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Jdbye you need a fan duct with the L9i/a, look at the following picture from another member, you can get the CAD design for the fan duct from DAN's wenbsite and you can have any local shop 3D print it for you.I picked up a Noctua NH-L9a chromax.black once I saw they were available locally, as the Cryorig C7 RGB is a bit noisier than I'd like.
Did some tests before and after, and I can't say I'm impressed. It's summertime now and the temperatures inside are rather high, so it's not the best time of year to be comparing coolers, but I'd say both performed similarly.
Cryorig C7 RGB:
Ambient: 28.6C
15min run AIDA64 Stress CPU:
CPU: 84C
Package: 95C
Clock: 3.79-3.81 Ghz
Cinebench R20 score: 4231
Noctua NH-L9a:
Ambient: 28.2C
15min run AIDA64 Stress CPU:
CPU: 84c
Package: 95c
Clock: 3.79-3.82 Ghz
Cinebench R20 score: 4373
Those results look pretty much identical. It's worth noting that the CPU seemed to heat up more quickly with the Noctua than the Cryorig however. Both heated up to 83C/94C and stayed there before hitting 84C/95C near the end of the run. But the Noctua seemed to heat up to 83C/94C almost immediately.
Noise levels seem slightly lower with the Noctua as expected, although not as big of a difference as i'd hoped.
The CPU still turbos well above the stock 3.59ghz, and gaming performance doesn't seem to have been adversely affected by the higher ambient temperatures in the summer. It is still a bit worrying how hot everything gets when I load up a game though.
What's maybe the most concerning, is that the motherboard seemed to get much hotter with the NH-L9a. I wasn't really paying attention to the motherboard temperature before, but when running the test again with the Noctua, I noticed the motherboard temp display in ASUS AI Suite turn red (which I used to monitor the temps, clock etc.) as the motherboard temp reached 60C. And kept climbing all the way up to 65C by the end of the run. I did not notice it turn red before, and as it's right next to the CPU temp, I probably would have noticed if it did, so that means it stayed below 60C throughout the Cryorig C7 stress test. Seems like the smaller thermal mass is not able to move the heat away from the CPU as quickly (which I suppose might be expected), and as a result, more heat escapes through other paths, such as into the motherboard.The metal backplate of the Noctua cooler might also be contributing to the motherboard heating up more. I have no idea where that sensor is on the motherboard, the temps on heat sensitive components like VRMs might be lower than that, or they might be higher, I have no way to know.
I'm not sure how bad the heat is for the motherboard in the long run, or possibly if it's already shortened the lifespan of the components.
However, when I installed the new cooler, I noticed the motherboard was bowed in, going down in the center, as the Noctua backplate did not lay flat on the back, and I could clearly see that the entire motherboard was bent. I can't be sure if this is due to heat, but I assume it is, since it does get rather toasty here in the summer and I noticed the entire case was hot to the touch when the PC had been on for a while (not too hot to touch, but almost)
I hope it won't end up killing the motherboard, as it was a rather expensive motherboard (ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming)
I'm also a bit worried about the HDD in the front. The front of the case was also rather warm, although not as warm as the rest of it, I'm not exactly sure how tolerant HDDs are to heat but I believe it can be a killer.
I think I'll try using the Cryorig heatsink with the Noctua fan. And if the overall case, motherboard etc. temperatures are still worryingly high, I'll just remove the side panels for the summer.
I really want something equivalent to the Cooltek LP53 in performance, but with AM4 support. Are there any other coolers than the L9a (and L9i with bracket) and Cryorig C7 with AM4 support yet?
I'm also considering getting a custom side panel window made, although I have no idea what design to put on it, just that it has to have more vents than the Dan design, so the cooler gets more fresh air. I've seen the Doom inspired side panel, but has anyone else got custom side panel windows they've shown off or want to show off? I'd love some inspiration
Edit: I just now ran the same stress test again with the side panels off and the CPU temp stayed stable at 70C, package temp at 81C and motherboard temp at 52C. That's a lot more reasonable and tells me that a custom side panel could work great in reducing temps so it's definitely something I need to start looking into how to do.
The motherboard bending is not a good sign, remount your cooler with less tension on the screws.Fan ducts we’re just completed by a local printer! They used PETG.
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Yeah, I found the 120mm bracket on ebay. I mounted the ID Cooling Frostflow cooler with zip ties as the GALAX RTX 2060 Super uses non-standard mounting holes. The PSU is the 400w HDPLEX combo. If you look at the second and third picture you can see that I affixed the larger unit outside of the case and on to my desk.Ca11idus, this is really cool! Could you share some more design details? Which 120mm bracket, AIO, power supply?
Yeah, I found the 120mm bracket on ebay. I mounted the ID Cooling Frostflow cooler with zip ties as the GALAX RTX 2060 Super uses non-standard mounting holes. The PSU is the 400w HDPLEX combo. If you look at the second and third picture you can see that I affixed the larger unit outside of the case and on to my desk.
120mm Bracket
I used a 2" clamp with rubber pads to clamp the pump to the gpu. That let me apply enough pressure to get the zip ties tight enough.
Cool! How did you mount the 120mm bracket to the case? Have always wanted to try something like this in the A4... this bracket and the 400w HDPLEX, and your effort make it seem like it can be a reality!
This might be a longshot but does anyone have temp data with a 3950x in this thing?
With the cooler design on the founders edition cards, I doubt it will work even though the dimensions look OK. The cards have fans on both sides. The back one will exhaust hot air right into the PSU. The airflow will be quite horrible. Maybe reversing the PSU will help?3080 anyone? Specs say it will fit. who will be the first?
Jdbye you need a fan duct with the L9i/a, look at the following picture from another member, you can get the CAD design for the fan duct from DAN's wenbsite and you can have any local shop 3D print it for you.
The motherboard bending is not a good sign, remount your cooler with less tension on the screws.
As for the motherboard thermals your motherboard is one of the best ones and it can handle 65c, you can check this video out but it's a bit long:
There's a Thermalright AXP90 that performs quite well in the DAN A4 that you could look into.
The idea of a fan duct with the L9a/L9i is that it creates a tunnel between the fan and the side panel to reduce the effective gap between the fan and the side panel. The AXP90 is tall enough that you can't actually fit a fan duct, and also you don't need a fan duct.Thanks. I do have a 3D printer, but I don't love how the fan ducts look, covering up part of the RAM etc.
Is it best to use the AXP90 with the stock fan, or a Noctua? In terms of cooling and noise. I do rather like the orange fan on the AXP90 as most everything else in my case is black and I have orange accents on my CableMod cables as well. Could maybe print a fan duct in orange to go with it.
I also have a AXP100 fan I bought a while back but never used, that I could combine with almost any heatsink.
Edit: I found some mentions of the AXP90 on a German thread I translated with Google. It seems better than the L9a but might not be much of an improvement over the Cryorig C7 RGB I used before. I don't want to buy another cooler that ends up being a waste because it performs the same. So I'm still not sure if it's worth it.
I may need to pick up some PETG and print myself a fan duct. Only got PLA currently.
Edit2: I found more details over on smallformfactor.net. It's looking like the AXP90 is the best option for AM4 now and performs even better than the C7 Cu. Temps are not that much improved over L9a with fan duct though. I wonder, if I put a fan duct on the AXP90 temps should be even better right? But it may be tricky to attach, as the fan is not screwed in on the AXP90, so there is nothing to attach the fan duct with. Could always glue it onto the fan. Or maybe zip ties will work.
The A4 performs admirably well in terms of GPU thermals, as good as the GPU cooler allows. I doubt there will be a 3 slot version given Dan is working on the C4 which will sopport that, but it would be cool if he did, would be an easy modification I assume.Do we anticipate that DAN will update the A4 so as to accomodate three-slot cards?
If i'm honest, I'm also hoping for a new A4 case with stronger heat management credentials... so I'm quietly hoping that the case will grow in size for these three-slot cards, and then given that change has been made, room for two intake and two exhaust fans will be created / found - that an update of the case size in one dimension, will remove a barrier to update it in other dimensions.
You need either a different mother board or cooler. The MSI has a non standard back plate with 2 additonal cutouts for chips on the back of the board. The backplate used with the L9a would crush those components. So you either need a cooler that uses the included AM4 back plate or a different motherboard.Soda insurance has assured me additional payment of 950 Euro lightning damage only need the bill. I want to buy everything except nvidia 3700 and AMD I'm also waiting for GEN4 4700X ( 65 Watt CPU )
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=WL-1681706
1 Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB, M.2 (MZ-V7E1T0BW)
1 Crucial Ballistix black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36 (BL2K16G32C16U4B)
1 MSI MPG B550I Gaming Edge WIFI (7C92-002R)
1 Noctua NF-A9x14 PWM, 92mm
1 Noctua NF-A9x25 PWM, 92mm
1 Noctua NH-L9a-AM4
2 DAN Cases A4-SFX V4 black, Mini-ITX (A4SFXV4-B)
1 Corsair SF Series SF600 80 PLUS Platinum 600W SFX12V (CP-9020182-EU)
Can I buy this and it will fit without any problems ?I'm afraid that something won't fit. It would be nice if a connoisseur looks over it quickly.
Is that true with the window kit as well? As it makes the gap bigger.The idea of a fan duct with the L9a/L9i is that it creates a tunnel between the fan and the side panel to reduce the effective gap between the fan and the side panel. The AXP90 is tall enough that you can't actually fit a fan duct, and also you don't need a fan duct.
Thanks for the link. I was looking at buying it on SuperBuy, as I saw the eBay prices were $100+ and that seemed too much. Didn't even think to check AliExpress.https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4001...earchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
Here the Thermalright AXP90/R ( R is the AMD version, i is the Intel version ) is available for 41,97 + 3,74 shipped. Would you rather bet on this cooler + noctua Fan than on the NH-L9a-AM4. Will do my best to get the box quietly, especially if it's only for a few euros
It looks like no. They are all too thickAny guesses on whether a Nvidia 3070 might fit?
That motherboard looks like a very similar design to my ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming which the AXP90 is supposed to work with. It should fit, no guarantees though.I do not dare to order at the moment ...
https://geizhals.at/?cat=WL-1681706
1 AMD 4700x 65 Watt CPU
1 NVIDIA 3700 e.g. ( EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Gaming )
1 Thermalright AXP90/R Cooler
1 Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB, M.2 (MZ-V7E1T0BW)
1 Crucial Ballistix black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36 (BL2K16G32C16U4B)
1 MSI MPG B550I Gaming Edge WIFI (7C92-002R)
2 Noctua NF-A9x14 PWM, 92mm
1 Noctua NF-A9 PWM, 92mm
1 https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4001...earchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
1 DAN Cases A4-SFX V4 black, Mini-ITX (A4SFXV4-B)
1 Corsair SF Series SF600 80 PLUS Platinum 600W SFX12V (CP-9020182-EU)
in the english speaking forum I was recommended to turn the AXP90 90 degrees so that the fins seem to run parallel to the ram.
https://www.superbuy.com/en/page/buy?nTag=Home-search&from=search-input&url=https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?id=622663529490
But I have no idea if this will work and if the cooler will fit on the board at all. I would really like to order including Dan Case but I don't dare. Cooler in Asia order 35 days wait and notice that it does not fit together I do not want to experience this.
Can Dan or would confirm that the purchased cooler works from the top, will it work with good speeds that will be superior to the Noctua cooler?
Nice job scoring one, hope it fits with no problem.My EVGA 3080 XC3 Ultra just shipped today from EVGA.com -- I'll post some fitment pics ASAP!
case - Graphic cards support: Dual-Slot up to 295mm lengthThanks man. Total chance of the draw. I struck out at microcenter, newegg, and almost gave up on EVGA.com. It randomly loaded for me :/ It looks like it has shipped and will be here Tuesday. Hopefully I'll have some good news for DAN users.