Dell P2414H vs P2314H

acti0n

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After reading the P2414H review at http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_p2414h.htm, I was wondering if the P2314H shares the same qualities (e.g. PWM-free).

There's a $50 difference in price between the 2, but the only apparent difference is 0.8" of screen size, which makes me wonder why both models exist and not just one.
 

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Lucky for you overclockers.ru have it in the queue since this video is up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgPbaPWyY90
They also did the 24" before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KwLFiDWdpI

Review page where you want to look for this coming review:
http://www.overclockers.ru/reviews/monitor/

As for the differences. Well.. I know that in the past 23" LG IPS panels were always a little bit behind the 24" (1200p) and 27" (1080 and 1440p) when it comes to pretty much all measurable parameters. Not sure if those small improvements are worth $50, though. Either it is really a better more costly panel or perhaps Dell is just doing some pricing tactics here and trying to keep the "fake" 24" close to the U2412M pricewise and swing a bit more turnover money.
 

acti0n

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The only difference I can seem to find is the % color gamut on Dell's website.

The P2414H has 86% color gamut listed, while the P2314H only has 83% color gamut.
 

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Hi guys, does anyone here own the P2414H? I bought the P2314H and find it very nice for "normal" uses (not editing photos professionally, for example). However, I use a Mac and found that the fonts aren't rendering properly. I posted a photo of the artifacts I was seeing over here. The stripe order is B-G-R on the P2314H.

So, I'm curious about whether the P2414H is also B-G-R. If it's R-G-B, that would be an important difference between these monitors, especially for someone running a multi-monitor setup (because ClearType can be configured for only one stripe order across all monitors).
 

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Hey, I own 2x P2414H on a GTX770.
1 on DVI, 1 on DisplayPort.
Spyder4 Pro says 94% sRGB coverage on both.

How can I easily find out if it's B-G-R?

Except for some ips glow I see nothing wrong with them. And I'm a pixel perfect designer.
 

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How can I easily find out if it's B-G-R?
See http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php. If you have a camera with Macro mode, use it to take a close-up high-resolution photo about 1" from the display. You'll be able to see the sub pixel order.

Note that the pixels on my monitor are all perfect. The issue is that the sub-pixels are not in the typical order, and OS X has a stupid hard-coded assumption built in about the layout. This OS X problem also causes really bad font rendering in portrait orientation on ANY monitor!

P2314H in normal right-side up orientation (B-G-R order)


P2314H mounted upside-down with R-G-B order
 
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BGR .. I'll be damned. Really no way to deal with it in OSX? .. as for windows users if you dont already know you can adjust for this in cleartype config.
 

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What's wrong with bgr? :cool:
Personally I think this monitor is perfect except for the normal ips glow.
 

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What's wrong with bgr?
Personally I think this monitor is perfect except for the normal ips glow.
Really no way to deal with it in OSX? .. as for windows users if you dont already know you can adjust for this in cleartype config.
I have no philosophical issue at all with BGR. I could hardly care less what the pixel ordering is, EXCEPT that ^!@&$% OS X cannot be configured to render fonts properly in the upright orientation. You can turn sub-pixel rendering completely off and use whole pixel antialiasing, but font quality is not as good. Basically

proper sub pixel rendering > whole pixel antialiasing > botched sub pixel rendering​

Other than that the P2314H is a terrific monitor for the price. Newegg had them on sale for $170 shipped and I had to grab one. The design is symmetric enough that from the front, I cannot tell a difference except the power button is in the upper-left, the OSD is rotated 90 degrees (because the alternative is upside down), and the Dell logo is in the center top upside down. I'm not sure I can justify paying return shipping and a restocking fee and then ordering the P2414H for $50 more just to fix that when I think OS X should be able to use it.

I don't know if you could call this a side benefit or not, but when it's mounted upside down, you can lean over the top and SEE the ports.

@CYB34, good enough--the P2414H is clearly RGB.

The Sharp 3840x2160 monitor that Apple sells on its own website is BGR according to one customer who reviewed it... and he turned his upside down too!

On a Windows machine, is it possible to have RGB on one monitor and BGR on another (such as a laptop plugging to a BGR external display)?
 

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I've taken it up with Dell. I probably won't hear anything but I'll post if I do.
 

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@etooey;
Any news regarding the BGR issue?

I collected some P2314H PPIDs with hope of identifying the different subpixel layouts, but it seems senseless. So far I have:

CN-0J8J31-74445-36P-DU6L, Jun 13, Rev A00 => RGB : overclockers.ru review
CN-07R1K3-74445-3AI-0925, Oct 13, Rev A00 => BGR: Dell forums BGR issue
CN-0J8J31-74445-3BI-649S, Nov 13, Rev A00 => BGR: Mine

The structure of Dell's PPIDs is as follows, with the name in square and length in normal brackets:
[Country](2)
[DellPartNumber](6)
[ManufacturingLocation](5)
[Year](1)[Month](1)[Day](1)
[SerialNumber](4)

The conclusion is, that different layouts are produced in the same location and that the same part number from Dell can be associated with different layouts. I guess it is better to just get another model instead of wasting your time to get an RGB replacement.
 

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i'm very disappointed about the P2314H, mine has a very annoying flaw, one side of the panel is darker and yellowish that the other and cannot be adjusted in any way, plus is got pronounced ghosting. avoid this monitor guys and go for Eizo Foris 2333-bk it has 3,5 ms response time and better build quality :/
 

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@etooey;
Any news regarding the BGR issue?
...
I guess it is better to just get another model instead of wasting your time to get an RGB replacement.
As soon as I realized that information would not be forthcoming from Dell, and an adjustment for the Mac did not exist, I sent it back, because I value my time more than Dell does. I suspect Dell has outsourced the engineering to China or India, because anyone who tests the product would see right away that the text looked like *ss without adjusting ClearType. I then tried the HP Z24i (which is not cheap) and had dead pixels and dark corners. I may go for a used Thunderbolt display next and pop the glass off.

i'm very disappointed about the P2314H, mine has a very annoying flaw, one side of the panel is darker and yellowish that the other and cannot be adjusted in any way, plus is got pronounced ghosting. avoid this monitor guys and go for Eizo Foris 2333-bk it has 3,5 ms response time and better build quality :/
Mine was a bit dark on one side also. This was my P2314h, rotated upside-down, so you can see the true left side of the panel was dark on mine too.

Overall I'm not at all impressed with these low-cost IPS monitors. The quality just isn't there.

 

63jax

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you're right these low cost IPS panels are pure crap. your sample looks exactly like mine, fuck...:/
i wonder what causes that dark patch over there, is it the panel itself, the coating, uneven lighting, what?
 

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Was rereading some reviews of PLS panels recently and spotted this under TFT Centrals review of Dell p2714h:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_p2714h.htm#office

Those pixel closeups looks like GBR pixel layout, correct?

What does this mean? Does Dell mount their panels upside down sometimes? Or is it a PLS feature .. or perhaps AD-PLS feature. In that case the P2314H with the GBR layout might have PLS panels.
 

etooey

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Those pixel closeups looks like GBR pixel layout, correct?

What does this mean? Does Dell mount their panels upside down sometimes? Or is it a PLS feature .. or perhaps AD-PLS feature. In that case the P2314H with the GBR layout might have PLS panels.
Thanks for pointing this out. Indeed it is BGR. Look at how strange the text looks. Looks like TFTCentral completely missed it and attributed it to the 1080p resolution (which doesn't help either). I just wrote to TFTCentral to give them the information.

Seriously doubt it's a feature, but perhaps the panels were designed with the LED strips on the opposite side and Dell wanted them in the same location for both panels they're using for more consistent cable routing on the manufacturing line...?

I can see right-side-up being important for a TN panel, where the up viewing angle differs from the downward viewing angle, but not with IPS.

This is pure speculation though.
 

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Ah. Goodie. Although its maybe a bit late to adjust the review. Its good for people who own a P2714H to know about this though. So that they can adjust cleartype etc accordingly.

Yesterday I had some thoughts that it might be some sort of firmware issue in the monitor that fools the OS to think its upside down and thus the font rendering would adjust to it. But then I found these closeup photos of pixel structure from overclockers.ru:
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/5686...r_i_testirovanie_monitora_Dell_P2714H.html#19
Looks like its definately BGR.

After considerations I think that mounting the panel upside down is also not an option. You probably want the LED array to sit at the bottom, always, because of heat and cooling issues.

I also looked up the panel model at panelook and its clearly specified as RGB. Weird indeed. If the case where that Dell had a special manufactured panel (for vertical viewing angle reasons possibly) then the model number would surely differ.

Now the question is if Samsung's 27" monitors also have BGR layout. Would be interesting to hear from someone that have a S27D590, S27D390 or similar to check this out.

Looks like a Samsung with 23.6" PLS panel have RGB lauout at least:
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/5478...stirovanie_monitora_Samsung_S24C570HL.html#19
 

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I'm new here and have been searching for a new monitor to replace my old HP 16:10 TN panel. I like what I've been reading about the p2314h/p2414h monitors. Currently I can pick up the p2314h for a considerable amount less than the p2414h, and it's practically the same size, so it makes little sense to me to spend the extra money.

However, I understand the 23" size has had issue with the GBR layout of the pixels. After a lot of reading, I found this comment on another site from a Dell rep:

"Early in the run, the P2314H and P2714H sold with both BGR (Samsung) and RGB (?) panels. Going forward, all are RGB. I do not have any information on how to identify which one you might have via serial number or revision.

Chris M"


This leads me to believe that newer runs will have the correct RGB layout, unless I'm unlucky and get old stock.

I do have a question though - the Dell rep mentioned that the GBR panel was by Samsung and the newer RGB was by "?". I thought the p2314h and p2414h were using Lg IPS panels? Am I wrong here about that? With the newer runs of the p2314h with the correct RGB layout, is that an LG IPS panel? It would be nice to know what kind of panel I would be getting if I buy the p2314h. Overclockers.ru says the p2314h uses an "AH-IPS panel of unknown model and modifications produced by LG Display".

Also - the p2314h lists 83% color gamut whereas the p2414h lists 86% - is that a big difference that will be noticeable to the average user? I'll be gaming, watching movies, viewing photos, etc, but nothing color critical. Is that a big difference in color? Strangely, overclockers.ru lists the color gamut of the p2314h as "sRGB - 86.6% and 88.2% after calibration". So I'm not sure if overclockers.ru is correct and maybe Dell incorrectly listed the color gamut maybe? Does anybody know?
 
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I've been looking at the Dell P2314H as well with some good deals on it lately. One other strange spec that jumped out about the P2314H compared to it's larger and smaller siblings: power consumption.

Here are the stated operational power consumption values for this line from Dell's own website:
P2214H: 26W (typical) / 42W (maximum)
P2314H: 20W (typical) / 38W (maximum)
P2414H: 28W (typical) / 45W (maximum)

Why does the 23" have a lower power consumption than even the 22" model? Of course, it's always possible that this is a typo, but it's published on several different Dell pages for the P2314H, not just the tech specs page, so I think it is in fact the correct value. It does seem to imply that the P2314H has a different kind of panel or some other difference in internal design than its siblings.

It's always a problem when manufacturers change the internal components of their devices significantly without any external signs, making it very difficult if not impossible for consumers to match what they got with what the review sites actually tested.
 
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