Dell 2709W

amcl

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Anyways, this is kind of what I mean of my panel.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1976/cream1920x1200lu3.jpg

When displayed on my 2709w, then photo taken on N95 phone in room with no lighting except monitor which is faced head on.

http://i37.tinypic.com/sl1rps.jpg

&

http://i38.tinypic.com/2itq2d2.jpg


The original pic is supposed to be a logo on a white background, on my screen it's not uniformly white. Its not blue at the edges either, I can't see the colour with my naked eye, only showed when taking picture. Though it does show that at the right edges and in the other places, the panel doens't seem to be uniform.

I dont' have a calibrator but this is my impression anyway.


You can probably remove some of that tint with a calibrator but not completely. I think this problem is inherent to VA panels. Even after hardware calibration, my monitor still lacks uniformity when displaying white backgrounds, although not as bad as when i tried to calibrate by eye. The reason is not the color but the viewing angle - you'll see less of a problem the further the monitor is away from you.
 

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Cameras are known for amplifying defects, but I just took some photos of mine, and it's not very similar. It looks like mine is a little darker on the right, but not sure without checking it with a calibrator for brightness level in comparison to middle.

This is the worst image I could come up with. I turned up the back light to 5 because the lower the backlight, the more that green "frame" shows up:

2942599113_0bf792c3fe_b.jpg


and the green tinting is a very slight remnant of that green "inter frame" more than anything, and it's only visibly obvious to me if I glance back and forth from the screen very quickly.

Other settings are as mentioned, contrast at 50%, R 91, G 90, B 89.

The Dell has a green interframe mentioned at the bottom of this page from www.prad.de which may explain some of the green tinting:

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2008/review-dell-2709w-part10.html
 

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I've gone through three 2709W's and they all have this pattern of non-uniformity with pink and green tint. Below is an underexposed picture of my current 2709W A01. (Monitor is at 0 brightness)

http://i36.tinypic.com/349cver.jpg
Nikon D70s at 1/60s F4
 

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hmm, it actually does look like most people's screens are darker on the right edge and bottom edge. though none of your pictures taken on camera showed a colour tint at the right edge.

Here is 2 more pictures of just my explorer windows. the blue/green/pink tint is nothing to do with the "cream" logo in previous pics as shown.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2u971c6.jpg

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http://i38.tinypic.com/1jszdg.jpg

To my naked eye, the right edge seem to be tinted pink and dirty but N95 camera shows it to be a blueish/greenish tint.

hmm, i think I will ring Dell UK to ask for an exchange cos I think there are screens with better uniformity than mine out there or at least less colour tinting. But it seems like no one has a "perfect" screen to at least the naked eye?

Just rang Dell UK which has offered to send me a new factory replacement monitor. But there could be a problem as the I wont' be able to get a refund on the replacement under 7day uk online return regulation. If my current monitor had a dead pixel now, even though it's not covered by Dell warranty, I can still return it within 7 days. When the new replacement arrives, if it has a dead pixel, I'm doomed as 7day return won't apply there
 
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any more info about the a01 revision , like less input lag ?


My 2709w test results*:

-No dead or stuck pixels
-Little back light bleed at the sides and corners, more so than A00 (More apparent at extreme angles)
-Light fall-off at extreme corners on bright backgrounds.
-Less pink tint on both sides than A00... although, still detectable
-Touch sensitive buttons work MUCH better than version A00. (I had to use my thumb on the previous version for consistency, whereas now, the buttons respond to my fingertips)

Results from Eye-One Display 2 calibrator:

-Native (standard color setting) Whitepoint is 6700K
-I used the RGB controls to get it to 6500K at 0 brightness or 160 cd/m2 (Still very bright)
-dE2000 average value after calibration is 0.62 (Probably would have been better had i not turned brightness all the way down because the most problematic were the super dark colors)

Now on to the results we've all been dying to know about... INPUT LAG:

-I get about 15-36ms or ~30ms average lag compared to an E248WFP TN panel. (A00 i tested had 60ms average)

I think this is VERY acceptable for my uses. No perceptible lag when i'm playing FPS video games like COD4. (I was able to feel the lag on version A00)


*The tests are by no means scientific and only applies to my monitor. Your monitor may vary.


thanks to amcl, but anyway I hope that somebody can do an input lag test with a crt on a rev01
 

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Just rang Dell UK which has offered to send me a new factory replacement monitor. But there could be a problem as the I wont' be able to get a refund on the replacement under 7day uk online return regulation. If my current monitor had a dead pixel now, even though it's not covered by Dell warranty, I can still return it within 7 days. When the new replacement arrives, if it has a dead pixel, I'm doomed as 7day return won't apply there
Worry not - the 7-day cancellation period under the DSR will restart from the time you receive the replacement. :)

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/general/oft698.pdf (check out paragraph 3.69)
 
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Got my Dell 2709W yesterday
I got a very good price on it, it was 6120SEK after the "normal" discount from the original price of 8220SEK but also with another 10% reduction on the price, inc free shipping so I only paid 5500SEK for it, very happy about that...

My previous monitor was a Eizo S2000 LCD, it has an A-MVA panel, before that I used highend Eizo CRT monitors...

My Dell 2709W is rev A01 manufactured October 2008 Week 40
The Dell has very noticeable lag compared to my Eizo LCD, I took a few pictures at it with my Canon 40D at 1/1000 and the average delay vs the Eizo LCD was a staggering 40ms, it was between 30>50ms in the pictures I took (The GFX card used during testing was a nVidia 8800GTS 512 and the monitors run in Clone Mode with 1920x1200 in resolution and the Eizo therefore panning)

But I could clearly feel the lag before I even took the pictures, I can feel the mouse pointer being unresponsive before it starts moving on the screen...
And just right now as I'm running in clone mode I can clearly see with my naked eye that the Dell is behind doing such a basic task as scrolling up and down when reading text on a forum...

As for gaming it is quite ok for slow paced games as Crysis for example, as I only have ca 25>30fps it's impossible to make any quick moves anyway, I did not find the lag distracting at all here (even running in Clone mode next to my Eizo)
However in Quake3 Arena the lag was obvious, not because I could see, feel or notice it but just because it was darn nigh impossible to hit my enemies with the rocket launcher dead on, I was always shooting besides them...
This was running in clone mode too, and when I looked at the Eizo instead when gaming I could easily score direct hits with the rocket launcher.
To give an idea, a Deathmatch on the Eizo on next hardest difficulty netted me 20/10 frags in my favour in Q3A
When I gamed on the Dell I had only managed 5/20 kills when the game was over... (And trust me I tested this long enough that it was statistically accurate, because I had not played Q3A in a very long time and it was damn fun to play again! Much to my neighbours dismay as the subwoofer rattled their Windows :p)

As for the colours, they are waaay off, the Dell is much too warm at default settings (Oh, and of course not at the default Brightness setting of 50, that requires you to wear welding glasses when looking at the monitor, but this is the same for all other LCD's AFAIK, I reduced the brightness to 15)
The problem is that at a brightness of 15 it takes the monitor more than 30 minutes to warm up, and before it has done this the whole display is too dark (the backlights are not giving out enough light)

As for uniformity my display looks quite good compared to others in this thread, I don't notice any pink in the corners etc, the right side might be a tad darker but it's not at all distracting for my eyes

I have ordered a Spyder 2 Express monitor calibrator, I think this will get the monitors colours up to par with the Eizo
Unfortunately AFAIK there is nothing to do about the lag, so the monitor will be given to my brother, unless he finds the lag unacceptable too (I will also take pictures of the monitor when it is at his place, compared to the CRT he has now, I don't think uploading the pics I have taken comparing it with my Eizo LCD are of much use... I don't know how much lag my Eizo has but since it's an LCD I doubt it is 0ms like a CRT)
 

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Can someone please explain to me how a hardware calibrator works.

I am interested in buying an Eye One Pro 2, but not sure if it will make a difference in the areas I want it to. I originally thought that with a hardware calibrator that the color profile created changes the colors of all applications running under Windows?

I then read that the color profile only works for applications that are 'color aware' such as Photoshop, Firefox three and others progs that are color aware. I don't actually use any of those programs so what I want to know is, Is it worth me buying the Eye One Pro 2? Can it make the colors in games, movies, windows desktop more accurate or does it not apply to these things?

I am looking at getting either this Dell 2709W or 2408WFP which I think are both wide gamut monitors so that is why I am looking at a hardware calibrator. If it can't help with getting the colors accurate in the areas I want I don't think I would like the over saturated colors and I guess I should start looking at standard gamut TN panels.
 

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Can someone please explain to me how a hardware calibrator works.

I am interested in buying an Eye One Pro 2, but not sure if it will make a difference in the areas I want it to. I originally thought that with a hardware calibrator that the color profile created changes the colors of all applications running under Windows?

The color profile will extend to most all windows applications with the exception of a few apps such as some games where, for example, you can adjust the gamma independently.

I then read that the color profile only works for applications that are 'color aware' such as Photoshop, Firefox three and others progs that are color aware. I don't actually use any of those programs so what I want to know is, Is it worth me buying the Eye One Pro 2?

I understand applications that are "color aware" to mean that it will take into account the windows color profile and adjust the output to a printer, having its own ICC, so the colors in the print matches what you see on the screen.

Can it make the colors in games, movies, windows desktop more accurate or does it not apply to these things?

I find that the default colors of my 2709W to be good enough for games and movies; in other words, I can't tell the difference whether it's using my custom profile or not. The only time where I can really SEE a difference is when working with digital photos.

I am looking at getting either this Dell 2709W or 2408WFP which I think are both wide gamut monitors so that is why I am looking at a hardware calibrator. If it can't help with getting the colors accurate in the areas I want I don't think I would like the over saturated colors and I guess I should start looking at standard gamut TN panels.

If you're thinking of getting a hardware calibrator to handle over-saturation, its purposes will be well served. If, however, you think that a hardware calibrator will make your screen more uniform or "completely" remove the dreaded patches of pink and/or green tint, you will be sorely disappointed.
 
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My Dell 2709W is rev A01 manufactured October 2008 Week 40
The Dell has very noticeable lag compared to my Eizo LCD, I took a few pictures at it with my Canon 40D at 1/1000 and the average delay vs the Eizo LCD was a staggering 40ms, it was between 30>50ms in the pictures I took (The GFX card used during testing was a nVidia 8800GTS 512 and the monitors run in Clone Mode with 1920x1200 in resolution and the Eizo therefore panning)

still so laggy ? :(
 

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Something's not right there. Eizo LCDs is known for being fairly laggy itself. I mean, this would imply close to 90-100ms lag vs. CRT - which is definitely NOT right.
 

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But I could clearly feel the lag before I even took the pictures, I can feel the mouse pointer being unresponsive before it starts moving on the screen...
And just right now as I'm running in clone mode I can clearly see with my naked eye that the Dell is behind doing such a basic task as scrolling up and down when reading text on a forum...:eek:

my 2709 has finally shipped, I'll believe this display has visible mouse lag when I see it.but if so lag will not be visible as I throw it back in the box guaranteed. but im sure that wont be happening,its gonna be sweet:):p
 

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Worry not - the 7-day cancellation period under the DSR will restart from the time you receive the replacement. :)

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/general/oft698.pdf (check out paragraph 3.69)

Thanks very much for that, my 2709W replacement will come next week. Now I feel a lot less worried if that has a dead pixel!

Btw, I think this monitor do have mouse lag, but it's something that I personally get used to pretty fast, for the first 10 seconds of switching on the monitor it felt slower but I didnt' actively notice it after that and I don't doubt it's still there. Though my equipment is more ergonomically focused rather than FPS gaming focused.
 

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any more info about the a01 revision , like less input lag ?

I never had the A00 only the A01. I do not believe the input lag has been improved at all. I think the only difference is that they fixed the touch sensitive buttons. I have not done an actual lag test, because I think it is a wast of time. If you are concerned about lag then this is not the monitor for you. I did test my average reaction time and it is a good bit slower sense I upgraded from my 2407WFP A03 which is known to be the fastest S-PVA monitor ever made. I think the 2709w would be good enough for FPS games like Half-Life 2, but not good enough for Quake 3 or Unreal Turniment.

Can someone please explain to me how a hardware calibrator works.

I am interested in buying an Eye One Pro 2, but not sure if it will make a difference in the areas I want it to. I originally thought that with a hardware calibrator that the color profile created changes the colors of all applications running under Windows?

I then read that the color profile only works for applications that are 'color aware' such as Photoshop, Firefox three and others progs that are color aware. I don't actually use any of those programs so what I want to know is, Is it worth me buying the Eye One Pro 2? Can it make the colors in games, movies, windows desktop more accurate or does it not apply to these things?

I am looking at getting either this Dell 2709W or 2408WFP which I think are both wide gamut monitors so that is why I am looking at a hardware calibrator. If it can't help with getting the colors accurate in the areas I want I don't think I would like the over saturated colors and I guess I should start looking at standard gamut TN panels.

For me the wide gamut on the 2709w is not a big deal, because there is a sRGB preset that works good enough for me. In other words the sRGB preset tones down the colors to where they look good to me. I will try to answer your question more completely when I get my Eye-One Display 2.

Dave

Added: I cannot detect any mouse lag at all
 

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My wrist is better so I can lift my 20" 80 lb CRT behemoth, so I'll do some input lag tests tonight. Mine is Rev A00 by the way, but I don't plan on trying to return it for A01, and it seems mine is good in regards to color uniformity across the entire panel with light colors.

Hopefully it will be closer on average to Prad's measurements, and not Digital Versus'.
 

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Ok tested on a crt 22:26:968 2709w 22:26:937. This is the 4 time I tried it. Left it running lol forever then did it again and its always 30 or 38. Now is that 30ms?

I'd like to ad.. I play unreal tournament all the time and finish 1st-last lol all the time. On MY monitor there is no noticeable lag lol. I dont think of myself as a hardcore gamer and I didnt buy this monitor for that but for ME I do just great.

Ok going back through the pics I found some that were 38ms.. But I have a older lcd thats 55 so lol 38 ROCKS!
 

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ok lets assume the worst and its 50ms input lag,wouldnt that be 1/20th of a second? I cant imagine a human eye noticing that in mouse movement.:confused:
 

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ok lets assume the worst and its 50ms input lag,wouldnt that be 1/20th of a second? I cant imagine a human eye noticing that in mouse movement.:confused:

It's noticeable if you play fast twitch games. Try playing an fps as single player and then play it online, the difference is night and day.
 

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ok lets assume the worst and its 50ms input lag,wouldnt that be 1/20th of a second? I cant imagine a human eye noticing that in mouse movement.:confused:


Correct: This has been my point about input lag all along. Norman Human reaction time is about 2 to three tenths of a second. Thats 0.300s compared to 0.050s. I do not play online games so I can not say anything about that, but as far as movies, Half-Life 2, mouse movement; and anything but hardcore gamming I am good to go.

I am interested to know if Dell did the same improvements to the A01 2709w as they did for the 2008wfp. From other posts it sounds like they did.

Dave
 

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Thanks for the info AMCL.

10e. What do you think about the hardware calibration I asked about in regards to wide gamut monitors? I'd like to get your take on it too.
 

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I installed one of the ICC profiles that someone posted up here for the 2709w and I have went to the colour management in Display Settings and set that as default and associated with the monitor, then i pressed ok.

However, I detect no change in colour on my desktop, I currently have a scenic sunset as wallpaper, or surfing the net.

Is it because I have done something wrong? Because my eyes can't detect the changes? Or does the ICC profiles only activate for certain programs like Adobe Photoshop.
 

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Hey Ice,

A calibration suite (hardware + software) will definitely make the colors more accurate, and the Eye One is better with wide gamut than the Spyders (which tend to not track green well).

Anyway, while it will make color more accurate, it will not remove wide gamut over saturation as a result. Only color managed applications like Photoshop and FireFox 3 (with color management app enabled) will remove this oversaturation.

Here's a good example of the over saturation of wide gamut:

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gamutexampleps1.jpg

and the source thread it came from:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1350050&page=2&

Basically the image on the left is correct, and the one on the right is a result of non-color managed wide gamut.

So your colors will be made more accurate, which is good for the 2709w fairly below average color calibration, but the colors will still be overly strong.

Regards.

Can someone please explain to me how a hardware calibrator works.

I am interested in buying an Eye One Pro 2, but not sure if it will make a difference in the areas I want it to. I originally thought that with a hardware calibrator that the color profile created changes the colors of all applications running under Windows?

I then read that the color profile only works for applications that are 'color aware' such as Photoshop, Firefox three and others progs that are color aware. I don't actually use any of those programs so what I want to know is, Is it worth me buying the Eye One Pro 2? Can it make the colors in games, movies, windows desktop more accurate or does it not apply to these things?

I am looking at getting either this Dell 2709W or 2408WFP which I think are both wide gamut monitors so that is why I am looking at a hardware calibrator. If it can't help with getting the colors accurate in the areas I want I don't think I would like the over saturated colors and I guess I should start looking at standard gamut TN panels.
 

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Hey Ice,

A calibration suite (hardware + software) will definitely make the colors more accurate, and the Eye One is better with wide gamut than the Spyders (which tend to not track green well).

Anyway, while it will make color more accurate, it will not remove wide gamut over saturation as a result. Only color managed applications like Photoshop and FireFox 3 (with color management app enabled) will remove this oversaturation.

Here's a good example of the over saturation of wide gamut:

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gamutexampleps1.jpg

and the source thread it came from:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1350050&page=2&

Basically the image on the left is correct, and the one on the right is a result of non-color managed wide gamut.

So your colors will be made more accurate, which is good for the 2709w fairly below average color calibration, but the colors will still be overly strong.

Regards.

Thanks for the reply 10e.

Well that does sound better than factory settings right? How much of an improvement did the hardware calibration make on your 2709W over the factory settings? Although the over saturation would still be there I think I would much prefer more accurate colors even if they are a little strong.

Also, when you mentioned the Eye One Display 2 is better than the Spyders where you referring to the Spyder2express or all of the Spyder line including the Spyder 3?

The reason I ask is because I just got off the phone with a store here in Australia that specializes in color management and he recommended the Spyder3 Pro for me over the Eye One Display 2. He said the Spider 3 has better filters (or something along those lines) and also said it also works better with wide gamut monitors. He said the Eye One Display 2 is old hardware and hasn't been updated in years. What do you make of that?

What would you guys here choose the Syder3 Pro or Eye One Display 2?
 

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The Spyder2 and Spyder3 are decent calibrators, but the Eye One Display 2 is considered the best consumer level LCD calibration colorimeter. I have tested the Spyder 2, and Albovin has tested Spyder 3, and both do not track green very well. In fact, when gamut measurements are shown, they tend to show wide gamut screens almost as standard gamut. The Spyder3 is better than the Spyder2, but still not as good as the Eye One D2 IMHO.

I would say that the Eye One D2 bundle with Eye One Match 3.6.2 is also better than the Spyder2 and Spyder3 combinations in general too.

The Eye One Display 2 is older than the Spyder3, but it seems to do a good job, and it is included in most higher end calibration packages like Lacie's Blue Eye Pro, BasicColor 4, and the SpectraView II package that comes with the NEC 90WUXI series displays.

Either should be fine, but I'd still lean towards the Eye One D2 unless the Spyder3 is far cheaper for you down under.

I would probably still prefer the Eye One D2 over the Spyder3 based on this somewhat comprehensive, but slightly confusing review:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/spyder3elite.htm

Thanks for the reply 10e.

Well that does sound better than factory settings right? How much of an improvement did the hardware calibration make on your 2709W over the factory settings? Although the over saturation would still be there I think I would much prefer more accurate colors even if they are a little strong.

Also, when you mentioned the Eye One Display 2 is better than the Spyders where you referring to the Spyder2express or all of the Spyder line including the Spyder 3?

The reason I ask is because I just got off the phone with a store here in Australia that specializes in color management and he recommended the Spyder3 Pro for me over the Eye One Display 2. He said the Spider 3 has better filters (or something along those lines) and also said it also works better with wide gamut monitors. He said the Eye One Display 2 is old hardware and hasn't been updated in years. What do you make of that?

What would you guys here choose the Syder3 Pro or Eye One Display 2?
 

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I just received My 2709w.its revision 01,and its gorgeous imo:D I cannot see any lag when moving My logitech g9 mouse either very slightly or fast.the new touch controls must be vastly improved because they work very nicely.the only game I have tried so far is world of warcraft for a few min,and I can not see any lag difference between the 2709 and my samsung tn film 2693hm. I sure can see a difference in the display quality especially the horrible viewing angles and huge color shifts on the sammy:(
 

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Hey guys.. ok I had Dell do a swap because mine.. the controls .. wow would not work good. Had a very hard time turning it on. And the top left and bottom left had blacklite bleeding bad. Well I just got the new one. LOL

Ok this one is A02 and NO blacklight bleed at all. The controls on the front WOW so much better. No problems at all..
 

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Hey guys.. ok I had Dell do a swap because mine.. the controls .. wow would not work good. Had a very hard time turning it on. And the top left and bottom left had blacklite bleeding bad. Well I just got the new one. LOL

Ok this one is A02 and NO blacklight bleed at all. The controls on the front WOW so much better. No problems at all..

A02 already? Really? Where was yours made and when? The Czech Republic is still pumping out A01s for at least the UK as soon as October
 

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Got my monitors today... Both A01 manufactured in October. Wow they are beautiful. I haven't fired them up yet but when I do I will post my findings and some pics.
 

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A02 already? Really? Where was yours made and when? The Czech Republic is still pumping out A01s for at least the UK as soon as October

lol man made me check it again. And I can take a pic if you like. Rev A02 Oct Made in Mexico. The other was A01 Sept. After letting it warm up I can see a hint of BLB in the same top left corner. But I really have look.

Now I have no idea whats different from a00-a02. If someone knows please share. My main reason for return was I had a heck of a time turning it on. This one WOW my finger is over a 1in away and the light comes on.
 

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do you guys think its worth it to upgrade to this monitor from a 2407wfp-hc? it would probably cost me about $100 more. your thoughts?
 

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A01 - October 2008 - Made in Mexico

I've done a cursory test, and it doesn't have any dead pixels that I've picked up on yet. I think my colors are currently being managed by Adobe's Gamma control ... something I think I need to disable because I don't know how it handles dual-LCDs and my dual's aren't the same model. Because of that, I won't comment on color calibration yet.

The screen is beautiful though. I've got it along-side my old Dell 19" 1905FP (non-widescreen) which I've rotated 90 degrees. At this orientation,they work perfectly together giving me a nice side-screen for other content not related to my primary display.

One thing I did find kind of strange. When I took it out of the box, the VGA cable was still connected to the screen. The thumb-screws were hard as hell to loosen ... I needed to use a screwdriver to loosen them, so I'm wondering if maybe one of their testers had the same problem, and just gave up.

Anyway, those are my first thoughts. For me .... it's a keeper.
 
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Continuing from my previous post I've got the Spyder 2 Express now and calibrated the monitor
It looks allot better now, colours not screaming at me as much as before... It's still too warm though, but much closer to what it should be...

I've reduced the brightness from my previous setting down to 0 now, of course this makes the monitor take a very long time to warm-up but once it is warm (ca 30 minutes) it looks much better

And to clarify about the mouse lag I said I could feel; this is only noticeable for me for about a minute or so using the monitor, after that my brain adjusts to this new feel and it does not annoy me, at no point does it make me unable to hit buttons or stuff like that
However running the monitor next to my Eizo S2000 is out of the question because then the lag is very noticeable since the Dell is behind on all operations, and to the naysayers that said that lag this low is impossible to detect by the human brain because it has an "act" time of about 300ms you are thinking about it way wrong
To begin with I'm a roadracing mechanic and if you're telling me that you are standing on racetrack and can't notice that one bike is 0.3 seconds ahead of another you need your brain examined
Perhaps you see where I'm getting at with this; as you can see one bike going past you at 200KM/H you can also with a timer track a bike that is just a couple milliseconds behind and relay this info the "your" rider by giving him the times on a board
The comparison with two monitors is the same, since you are seeing the two at the same time you do notice the lag, and as I said the lag is not noticeable if I turn off my Eizo, however the lag is still there and therefore I always miss my enemies in Quake3 Arena because my shots with the Rocket Launcher or even more so the Railgun is always ca 40ms behind them
The reaction time you however is quoting is that of yourself when driving a car, when for example a deer comes up on the road it is said to take ca 300ms or so for the brain to react and then press the brake pedal down, but this is very much unlike what the brain is doing here
Because clicking on stuff and shooting enemies is very much an automated task for your brain (if you are good at it)
Just like it is for a professional bike rider, his reaction time will be much less than 300ms, 300ms at 200KM/H is 16.6 meters travelled, yet they don't crash into each other in corners when they all have to break even though they have much less than one meters safety distance!
(Sorry for the long winding post, just trying to get this delay we are talking about into perspective)
 

Ice009

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I have another question - Can you hardware calibrate two different monitors with a Eye One Display 2 or a Spyder3 and still run a dual monitor set-up? Will that load the colour profile of each monitor when you switch back and forth?
 
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