Decrypt Laptop Or Go Directly to Jail

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I'm torn on this one, since in one way it's not really much different than requiring someone to open their door so police can search their home.

The thing is you aren't under obligation to open your door, if you don't open the door they just break it down. The same thing applies here. If you don't give them your encryption keys, they still can try to break them. IMO, it's a violation of the 5th for them to force you into providing encryption keys.
 

Kuraudo

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I served proudly in our armed services and am fully aware of what the official restrictions are on certain organization to operate on U.S. soil. I have also witnessed first hand the C.I.A. conducting operations on U.S. soil in direct contradiction of those so called limits. The NSA is also actively involved in domestic spying on U.S. citizens. Working in the field gives you more exposure to what is actually going on than sitting behind an IT desk doing support.
While in Afghanistan, my unit routinely operated in conjunction with CIA operators from the time we dropped in to that country before the official invasion even began to the time we got rotated back stateside. If you have ever actually been in a warzone, you would know that 99% of your time is spent just waiting for things to happen, so people tend to get bored and talk a lot more than they would when you start to bond through the experience.
If you know so much, then I'm sure you know the real scandal in Benghazi was the CIA defied a DIRECT presidential order to protect the Ambassador and his TWO guards when the compound was attacked. The black site located in that compound contained two CIA fire teams and other personnel that could have repelled the assault. Instead they refused to assist in the situation and this is what the true cover up in that incident revolves around. But I'm sure you knew that already since you claim to be in the know? And that you know the CIA refused to help to keep secret the fact they were removing arms from Gaddafi's weapons stockpiles and shipping them to Turkey to be passed on to the Syrian rebels right? BTW that's also illegal under U.S. law and the international sanctions in place at the time. And of course you also know the F.E.S.T. teams were forbidden from securing the embassy compound for over a month so the CIA could vacate and cover its tracks right? Stick to your day job. This shit's way above your pay grade.

God damn, my mind is blown. Screw the kiddie porn bites and bytes, this crap about Benghazi sounds more interesting.
 

Teenk9

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It's amazing how many people with top level clearance and top secret credentials, current and former, that posts in this forum.
 

Red Squirrel

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Guess this is why plausible deniability is very important to setup.

Though this just comes to show how much of a dictatorship America is turning into. I hope this shit does not make it to Canada too. Our government aint all that much better. :(
 

DeathPrincess

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Makes no sense..... maybe they are trying to give him a bigger sentence?

As most criminals don't act without some other criminals, maybe they are hoping there is information which will lead to sources of the material?
 
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give you my password? how does fuck you sound? take the 5th...hopefully the SCC will address this
 

KarsusTG

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He's probably thinking it's better to spend forever in JAIL than life in PRISON. lol
 

pothb

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The answer is yes you can plead the 5th on any charges that they don't have evidence you committed. In this case not only do they have the evidence to convict but they have evidence that the encrypted hard drives likely possess more evidence and thus the court can compel the passwords disclosure.

The term to focus on is "likely". They have an encrypted hard drive. They decrypted it and it contained child porn. Ownership has been established as the defendants therefore the court can conclude that the remaining drives the defendant owns likely possess more evidence. If they hadn't decrypted the one drive and found the child porn then they would not be able to establish the connection thus the judges original decision would stand.

Clear as mud?

Mud, hah! I'm sure we can fine something more opaque to compare it to.
 
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...What is wrong with people like you?

There is a reason our rights are being raped, and it's because of people like you spouting "WELL IF U DIDNT DO IT THEN U SHUD HAVE NUTTIN' TO HIDE!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Newb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption

Dual encryption where you have two keys, one key decrypts the hdd and shows harmless info and the second key shows you the real hidden info.

Hence you get asked or forced to decrypt, then you can without any problems because the real encrypted info is still encrypted and hidden hence plausible deniability.

Now stop yo fucking shouting.
 

collegeboy69us

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dude should have used truecrypt with the secondary password unlock that will decrypt a "bogus" data set that's 100% legit and won't get him in trouble.

He would satisfy the court -- and keep himself out of any (more) hot water.
 

Serpent

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The answer is yes you can plead the 5th on any charges that they don't have evidence you committed. In this case not only do they have the evidence to convict but they have evidence that the encrypted hard drives likely possess more evidence and thus the court can compel the passwords disclosure.

See, that's what confuses me. If you have enough to convict, don't you have to actually convict to prove that point? If not, you shouldn't be able to say, this is enough to convict, show us the rest.
 

Meeho

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There's just no such thing as totally secure encryption anymore with the compute power we now have at our disposal. When I can use a consumer graphics card to brute force a 28 character passkey in just a few hours, there's no excuse the government isn't able to do even more in less time.

LOL, sure...

The NSA already decrypts ALL transatlantic telephone traffic in near real time before storing it in a datacenter for possible use later, and some of that traffic uses keys exceeding 2048 bits.

Oh, this one is even funnier.
 

lcpiper

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GMAN1979, I didn't say NSA provides Intel to the Military, I said they provide CONTROL, as in NSA Directives, you know USIDS and such.

And I did spend time in Iraq, I did work SIGINT, ELINT in particular for 16 years.

But You and I need to stop, this epeen BS is getting out of control and we are both getting close to saying shit that could send us to jail. :cool:
 

draksia

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LOL, sure...



Oh, this one is even funnier.

While I am not sure they are decrypting everything especially not in (near)real time but they without out a doubt have the ability to record and store all the traffic.

Whether and how of this they do isn't known.
 

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I served proudly in our armed services and am fully aware of what the official restrictions are on certain organization to operate on U.S. soil. I have also witnessed first hand the C.I.A. conducting operations on U.S. soil in direct contradiction of those so called limits. The NSA is also actively involved in domestic spying on U.S. citizens. Working in the field gives you more exposure to what is actually going on than sitting behind an IT desk doing support.
While in Afghanistan, my unit routinely operated in conjunction with CIA operators from the time we dropped in to that country before the official invasion even began to the time we got rotated back stateside. If you have ever actually been in a warzone, you would know that 99% of your time is spent just waiting for things to happen, so people tend to get bored and talk a lot more than they would when you start to bond through the experience.
If you know so much, then I'm sure you know the real scandal in Benghazi was the CIA defied a DIRECT presidential order to protect the Ambassador and his TWO guards when the compound was attacked. The black site located in that compound contained two CIA fire teams and other personnel that could have repelled the assault. Instead they refused to assist in the situation and this is what the true cover up in that incident revolves around. But I'm sure you knew that already since you claim to be in the know? And that you know the CIA refused to help to keep secret the fact they were removing arms from Gaddafi's weapons stockpiles and shipping them to Turkey to be passed on to the Syrian rebels right? BTW that's also illegal under U.S. law and the international sanctions in place at the time. And of course you also know the F.E.S.T. teams were forbidden from securing the embassy compound for over a month so the CIA could vacate and cover its tracks right? Stick to your day job. This shit's way above your pay grade.

Before Benghazi I wondered if we would supply the rebels, ala the Iran Contra scandal. As a nation we are stupid and forget history. If we didn't learn anything before it means it will happen again right?
 

Ur_Mom

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It's amazing how many people with top level clearance and top secret credentials, current and former, that posts in this forum.

Yes. Even as a civilian that's heard an old CIA guy talking (between you an I type of stuff), I wouldn't repeat any of it. Yea, it's old from the 60's and 70's, but it's a secret for a reason. The guy that told me shouldn't have said anything to me, either, but he was just a cooky old man (awesome guy). Public forum? Hells no. So, on some of these things, I call BS. If you really knew that information, you wouldn't be repeating it on HardForum....


Decrypt hard drive? Rumor had it that the government had a back door to bypass all that..... What? Not real? ;)
 

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Do you know why the drone video was not released... CIA black site / prison
 

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I served proudly in our armed services and am fully aware of what the official restrictions are on certain organization to operate on U.S. soil. I have also witnessed first hand the C.I.A. conducting operations on U.S. soil in direct contradiction of those so called limits. The NSA is also actively involved in domestic spying on U.S. citizens. Working in the field gives you more exposure to what is actually going on than sitting behind an IT desk doing support.
While in Afghanistan, my unit routinely operated in conjunction with CIA operators from the time we dropped in to that country before the official invasion even began to the time we got rotated back stateside. If you have ever actually been in a warzone, you would know that 99% of your time is spent just waiting for things to happen, so people tend to get bored and talk a lot more than they would when you start to bond through the experience.
If you know so much, then I'm sure you know the real scandal in Benghazi was the CIA defied a DIRECT presidential order to protect the Ambassador and his TWO guards when the compound was attacked. The black site located in that compound contained two CIA fire teams and other personnel that could have repelled the assault. Instead they refused to assist in the situation and this is what the true cover up in that incident revolves around. But I'm sure you knew that already since you claim to be in the know? And that you know the CIA refused to help to keep secret the fact they were removing arms from Gaddafi's weapons stockpiles and shipping them to Turkey to be passed on to the Syrian rebels right? BTW that's also illegal under U.S. law and the international sanctions in place at the time. And of course you also know the F.E.S.T. teams were forbidden from securing the embassy compound for over a month so the CIA could vacate and cover its tracks right? Stick to your day job. This shit's way above your pay grade.

You are either trolling or out of your mind, because if any of that shit is true you just painted a giant target on your forehead.
 
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Some of the shit in here is insane.

Seriously, some people have just opened their mouth and let their belly rumble and typed out the resulting BS.
 

Jagger100

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I like how the CIA left the last administration high and dry. And this administration has left them high and dry. Apt reward.
 

CEpeep

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I like how the CIA left the last administration high and dry. And this administration has left them high and dry. Apt reward.

Mmm, delicious government infighting. My favorite use of tax dollars.
 

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They need to see the contents of the other drives so they can try to find the exploited children and save them. He is already doomed, it is now about saving children.

yes, its about saving all the childrinz, they care so much
 
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