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Neither do opinions.Tin foil hats don't count.
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Neither do opinions.Tin foil hats don't count.
Science as we know it today is still relatively young (less than 400 years). It will take a while to shake superstition, logical fallacy, and pseudoscience. The Bible is still a best seller. Ancient Aliens still gets great ratings. Credulity is a big business, because research and skepticism don't provide the same instant gratification.
Truth and knowledge will hopefully win in the end...but with the two most violent religions on earth (Islam and Christianity) considering the pursuit of evidence to be blasphemy, there's always that chance they could snuff out the pursuit of knowledge like they have in the past.
But religion has conceded evidence before (like when the Pope pardoned Galileo a few years back, thus finally admitting that the universe does not revolve around the earth); if we're lucky, it will happen again more often!
If anybody who does such things calls themselves a Christian, they are lying.
+1 to that.Saying that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth is not only an outright lie, it is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_ScotsmanIf anybody who does such things calls themselves a Christian, they are lying. Read the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapters 5,6,and 7, and tell me a Christian does those things.
Exactly this. Christianity may not be violent in the last 100 years or so ([URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml"]unless you count George Bush's declaration that the war was a mission from God)[/URL], but it was most certainly built on a foundation of extreme violence that continued into the early 20th century. Christianity, like Islam, wouldn't be where it is today without its history of conquest.Anybody can say if person X does this then they are not a part of our group. Muslims in fact do say that suicide bombers are not in fact part of the religion.
While in recent years Christianity has been quite calm is has an extremely violent past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Exactly this. Christianity may not be violent in the last 100 years or so (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_for_witchcraftunless you count George Bush's declaration that the war was a mission from God), but it was most certainly built on a foundation of extreme violence that continued into the early 20th century. Christianity, like Islam, wouldn't be where it is today without its history of conquest.
I do applaud and appreciate the efforts of a majority today who condemn the violent acts of the minority, but the fact remains that they didn't get where they are today without the resources they plundered from their dead enemies. Vae victis.
I give credit to the people here who stand by their beliefs by Faith alone. It's very rare these days.
There is one glaring fact that no one, and I mean no one can prove scientifically and that is how the universe was created. In essense, the pro-Big Bang Theory people are basing their belief on faith, no? There isn't any factual evidence to prove otherwise, just like there isn't any factual evidence for Creationism, it's belief is based on faith as well. I find it funny that the relationship between the two is so far apart, yet so close in the way people put faith on both ideas yet the pro-big bangers can't believe that the religous put faith in something, the same way they do their theories.
And BTW, if you take the Book of Revelation literal, then you really don't know the bible at all.
Saying that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth is not only an outright lie, it is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian suicide bomber? You haven't, because they don't exist.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian kidnapping a muslem, torturing them, and cutting off their head? You haven't, because it doesn't happen.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian parking a car bomb in a crowded civilian area and exploding it , killing innocent men, women , and children? Guess what, you haven't.
If anybody who does such things calls themselves a Christian, they are lying. Read the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapters 5,6,and 7, and tell me a Christian does those things.
Take your head out of the sand and look around at the world situation as it really is. Check out the number of countries,(Africa being the worst) where they kill each other by the thousands because of religious differences, and then tell me that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth.
Christianity does not consider the pursuit of knowledge as blasphemy, rather, Christianity tells us to know what the truth is, and then we will be set free. John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Seek peace and pursue it is another scripture maybe you should explore. 1st Peter 3:11 "He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
Educate yourself before you open your mouth and prove just how ignorant your comments may be.
Pelo, do you lump all non Chrisitians into the same category in that they all believe in exactly the same things? So why do you think that all Christians agree on all matters pertaining to science?
Science only explains what you can see, Christianity explains all things pertaining to God that are supernatural and cannot be seen or quantified by man or science. Of course the Bible can't be wrong, if it is then there would be no Christianity. Do you expect believers to doubt what is their doctrinal foundation? You so readily dismiss Christianity as some kook religion that can't possibly be true, but you cannot offer any evidence to support your claim. There is ample evidence that Jesus Christ lived and walked on the earth, and that the things said of Him in the Bible are true. Stop being affraid of your beliefs being challenged, it just shows your insecurity in those beliefs.
No "religion" started any wars. It was the people that used religion as a way to start a war but in reality wanted personal gain out of it. By saying its a war for god they are just trying to win the minds of people over so they can start the war yet it wasn't intentionally with god in mind at all. We are in iraq because of imperialism and the resources the elite want to control. If you control the resources your pretty much control the world. Most religions don't even talk about killing anyone and prohibit it from happening in the first place.
Democide is the highest mass deaths.
Saying that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth is not only an outright lie, it is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian suicide bomber? You haven't, because they don't exist.
This might not count but Oklahoma city bombing.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian parking a car bomb in a crowded civilian area and exploding it , killing innocent men, women , and children? Guess what, you haven't.
Anders Behring Breivik
Saying that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth is not only an outright lie, it is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian suicide bomber? You haven't, because they don't exist.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian kidnapping a muslem, torturing them, and cutting off their head? You haven't, because it doesn't happen.
When is the last time you heard of a Christian parking a car bomb in a crowded civilian area and exploding it , killing innocent men, women , and children? Guess what, you haven't.
If anybody who does such things calls themselves a Christian, they are lying. Read the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapters 5,6,and 7, and tell me a Christian does those things.
Take your head out of the sand and look around at the world situation as it really is. Check out the number of countries,(Africa being the worst) where they kill each other by the thousands because of religious differences, and then tell me that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth.
Christianity does not consider the pursuit of knowledge as blasphemy, rather, Christianity tells us to know what the truth is, and then we will be set free. John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Seek peace and pursue it is another scripture maybe you should explore. 1st Peter 3:11 "He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
Educate yourself before you open your mouth and prove just how ignorant your comments may be.
From Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World":<snip>
Carl Sagan said:Have I ever heard a skeptic wax superior and contemptuous?
Certainly. I've even sometimes heard, to my retrospective dismay,
that unpleasant tone in my own voice. There are human imperfections
on both sides of this issue. Even when it's applied sensitively,
scientific skepticism may come across as arrogant, dogmatic,
heartless and dismissive of the feelings and deeply held beliefs of
others. And, it must be said, some scientists and dedicated
skeptics apply this tool as a blunt instrument, with little finesse.
Sometimes it looks as if the skeptical conclusion came first, that
contentions were dismissed before, not after, the evidence was
examined. All of us cherish our beliefs. They are, to a degree,
self-defining. When someone comes along who challenges our
belief system as insufficiently well based - or who, like Socrates,
merely asks embarrassing questions that we haven't thought of, or
demonstrates that we've swept key underlying assumptions under
the rug - it becomes much more than a search for knowledge. It
feels like a personal assault.
<snip>
It's cool man. There's always that temptation to be condescending for everyone on any subject. Not everyone is at the same level of learning and rational, skeptical thought (with a dash of wonder and credulity to nourish the love of knowledge).well if any... sorry for the amount of curse words, i guess there wasn't a necessity for that
This is an examples of one of those people who use the big bang to say that creationism is false. Apparently, and i just learned this in this thread, the big bang theory claims no such thing about what created the big bang, so they could quite easily go hand-in-hand.
I don't know my bible that well, so I'm curious to see where it says the universe is only thousands of years old
IMO, you have to try really hard to interpret the bible... between the vast cultural difference between now and then, and the fact that man has tweaked the living hell out of it, I can't understand why anyone can take it for a literal, word-for-word meaning.
Indeed the God portrayed in the Old Testament was a vicious one. Thankfully for us he took an about-face... I still am uncertain why such an about-face was taken if God is omniscient, you would have thought he'd have started on the good foot... but maybe humanity wasn't ready for it.
Saying that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth is not only an outright lie, it is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard. It started with fire and murders and caused the crusades. More since then but too much to count. It's not innocent
When is the last time you heard of a Christian suicide bomber? You haven't, because they don't exist. Suicide bomber? No, suicide is a sin so most Christian bombers leave them in mailboxes or outside abortion clinics
When is the last time you heard of a Christian kidnapping a muslem, torturing them, and cutting off their head? You haven't, because it doesn't happen. The crusades, but if you take out cutting off their head.. the US tortures and kidnaps muslims
When is the last time you heard of a Christian parking a car bomb in a crowded civilian area and exploding it , killing innocent men, women , and children? Guess what, you haven't. Timothy McVeigh. Nuff said
If anybody who does such things calls themselves a Christian, they are lying. Read the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapters 5,6,and 7, and tell me a Christian does those things. cop out
Take your head out of the sand and look around at the world situation as it really is. Check out the number of countries,(Africa being the worst) where they kill each other by the thousands because of religious differences, and then tell me that Christianity is one of the two most violent religions on earth. You realize that in some of those countries, Christianity is involved in the violence. Technically, Hitler was a bible loving Christian too.. if insane
Christianity does not consider the pursuit of knowledge as blasphemy, rather, Christianity tells us to know what the truth is, and then we will be set free. John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Seek peace and pursue it is another scripture maybe you should explore. 1st Peter 3:11 "He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. Don't even bring bible quotes into this. You know better. Do you give your daughter out to be raped like Lott? How about stoning women? Ever had God tell you to kill your son? I don't think so.
Educate yourself before you open your mouth and prove just how ignorant your comments may be.
Btw, dark matter is awesome and I have no idea how the hell this got on theology.
Answers in bold. Btw, dark matter is awesome and I have no idea how the hell this got on theology.
Let me clear something up. In my original post, all I'm trying to say is, as smart as these guys are, and yes they are very intelligent, they don't really know whats going on out there in the universe, but they try and make us believe that they do.
People keep feeding the troll.
How many of you in this thread really believe you have the answer to where your eternal soul will end up upon your death? Science won't save you, and doesn't have the answer. Mock me all you want, doesn't change the fact that we will all stand before Christ on Judgement Day. I am done with this thread as it's just going in circles, and I have said my piece. Peace to all, and may God richly bless each and every one of you.
So, Pascal's Wager basically?
How many of you in this thread really believe you have the answer to where your eternal soul will end up upon your death? Science won't save you, and doesn't have the answer. Mock me all you want, doesn't change the fact that we will all stand before Christ on Judgement Day. I am done with this thread as it's just going in circles, and I have said my piece. Peace to all, and may God richly bless each and every one of you.
How many of you in this thread really believe you have the answer to where your eternal soul will end up upon your death? Science won't save you, and doesn't have the answer. Mock me all you want, doesn't change the fact that we will all stand before Christ on Judgement Day. I am done with this thread as it's just going in circles, and I have said my piece. Peace to all, and may God richly bless each and every one of you.
Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true. I was raised in evangelical christianity all my life. There is a reason I walked away, hopefully one day you will be enlightened. If you understood your bible as well as you claim you do, you wouldn't be on here spouting this nonsense.
Science and spiritual beliefs do not need to be at odds with one another. The sooner more people realize this and shed the oppressive trappings of religion the better we will all be.
Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true. I was raised in evangelical christianity all my life. There is a reason I walked away, hopefully one day you will be enlightened. If you understood your bible as well as you claim you do, you wouldn't be on here spouting this nonsense.
You are absolutely correct. The fact that I believe it does not make it true. However, the fact that it is true is why I believe it.
Magnets... How do THEY work?
Creationism is generally young-earth. "Creationists" who try to co-opt the big bang theory don't believe a literal bible, and are generally intellectually contemptible anyway. If the Bible isn't literal then original sin doesn't exist, Jesus isn't needed, and the entire issue of salvation is simultaneously irrelevant and impossible to believe literally.
The bible says the world was created with adam and eve in the first week, then proceeds to name ALL their offspring and their ages for many generations. It eventually gets to people who we know lived at a certain time by other records. It works out to roughly six thousand years.
Biblical interpretation is relatively straight forward. You learn Hebrew and ancient Greek and basic principles of historical interpretation and go for it.
The reason why a literal interpretation is important is that if the bible is not literally true, it's also unimportant. No Garden, no original sin, no salvation needed. A bible that's not literally true leaves you guessing whether Jesus was the son of god or just a guy or a mythical figure. Christianity without literal interpretation is no more worthy of worship than the Iliad or the Odyssey.
More likely is that Jesus' disciples were relatively mellow people and wrote a nicer book. The idea that the eternal god changed his attitude is pretty retarded. Not to mention, he seems to have got bored the last two thousand years.