abolished. Tough call. If ad blockers ever become abolished maybe I'll get in the game. :)
     
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  26. NeghVar

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    If this succeeds, could publishers of malware then sue the Internet Security software publishers? (AVG, Symantec, McAfee, etc.) I recall some common trojans that were bundled with a lot of installers were Bargain Buddy, Internet Optimizer, Virtual Bouncer, Xupiter, Cool Web Search, Elite Bar, and Winfixer. Could all the publishers of this malware now sue the security software industry and maybe even us, the users?
     
  27. zomby

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    ads is a pain in the butt anyway, I like to see a clean page, like google search page. A page fill of animated gifs and ads, ruins it, its a wasteland. Plus why would people spend that much money on a phone and then see a bunch of ads banner for each apps, that's annoying, thank goodness there is tools out there that blocks it. aww much better ;).
     
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    good luck with that approach. That's why we have adblock plug ins rather than ip lists like we used to. The lists got so damn long that it slowed shit down. No idea what the threshold would be today, but it's still probably sub optimal if you ahve to do all ad blocking that way.
     
  29. d50man

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    do this again with taylor swift, Ed Sheeran, or adele please
     
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    I don't think it is.

    If I, as an advertiser, pay for an add space on a site, and the site gets one million clicks, but my add doesn't get one million views, and I am paying the site owner to run my add, I'm not exactly maximizing my "bang for the buck" am I?

    Because the Ad has an intrinsic cost, and the value is link to the website's traffic, ad blockers do reduce the effectiveness of my advertising money. It's not the same thing as saying that my digital product was "stolen" x times.
     
  31. lcpiper

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    I know you will disagree, but I am thinking that they are going to win this because .... it's not about you. Not from their point of view, and possibly not from a Judge's.