Dell U3014 News

Anemone

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PLP (well the same concept really) would work if makers would build a Landscape based narrow monitor for "side use" alongside the main 30". It's not like the panels that size are all that expensive to build. Just need a maker with some motivation.

Of course you'd still have some driver issues with the different resolutions on the 3 different screens.
 

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Why would someone build a portrait monitor? Isn't that the point of the Portrait mode is to flip it 90 degrees?

I've seen some PLP setups running games in window mode to make it stretch. That's the only real problem I see - Just getting the game to scale correctly beyond 1 screen.
 

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Because if the monitor was wired to do in portrait mode what we want that would make it far easier to make drivers to work properly with the 20/30/20 size monitor array. It would be a simple change hardware-wise that would fix a world of complication on the software side.
 

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I wonder if this monitor will be as clear as Apple's displays minus the glossiness.
 

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I wonder if this monitor will be as clear as Apple's displays minus the glossiness.

It should be using the same coating as the 2713H and 2713HM.

Which is a very good thing. The coating is not noticeable at ALL while having anti reflective properties to make it usable in bright light.... Very much improved over the thick coating on the u2711/u3011. I can't wait to grab one (u3014, that is).
 

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He's saying you could do a pixel-doubled 1920x1080 ...

I had a 2560x1600 LCD and I tried 1280x800, it didn't look better than 1920x1200 on the same monitor because it was "pixel-doubled". 1920x1200 looked better.

Both still had that soft, non native resolution look.

So yes, you can run a high resolution LCD at lower resolution for games to improve performance but pixel doubled or not, it is still going to look soft and non-native.

Pixel doubling is just about irrelevant to the argument.
 

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Pixel doubling seems to produce a sharp picture on retina macbooks. I wonder why it didn't work in your case.
 

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Pixel doubling seems to produce a sharp picture on retina macbooks. I wonder why it didn't work in your case.

Because most Apps on Retina Macbooks aren't simply pixel doubled. There are three options:

1: Updated Retina Apps: These are all high res, not pixel doubled. Look amazing.

2: Framework scaled Apps: This is actually most apps. System resources like buttons are rendered in high res. But bitmaps will be scaled. Overall they tend to look sharp with occasional blurry elements.

3: Magnified Apps: These are a minority and are the only apps that are actually pixel doubled. These will look blurry, not sharp.

Simply running your monitor in low res, gives you #3, for everything.
 

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I had a 2560x1600 LCD and I tried 1280x800, it didn't look better than 1920x1200 on the same monitor because it was "pixel-doubled". 1920x1200 looked better.

Both still had that soft, non native resolution look.

So yes, you can run a high resolution LCD at lower resolution for games to improve performance but pixel doubled or not, it is still going to look soft and non-native.

Pixel doubling is just about irrelevant to the argument.

That's because at 30" current res pixels are actually easily seen with good eyes from normal viewing distance. If you double the pixel density, using pixel doubling on 4k at the same distance as a 2560x1600 would look roughly the same as native 2560x1600.
 

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That's because at 30" current res pixels are actually easily seen with good eyes from normal viewing distance. If you double the pixel density, using pixel doubling on 4k at the same distance as a 2560x1600 would look roughly the same as native 2560x1600.

Nope. People complain about about how blurry pixel doubled apps look on the Retina Macbook and it is 220 ppi.

A 30" 4K monitor would only be 147 ppi. Pixel doubled would still look like crap.

Also 4K in pixel doubled mode is 1920x1080, not 2560x1600, at best it would look like slightly blurry 1920x1080, not 2560.
 

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Nope. People complain about about how blurry pixel doubled apps look on the Retina Macbook and it is 220 ppi.

A 30" 4K monitor would only be 147 ppi. Pixel doubled would still look like crap.

Also 4K in pixel doubled mode is 1920x1080, not 2560x1600, at best it would look like slightly blurry 1920x1080, not 2560.

A 4k 30' equiv should be 4096 x 2160. Even pixel doubled that's still ~77 "ppi." At the same viewing distance as 2560x1600 you should be fine gaming at 2048 x 1080 pixel doubled You'd still have the ability to use native res in less demanding games/applications without having to shell out the $$ for a ridiculous SLI setup. I highly doubt it would be "blurry."

I'd rather use that than any native 1920x1080 setup, and I already run PLP with 1600p displays.
 

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A 4k 30' equiv should be 4096 x 2160. Even pixel doubled that's still ~77 "ppi." At the same viewing distance as 2560x1600 you should be fine gaming at 2048 x 1080 pixel doubled You'd still have the ability to use native res in less demanding games/applications without having to shell out the $$ for a ridiculous SLI setup. I highly doubt it would be "blurry."

Doubt whatever you want.

Even a native 30" 1080p monitor would be kind of crappy, it would only be worse if you are running a higher res monitor non native in that low resolution.

Running at half resolution is no magic bullet.
 

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Doubt whatever you want.

Even a native 30" 1080p monitor would be kind of crappy, it would only be worse if you are running a higher res monitor non native in that low resolution.

Running at half resolution is no magic bullet.

Claim whatever you want. I never said it was magic, just an option one would have given the scenario. My sincerest apologies for having a different opinion than you. :rolleyes:

Let's get the thread back on track. I look forward to seeing the price (especially after sale/coupon) of the U3014.
 

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The monitor is supposed to be available in February so we should have news any day now...
 

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I wonder if the recent news about dell being bought and focusing on enterprise customers will have any effect on the release of this screen ?
 

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TFT central posted a pic released (and then quickly removed) by Dell from dell.com on their twitter feed today. Can't be far away now :)
 

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I've been thinking about getting the 3011 but I guess I'll hold out for the 3014. any day now!
 

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I've been keeping tabs on this display for a while awaiting info. So hopefully sometime soon. My 2707 isnt enough anymore! haha A quick question while we wait... anyone with a previous 30" Dell may chime in with their sweet opinion... how are the 30" line's multiple input handling capability's? Can you switch between inputs relatively easily? Is there any PIP/PBP functionality? I use these quite a lot on my 2707 and i really hope they have added more functionality in this regard and not less!

If they've at least got the same level on the 3014 i'll jump aboard fairly early given good user experiences. :)
 

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I've been keeping tabs on this display for a while awaiting info. So hopefully sometime soon. My 2707 isnt enough anymore! haha A quick question while we wait... anyone with a previous 30" Dell may chime in with their sweet opinion... how are the 30" line's multiple input handling capability's? Can you switch between inputs relatively easily? Is there any PIP/PBP functionality? I use these quite a lot on my 2707 and i really hope they have added more functionality in this regard and not less!

If they've at least got the same level on the 3014 i'll jump aboard fairly early given good user experiences. :)


I have both the 3008 and 3011 and have no problem switching input. Its just a matter of going into the menu and selecting the correct input.
Both have great hardware scaler so we can put anything on them (ps3/xbox/tv etc..) without having ugly pictures due to bad scaling.
It would have been nice if it had some kind of auto detect to switch automatically to a signal if there is only 1 detected at a moment though.
I dont really like pbp so I haven't tried it.
My biggest problem with those screens at the moment is the huge amount of heat they generate.
I hope that the 3014 led panel will correct this issue.
 

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What's the benefit to having a smart card reader in your monitor? I've never owned or even seen an smart card in my life. As for resolution. I don't see the benefit of 4k resolution in a 30" monitor. On 38", yes... that would be awesome. But, it would be a waste on a 30" monitor.
I had a Lenovo laptop once with a 15" WUXGA screen 1920x1200. That's a stupid resolution for 15". It was cool for about a week then you went blind.

It's not like you can see the pixels on a 30" screen at 2560x1600 at a normal viewing distance. Hell I have a hard time seeing them from a foot away, and that's way too close to ever be a usable distance. So what's the point in driving more unseen pixels? I'm all for a 38" 4k display tho.

What and idiot
 

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What's the benefit to having a smart card reader in your monitor? I've never owned or even seen an smart card in my life..
Many corporations and federal agencies require the use of a smart card (i.e., an identification card) to gain access to a network. This is a security measure.

Most laptops now have built-in smart card readers, but many desktops do not. A built-in smart card reader eliminates the need for an external smart card reader to access a network. That's one less piece of clutter on the desktop.
 

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saw these:

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The MSRP isn't really indicative of the street price for Dell screens, consider the MSRP for the 2713HM is 849$. It sells for far less than that.

That said, don't expect to get a 30 incher for less than 1200-1300$ at release. If you want cheap, get a 27". Or wait for the price to lower over time - shouldn't be surprising, 2560x1600 monitors with 10 bit color output have never been for people who are bargain hunters/cheapskates. They're marketed to professionals, they're not marketed for cheap like catleaps are. So if you're counting on a 1000$ pricetag, better just forget it and look for something smaller - The only possible hope for a 1000$ pricetag is for a Black Friday special MAYBE, if you expect a cheap price on this screen outside of a holiday special you won't get it in all likelihood.

You can expect the price on this monitor to be 1250-1400$ street priced on amazon/newegg. It isn't for cheap, so if that is anyone's hope they should temper their expectations a bit.
 
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Not impressed at all. I bought two u2713hm's for just over $1100 and getting ready to add a third for relatively the same price as one of these will be.
 

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That price hasnt been confirmed by Dell from what I can tell so let's not jump the gun too much

Don't forget also the premium features (wide gamut, 10-bit panel, hardware calibration) make it more expensive than the U2713HM and so price is bound to be higher. 30" is still a relatively undeveloped and quiet sector as well, not being hammered by ultra cheap models like the 27" range is
 

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That price hasnt been confirmed by Dell from what I can tell so let's not jump the gun too much

It is confirmed. Engadget has the actual Dell PR text and it says:

"Dell UltraSharp U3014 is coming soon worldwide starting from USD$1499. "

That is quote of Dell PR text, not Engadget's.

But this is pretty much what most of us familiar with Dell monitors was expecting. This is top monitor in the large high resolution, professional monitor niche.

The price is completely reasonable.
 

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$1499 is simply unacceptable considering the amount of hassle one will inevitably have to deal with to get a unit without defects. Dell needs to step up its quality control to justify that price.
 

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$1499 is simply unacceptable considering the amount of hassle one will inevitably have to deal with to get a unit without defects. Dell needs to step up its quality control to justify that price.

It's a monitor designed for professionals and has 10 bit color output. Check again, 10 bit color output is not cheap, it is designed for video and photo editing professionals.

If you want cheap look elsewhere. Gotta laugh at anyone expecting a 30 inch 2560x1600 with 10 bit color output and premiercolor for 900 bucks. Get real.
 

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It's a monitor designed for professionals and has 10 bit color output. Check again, 10 bit color output is not cheap, it is designed for video and photo editing professionals.

If you want cheap look elsewhere. Gotta laugh at anyone expecting a 30 inch 2560x1600 with 10 bit color output and premiercolor for 900 bucks. Get real.

No, I expect that a monitor with that price tag should be without defects on the first try. If you look at Dell's track record, that is not the case anymore. A monitor with those specifications is certainly worth the price, but not worth the inevitable hassle.

They have discovered it is cheaper to have lax quality control because most people who receive defective units aren't likely to care or notice. For the few who do notice the issues, shipping out unlimited replacements is nothing compared to what it would cost to adopt a decent quality control standard.
 
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Given my experience with the U2713H, this once is going to be one big corner IPS glow 'fest'. Wonder if they at least fixed the compensator on this one.
 

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Given time the original $1500 price will drop some I would think. I wonder how long the 3011 will be availble? I'm guessing Dell will want to phase them out as soon as possible to get people to upgrade or just buy in. Wouldn't they?
 

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I think $1500 is not unreasonable for a 30" with all the features purported to be on the 3014. I'm just not willing to spend that much for it or any computer monitor. I'll most likely pick up a 3011 as its price goes down OR maybe snag a couple of 2713 monitors.
 
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