DAN HSLP-48: A powerful sub 50mm heatsink

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by dondan, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. Vlad502

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    You are right, that is 3D model not 2D drawing, and there is difference
    I like the idea about shroud to separate intake air to exhausted heat and i think to use self adhesive foam sealing tape
     
  2. SaperPL

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    The thing is, the render is made with perspective and the base is closer than the fin stack, so in your mock-ups (and my earlier mockups) the fin stack is slightly smaller than in reality even if you scale the fan to its real 92 x 92 mm dimensions.


    The Black Ridge on Aorus B450 board thing:

    https://imgur.com/a/561m3cG

    It fits, but the AM4/AM3+ bracket is still at fault making it lie on one of the onboard components. I did not disassemble it yet to check which one is it, but I've heard the plastic being crushed when I tried to tighten the screw closest to the chipset.

    Not fun, luckily the board is still alive, but I'm not sure if I have proper pressure or not because of this and the fact that if I tighten the screws to the max, I literally see the the PCB under the socket making a bulge in the middle of the board, so I'm not recommending this. Also the way the brackets are made doesn't force the cooler alignment on the CPU because you have M3 screws in like 6 mm holes so there's a ton of leeway and because you are mounting it from the bottom of the board, I assume I smeared the paste all over the CPU while trying to center the screws in the mounting holes. So once again - potentially great cooler, mind blowing poor implementation of AM4 support.

    This thing's fin stack is huge. As you can see it obstructs first 2.5" drive slot and partially the second one including the bracket, so you can fit only one 2.5" and still have to figure something out how to mount it because of this.

    I'm not sure if it performs so great with it's stock 92 mm fan, and 120 mm fan under the fin stack requires so niche ram modules that I'm not sure if I care about it at all, so the excess of fin stack outside the fan may not be used so much. For comparison, I've used T318 with 120 mm slim noctua fan for the last week and I feel like performance both in temps and acoustic is comparable, but with that, I can do two 2.5" drives without a problem. I'd also be thinking about simply mounting a 120 mm slim fan over NH-L9i/a radiator for same effect.

    Anyway you have it if you wanted to know if it fits and how it fits.

    EDIT: someone just noted that my unit is not black coated and I back tracked to this image of initial release unit I had: https://i.imgur.com/5BG2an3.jpg So yeah, my unit is not black coated. Does it look like this now for everyone or did I get an incomplete unit (again) ?
     
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  3. XstreamHard

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    It is still black coated but it's more of a shiny metalized coating than a mate black paint now. Yours definitely doesn't look like mine.
     
  4. CybKnight

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    Well, I have both a first and second batch cooler. For my first edition I can glimse light through 3 of the heatpipes. Second batch cooler does not have this problem.

    I also was somewhat surprised by the new color. Don't mind though.
     
  5. Nanook

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    I have the v1, but I can't seem to be able to find the v2 anywhere. I'm in the US, and willing to ship from EU.
     
  6. Van0

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    The v2 will eventually be available from OverclockersUK, which ships to the US. At the moment it is only available from Caseking, which does not ship to the US.
     
  7. dragonstongue

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    one can use copper for tghe "pretty" and ALU or other metal/material for "good enough" performance whilst keeping cost down ofc an upper model of such can be pur CU based (maybe electra coated with something to prevent tarnish, fingerprint would be excellent.

    I know my "mighty" Hyper 212 plus transports heat like crazy and primarily aluminum based, I believe there is far more in regards to angling of fins, fan selection as much for raw performance given as copper vs aluminum, I have seen countless all copper affiars that really do not cool all that much better than far far more cost reduced alternatives that "on paper" are worse, that is difference of "on paper" and real world, always has ^.^
     
  8. ezeftw

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    I'm waiting for a comparison review against the Noctua heatsink... It's gonna take a while I guess
     
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  9. mirgus

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    Performance didn't increase but the quality overall a little bit
     
  10. linux.alucard

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    L12 vs Black Ridge?
     
  11. Engr62

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    I'd love to see this comparison.
     
  12. friend'scatdied

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    Can the fan placement be offset by a few mm in either direction? I'm not sure how flexible the provided fan clips are -- just wondering whether 92mm fan placement is forced to be dead-center or whether there's a little bit of play.
     
  13. mirgus

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    92mm fan is mounted with screws
     
  14. Engr62

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    I can't tell from the photos how you modified the Black Ridge to work with the ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac. Has anyone else tried it with this motherboard?
     
  15. PantherB

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    You need to modify the AM4 brackets, I used a dremel for that.
     
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  16. PantherB

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    Were you able to design a 3d-printed shroud? Would be very interested.
     
  17. Engr62

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    Thank you. Now that I know what to look for, I can set the modification in the photo.
     
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    Hi guys, was able to test my BlackRidge v2+Noctua NF-A12x15 PWM in my Dan-Cases A4-SFX v1. I used Kryonaut for testing. Noiselevel was measured at 10cm distance with side panels attached. Testing was done versus my old Cryorig C7. For stress testing I used Prime 26.6 large ffts running for 30min. I put down the temps for my 32gb vlp innodisk memory 3133MHz@CL16-17-17-35-52 CR1 as well. CPU is a R7 1800X UC+UV @3.4GHz -100mV. I needed to modify the bracket to fit the BlackRidge on my ASRock B350 gaming itx.

    C7 with cardboard fanduct, environmental temperature 20.8°C:
    CoreTemp 70°C, 2122rpm, 50.8dB
    Inno1 57°C
    Inno2 61°C

    BlackRidge without fanduct, environmental temperature 21.5°C:
    CoreTemp 62°C, 1386rpm, 40.6dB
    Inno1 53°C
    Inno2 51°C

    Although it was again a pain to install the BlackRidge, the results with the Noctua Fan are amazing to me. It's a whopping 10dB difference plus way cooler CPU. As a nice side effect my ram sticks stay cooler as well. Hating its quality but loving the functionality.
     
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  19. Talyrius

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    I'm curious how the Cryorig C7G will compare.
     
  20. suprememilo2

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    Does anyone have a list of AMD motherboards that work with the Black Ridge?
     
  21. Van0

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    Been busy AF at work lately, so haven't gotten round to it. I don't have a 3D printer myself, so I don't want to stuff up like my first prototype (it was too small) as the cost quickly adds up.
     
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    Is there any RAM compatibility list, or max height? I want to test the blackridge but too cheap to buy new ram sticks
     
  23. Engr62

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    33 mm with the 92 mm fan on the bottom. If you use a 120 mm fan under the heat sink, you can only use VLP RAM.
     
  24. ezeftw

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    Thanks for the answer. And what about the Asetek 645lt? I'm guessing that if you use tall ram sticks, you gonna have problems with the tubing.
     
  25. illram

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    Has anyone tried the V2 vs. the Cooltek LP53/Noctua slim fan combo?
     
  26. Titeywitey

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    PantherB or anyone else that has done so, is it possible to take a picture of the modification you had to do to the AM4 bracket? Even just a paint diagram of the piece you had to Dremel/bend would be awesome. Thanks!

    SaperPL erPL tagging you as well as I'm looking at the new gigabyte 570 and it looks like the chips are in the same location.
     
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  27. Van0

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    I did one page back. Compared V2 with 120mm fan.
     
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  28. PantherB

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    [​IMG]
    https://imgur.com/a/AqqdvoU

    the red parts had to go so that the brackets wouldn't interfere with some mainboard components.
    sorry was too lazy to open up the case ;)
     
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  29. Titeywitey

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    Hahaha, you're a legend! Thank you so much. Just wanted to confirm that the mod wasn't actually that mind-blowing :)
     
  30. Deepcoiler

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    Hi all, if you had to make an educated guess, what is the likelihood that the Black Ridge will be able to cool an R9 3900X in an A4? Noctua has this to say about the NH-L9a in relation to the R7 2700X, which has the same TDP: Recommended with good case ventilation only, might drop below base clock speeds with continuous 100% load. It seems like it could be within the realm of possibility.
     
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    3700x shouldn't be a problem.

    3800x and 3900x have a much higher tdp. Probably possible, but don't expect die cpu to boost higher then base clock speeds
     
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    I recently tried the Black Ridge on my Ryzen 7 1800X in a Louqe Ghost S1 since I couldn't find a NH-L12 (non S). With the single 92 mm fan on the bottom, the CPU would reach 75 C (measured using CPUID HWMONITOR) and throttled to 3.4 GHz under full load. I tried adding a Scythe 120 mm fan to the top. The CPU still reached 75 C, but the speed was mostly at 3.6 GHz.
     
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  33. friend'scatdied

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    Can anyone confirm whether the ASRock Z390 Phantom’s VRM heatsink needs to be removed when using the Black Ridge with a 120mm slim fan? It’s extremely difficult to search for this information (niche within a niche within a niche).
     
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    Short answer is yes, the VRM needs to be removed. But the VRM heatsink is connected to the PCH heatsink via heat pipe, and the front M.2 is mounted on top of the PCH heatsink. This made it impossible for me to remove the VRM heatsink, as I do utilize the front M.2 slot. You could try offsetting the slim 120 fan position (no clips), and wedging the fan between the VRM heatsink and the 24pin.
     
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  35. teo

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    how close of an almost-fit was it on the z390? I have a z370 version which appears to have a slightly shorter vrm heatsink and I’m curious if it’d fit with the board unmodified
     
  36. friend'scatdied

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    Thank you sir!
    From what I’ve tested the 92mm configuration hardly leaves even a few mm to spare on the VRM heatsink side. I don’t think you could fit even one of the 100mm fans (e.g. TY-100) even with VLP memory.

    It’s a shame that the VRM heatsink on the ASRock isn’t more modular...
     
  37. Nanook

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    On the Asrock Z390 Phantom Gaming ITX, I also tried the TY100 and it didn't fit.
    For Z370, I've only tried it with the Asus Strix ITX, and had removed all of the motherboard heatsinks to fit the Black Ridge v1 with a slim 120mm fan.
     
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    Spoiler: I will try to do a build using a 9900k with direct die cooling on an Asus Z390 Strix-I using the Black Ridge with a Noctua A12x15 PWM and VLP Ram. Pretty much everything will need to be modified for this. The mounting brackets because of the reduced CPU height, the fan frame will need to be trimmed since it will interfere with the ram and either the heatsink will have to be trimmed or the VRM cooler removed. This is going to be interesting...
     
  39. Engr62

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    I highly doubt you'll be able to cool the i9-9900K with the Black Ridge. I couldn't even keep my Ryzen 7 1800X from throttling with the Black Ridge + 92 mm fan + 120 mm fan.
     
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    Well the 1800X technically has the same TDP (I know it's only comparable at base clock) and there are users like PantherB above who seem to easily make it work for the 1800X. I am hoping that going direct die + thermal grizzly + 120 mm + a little UV will keep it in the high 80s at max. I also don't care much about synthetic loads. Gaming, CAD and some video rendering is the load it will see with the rendering probably being the most difficult in terms of thermals. We will see.
     
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