DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Frenzy_ls

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Do we know if this Zotac AMP will fit in the Dan A4? It has a kinda large backplate.
I don't think it will fit with the backplate offset like that. There is only space for the PCIE riser itself, not much else.
Bit of a strange design from Zotac, unfortunate for our case's gpu layout.
I'm sure you can remove the backplate without much problem, but you might need new screws.
 

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Anyone know if any of the RX5700 AIB boards will fit in a Dan A4? All of the ones i've seen so far look to be wider than 2 slots.
 

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Anyone know if any of the RX5700 AIB boards will fit in a Dan A4? All of the ones i've seen so far look to be wider than 2 slots.
Good question. Due to new monitor, I'm looking to buy a RX 5700 XT AIB board myself. So far it seems the Asrock Challenger series and the MSI Ventus are 2 slots.
 

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So the Sapphire Pulse seems to have a height of 46mm. The dan cases website says, that card with a max width of 45mm (with backplate) will fit. So the Sapphire could maybe fit
 

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Hey helping friend build a Ryzen 3700x, MSI B450i in a dan case. What are the latest air cooling options where the case will fully close and easily handle the 3700x (not overclocked)
 

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Hey helping friend build a Ryzen 3700x, MSI B450i in a dan case. What are the latest air cooling options where the case will fully close and easily handle the 3700x (not overclocked)
Noctua NH-L9A is probably still the most popular, add a fan duct for better cooling.
 

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Hey helping friend build a Ryzen 3700x, MSI B450i in a dan case. What are the latest air cooling options where the case will fully close and easily handle the 3700x (not overclocked)
My 2c. Just did a build with the 3700x and NH-L9A (and Asus B450). So even the TDP is just "65W" in practice its still quite a hot chip difficult too cool well. I've re-seated my cooler 4 times to try different amount of thermal paste and techniques. The rice grain in the middle didnt work that well for me, got best result spreading it equally thin over the IHS. I was getting high idle temps ~65 C. Now my idle is around 50-55 C, but can ramp up quite suddenly. This is normal what i've read.

For Gaming the NH-L9A working fine (Witcher 3 / PUBG), the cores are running around 50% (mostly 4c8T), the CPU temp ~60C.
For rendering/productivity the NH-L9A is really maxxed out. Doing Cinebench R20 it ramps up to the throttle temp of 95C.

Going to get the fan duct for the NH-L9a. Alternative cooler would be the Alpenfohn, it might fair slightly better, but don't expect much.
I'm considering getting the Asetek AIO.

Reddit considering some teething/bios issues with 3700x.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g
 

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^^^

Kinda glad that I went with Asetek then. Even though I still that the L9a as a backup in my parts stash. Maybe I shouldn't have got it. :D
 

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My 2c. Just did a build with the 3700x and NH-L9A (and Asus B450). So even the TDP is just "65W" in practice its still quite a hot chip difficult too cool well. I've re-seated my cooler 4 times to try different amount of thermal paste and techniques. The rice grain in the middle didnt work that well for me, got best result spreading it equally thin over the IHS. I was getting high idle temps ~65 C. Now my idle is around 50-55 C, but can ramp up quite suddenly. This is normal what i've read.

For Gaming the NH-L9A working fine (Witcher 3 / PUBG), the cores are running around 50% (mostly 4c8T), the CPU temp ~60C.
For rendering/productivity the NH-L9A is really maxxed out. Doing Cinebench R20 it ramps up to the throttle temp of 95C.

Going to get the fan duct for the NH-L9a. Alternative cooler would be the Alpenfohn, it might fair slightly better, but don't expect much.
I'm considering getting the Asetek AIO.

Reddit considering some teething/bios issues with 3700x.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g
Thank you! Is the Asetek AIO considered the hands down, best cooling solution for the DAN case right now?

I'm thinking of pre ordering the new case and upgrading my V1 DAN, if so. Just for humor - I got so sick of heat issues with my cooljag modded cooler, dual noctua fans that I gathered all my old water cooling equipment and rigged the attached until I can find a solution. (9900k, 2080 ti)

IMG_20190825_144140[1].jpg IMG_20190825_144151[1].jpg
 

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My 2c. Just did a build with the 3700x and NH-L9A (and Asus B450). So even the TDP is just "65W" in practice its still quite a hot chip difficult too cool well. I've re-seated my cooler 4 times to try different amount of thermal paste and techniques. The rice grain in the middle didnt work that well for me, got best result spreading it equally thin over the IHS. I was getting high idle temps ~65 C. Now my idle is around 50-55 C, but can ramp up quite suddenly. This is normal what i've read.

For Gaming the NH-L9A working fine (Witcher 3 / PUBG), the cores are running around 50% (mostly 4c8T), the CPU temp ~60C.
For rendering/productivity the NH-L9A is really maxxed out. Doing Cinebench R20 it ramps up to the throttle temp of 95C.
Is this with stock voltages and PBO enabled/stock ?

I'm in the middle of considering a 3700X + NH-L9A + Dan A4 SFX myself and I'm just trying to figure out to expect.

I'm getting the sense that this setup is very borderline based on what I've been reading. Thinking of dropping to a 3600.
 

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Is this with stock voltages and PBO enabled/stock ?

I'm in the middle of considering a 3700X + NH-L9A + Dan A4 SFX myself and I'm just trying to figure out to expect.

I'm getting the sense that this setup is very borderline based on what I've been reading. Thinking of dropping to a 3600.

I've gone from a Black Ridge w/ A12x15 and VLP ram to L9a + duct on my Dan A4 so I could use faster RAM. I try to get low to mid 80s as a max temp when doing small FFTs on Prime 95. In both cases the only change I made was to turn on PBO and play around with max PPT as offset voltage isn't currently working on my Gigabyte b450 mini itx motherboard. For the black ridge I have to set PPT to 80W and to 75W the L9a to maintain the same temps.

I'm genuinely impressed by how close the L9a performs. Performance in games is better due to the faster RAM and the CPU never reaches it's max PPT in gaming. I haven't done much in the way of productivity but Cinebench scores are ~1% lower than stock with the Black Ridge and ~3% lower than stock with the L9a.
 

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Ordered my A4 v4 at Caseking w/ the black ridge on 4/8/2019 and 3 weeks later its still nowhere to be seen :|

am i stuck between the old and new v4.1 batch maybe?
 

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Hello guys!

I am thinking about buying the new graphics card: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER Armor 8G OC - card dimension is 250 x 129 x 44 mm

On DAN site I found this information about allowable dimension of the graphic card, but i don’t understand what the backplate is:

Height
From bottom of the PCIe®-Slot to top: 144 mm

Width
Without backplate: 40 mm
Including backplate: 45 mm

Length
Complete card incl. bracket: 306 mm
Without bracket: 295 mm

Could someone please tell me will this graphic card fit to my DAN-A4 case V2?
 

Dawelio

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Thank you very much!
I just did not understand what size (40 mm or 45 mm) I should compare the size of the graphics card.
In your post it says

"Width:

Without backplate: 40 mm and including backplate: 45 mm"

And your cards dimension is x 44 mm, hence it will fit by a single mm.
 
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What kind of Cinebench R20 scores are everybody getting with 3700X? Im getting around 4810 with Asrock B450 itx, PBO set at motherboard and 10X and auto OC at 200 with a 645LT.
 

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What kind of Cinebench R20 scores are everybody getting with 3700X? Im getting around 4810 with Asrock B450 itx, PBO set at motherboard and 10X and auto OC at 200 with a 645LT.
~4650 region i recall. 3700x / Asus B450 itx / NH-L9A going to 95degC near the end of the test. PBO is off, no OC.
 

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What kind of Cinebench R20 scores are everybody getting with 3700X? Im getting around 4810 with Asrock B450 itx, PBO set at motherboard and 10X and auto OC at 200 with a 645LT.
I've been getting in the 4700ish range generally. Gigabyte x570 itx, ABBA bios, no changes in bios for the CPU (did a lot of tweaking previously, but with all the bios flashing I've been doing, I can't be bothered to tweak it even more until the bios releases slow down)
 

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I have an A4-SFX v2 I've been putting off actually doing anything with, and a Cooltek LP53 I bought for the purpose, given that it was kind of difficult to find here (had to import it from eBay) I didn't want to wait until it was no longer available.

I bought it with Intel in mind but things have since changed. Would that be compatible with the AM4 platform?
Or if not, what's the next best option that's Ryzen compatible?
 
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Does anyone know if the Powercolor RX 5700XT Red Dragon fits in the case? It is a two slot card but looks a bit tall. Did anyone try it?
 

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Hi, I have a DanCase v4.1 on order and am prepping to do a custom acrylic window kit based on the template provided online. One question I have, the DanCase FAQ recommends M3 screws. Is there any experience in terms of what length to get, ie. 6mm or 8mm, etc?
 
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I completed my build in May 2017, and I’m unhappy with the CPU temp I’m seeing and the noise I’m getting:
  • v1.0 case
  • i7-7700k (duh)
  • EVGA GeForce 1080 Ti FTW3 (triple open cooler)
My questions:
  • Should I replace the CPU with one that’s TDP <= 65W? Or can I get there by flipping switches in UEFI?
  • Should I get an Alpenföhn Black Ridge for cooling?
  • I might upgrade to the v4.1 case. Should I get an AIO the CPU to tackle temp & noise problems?
Really open for any kind of advice.
 

rfarmer

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I completed my build in May 2017, and I’m unhappy with the CPU temp I’m seeing and the noise I’m getting:
  • v1.0 case
  • i7-7700k (duh)
  • EVGA GeForce 1080 Ti FTW3 (triple open cooler)
My questions:
  • Should I replace the CPU with one that’s TDP <= 65W? Or can I get there by flipping switches in UEFI?
  • Should I get an Alpenföhn Black Ridge for cooling?
  • I might upgrade to the v4.1 case. Should I get an AIO the CPU to tackle temp & noise problems?
Really open for any kind of advice.
Have you tried delidding the CPU? If not makes a huge difference, usually 15 - 20C improvement.
 

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I completed my build in May 2017, and I’m unhappy with the CPU temp I’m seeing and the noise I’m getting:
  • v1.0 case
  • i7-7700k (duh)
  • EVGA GeForce 1080 Ti FTW3 (triple open cooler)
My questions:
  • Should I replace the CPU with one that’s TDP <= 65W? Or can I get there by flipping switches in UEFI?
  • Should I get an Alpenföhn Black Ridge for cooling?
  • I might upgrade to the v4.1 case. Should I get an AIO the CPU to tackle temp & noise problems?
Really open for any kind of advice.
There's a setting in the UEFI where you can limit the power of the CPU and therefor the heat it generates. Look for "Long Power Duration" setting and set it to 95 or less. By default the CPU goes beyond it's actual TDP.
 

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I completed my build in May 2017, and I’m unhappy with the CPU temp I’m seeing and the noise I’m getting:
  • v1.0 case
  • i7-7700k (duh)
  • EVGA GeForce 1080 Ti FTW3 (triple open cooler)
My questions:
  • Should I replace the CPU with one that’s TDP <= 65W? Or can I get there by flipping switches in UEFI?
  • Should I get an Alpenföhn Black Ridge for cooling?
  • I might upgrade to the v4.1 case. Should I get an AIO the CPU to tackle temp & noise problems?
Really open for any kind of advice.
That cooler is mostly known for noise, when installed in the A4 SFX. Fan right up against the grill will result in noise. If you remove the side panel, and the noise goes away, then that is your answer.

CPU-side has an easy solution for the i7 7700k: the Noctua L9i with a fan duct (3D print one).
GPU, not so easy. I guess make sure your GPU has idle stop? I never got over it, so I ended up switching back to a Ncase M1. Still love the A4 SFX, though, so I'll find a way to use it again.
 
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Have you tried delidding the CPU? If not makes a huge difference, usually 15 - 20C improvement.
I haven’t, and I’m afraid of doing it :D

There's a setting in the UEFI where you can limit the power of the CPU and therefor the heat it generates. Look for "Long Power Duration" setting and set it to 95 or less. By default the CPU goes beyond it's actual TDP.
Thank you, will do!

That cooler is mostly known for noise, when installed in the A4 SFX. Fan right up against the grill will result in noise. If you remove the side panel, and the noise goes away, then that is your answer.

CPU-side has an easy solution for the i7 7700k: the Noctua L9i with a fan duct (3D print one).
GPU, not so easy. I guess make sure your GPU has idle stop? I never got over it, so I ended up switching back to a Ncase M1. Still love the A4 SFX, though, so I'll find a way to use it again.
I like the CPU solution! GPU does have idle stop and IMO has quite acceptable noise levels.
 
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Has anyone tried using der8auer's direct-die frame for 9th gen CPUs with a 9900K and an L9i? I'm trying to figure out if the L9i is compatible with the direct-die frame and I can't find that information anywhere...
 

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What are the maximum card dimensions for v2 of the Dan A4?

(The official website doesn't seem to list the dimensions of the older case models.)
 

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Pretty much the same dimensions, nothing changed.

I recently asked myself whether it would be beneficial to thermally connect the backplate of the GPU to the frame (middle wall) of the case. So that the case acts as a heatsink. Maybe i will test it
 

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Good question. Due to new monitor, I'm looking to buy a RX 5700 XT AIB board myself. So far it seems the Asrock Challenger series and the MSI Ventus are 2 slots.
So the Sapphire Pulse seems to have a height of 46mm. The dan cases website says, that card with a max width of 45mm (with backplate) will fit. So the Sapphire could maybe fit
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the Sapphire Pulse 5700 XT to fit in my new Dan A4-SFX v4.1. The heatsink shroud was just barely too big and prevented the card from seating without modification. I didn't feel like removing the backplate or modding the case as I'm building this for a friend and I don't want to nix the warranties. Is there a list of 5700 xt's here that will fit?

Edit: I decided to go with a blower style 5700xt (the XFX) to be safe as they all seem to be under 45mm width.
 
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I have a NF-A9-14 (92mm by 14mm) Noctua fan sitting at the front of my Dan A4 v2 case, so beneath the PSU. It blows air, up into the case, having sucked it through the bottom of the case.

Is there also room for one of these fans (or another fan, if slimmer, or smaller, with different dimensions entirely) at the back of the case, above the GPU and CPU, and the PCIe riser / extension cables?

I can't seem to fit the NF-A9-14 above the GPU, but maybe I'm just doing something wrong.
 

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I started to piece together a Dan A4 build..

Got a 4.1 Dan A4 Case for Christmas, 1TB Samsung 970 Evo, and Corsair SFF 600watt as well as G.Skill Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) as gifts

So its a solid foundation to my build just need cpu, mb, and cooler.

was going to go with the 3800x and Aorus x570 PRO WIFI, with asetek AIO but i think im going to have to sell the ram and spend more to get LPX if i go the AIO route.
 

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I started to piece together a Dan A4 build..

Got a 4.1 Dan A4 Case for Christmas, 1TB Samsung 970 Evo, and Corsair SFF 600watt as well as G.Skill Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) as gifts

So its a solid foundation to my build just need cpu, mb, and cooler.

was going to go with the 3800x and Aorus x570 PRO WIFI, with asetek AIO but i think im going to have to sell the ram and spend more to get LPX if i go the AIO route.
Very nice! My previous build was with the Ncase. I now have the Phanteks Evolv X case with my current rig.
 

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So, after looking around a bit, it seems like the only cooler for AMD that will fit in such a small case is the Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 and the L9i seems to be supported as well (but the two are nearly identical)
Is that still the case or are there better options now?
I was really hoping to utilize the maximum amount of space for the cooler, to help noise and also to help overclocking later down the road.
For Intel there are far more options, but then the 7nm Zen 2 is much more power efficient than Intel currently, so it may not even matter. It might overclock just as well as Intel does with a larger cooler thanks to the lower TDP.
But at least Noctua are making a black version of the L9i now (thanks LTT!) as I really was not keen on that beige fan.
I am not expecting amazing thermals either way so overclocking will probably be limited. Just not sure which option to go with.

Also, kind of an unrelated question, but how hot does the exhaust from the CPU get? In the event I decided to 3D print a shroud, would PLA (which starts deforming above like 60C) be good enough?

Pretty much the same dimensions, nothing changed.

I recently asked myself whether it would be beneficial to thermally connect the backplate of the GPU to the frame (middle wall) of the case. So that the case acts as a heatsink. Maybe i will test it
Most likely you won't notice much difference as GPU backplates do very little for cooling as it is.
 
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Has anyone seen any temp testing where they ran a Platinum rated Corsair SFX PSU vs a Gold rated SFX PSU in an otherwise identical setup with this case?
 

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Has anyone seen any temp testing where they ran a Platinum rated Corsair SFX PSU vs a Gold rated SFX PSU in an otherwise identical setup with this case?
No direct vs eachother, but Johnyguru has pretty in-depth reviews of both. You can compare the reviews as they follow the same structure, in particular the load testing results. He does refer to the gold in the platinum review to some degree.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2016/07/04/corsair-sf600-gold-power-supply/

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/11/06/corsair-sf600-platinum-power-supply/

*note. Just looking at the hot load testing intake/exhaust temps seems an error in the exhaust of sf600 gold.
So only of limited use for your question unfortunately. In general you can read the reviews of improvements gold vs platinum. Also different cables provided with the platinum i believe.


In my similar situation: For my new DAN A4 build was reviewing suitable PSU's. My Ncase M1 has a Silverstone SFX 450 gold and have another Silverstone ML08 case with Silverstone SFX-L 500. For the A4 wanted to stick with SFX to remain having the AIO option. Further semi-passive mode highly desired, this was the main gripe i had with my Silverstone SFX-450 (1st model year so getting 'old').
In choosing between the two Corsair SFX's, I was mainly interested in the noise behavior. Platinum might sound better on paper, but could have a more aggressive fan curve at higher load.
I went with the platinum, very happy with the build, super quiet.

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