DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

mirgus said:
Why dont buy a fan adapter? Its cheaper then 3D print services, looks better and is easy to modify. U can easily grind down a fan adapter to the right hight with sandpaper

https://shop.bitspower.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_133&product_id=288
https://shop.bitspower.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_133&product_id=3896
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The 3D printed adapters I designed mate to the C7 without modifications or zip ties.

How do you think the user would mount the 120mm fan to the C7 with the products you listed?

On an off note, I would not recommend the 120mm overall as most of the airflow generated is on the tips.
 
tenrose said:
Got Windows installed on my new build last night (finally). No GPU yet but I performed a Prime95 stress on the CPU:

i7 7700K 4.2GHz
Cryorig C7 w/ 120mm Noctua 15mm
97C (yikes)

Underclocked the CPU to a measly 4.0GHz and it now sits at 80C under maximum load. A delid should get me a bit more performance but overall I'm happy with those results. Will have to retest once I've got a GPU in the machine.
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Your fan is too big. The NF-A9x14 (92mm) Noctua fan will have better temps.
 
I have been seeing some builds on the Dan case and cpu Temps get me worried. I am really wanting to migrate my build to a v3 Dan case.
My current build is in a Silverstone Ml08. I have a 8700 non k and a scythe big Shuriken 2 Rev b with a thermalright ty14013 fan.

While gaming, my cpu boosts all cores to the maximum and stays below 60 degrees.

Would moving my build to a Dan Case with a cryorig c7 or Ar11 result in those above 80 degrees temperatures I see posted here and on reddit?

Cheers
 
gdourado said:
I have been seeing some builds on the Dan case and cpu Temps get me worried. I am really wanting to migrate my build to a v3 Dan case.
My current build is in a Silverstone Ml08. I have a 8700 non k and a scythe big Shuriken 2 Rev b with a thermalright ty14013 fan.

While gaming, my cpu boosts all cores to the maximum and stays below 60 degrees.

Would moving my build to a Dan Case with a cryorig c7 or Ar11 result in those above 80 degrees temperatures I see posted here and on reddit?

Cheers
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Yes. You will not get anywhere near the cooling with air coolers that fit in this case. And with water coolers, you'll have all the fun little issues with things besides the CPU heating up. The best setups (imo) are the ones with air coolers and CPUs running at stock power draw. I run the 8700 myself and wrestled my asus board into actually running it in stock config and temps are never an issue. But that's 65W TDP so it should never be an issue with any of these coolers or even the stock one. If you want to push it harder than that, you have this whole hundreds-page long thread filled with examples of how people have dealt with higher TDPs to refer to. But honestly, if you want to push your CPU I really would not recommend this case. I would wait for Dan's next case which will actually be designed around water cooling, just a bit bigger, and much better for the purpose. This case is gloriously tiny but thermals are ... difficult.
 
gdourado said:
I have been seeing some builds on the Dan case and cpu Temps get me worried. I am really wanting to migrate my build to a v3 Dan case.
My current build is in a Silverstone Ml08. I have a 8700 non k and a scythe big Shuriken 2 Rev b with a thermalright ty14013 fan.

While gaming, my cpu boosts all cores to the maximum and stays below 60 degrees.

Would moving my build to a Dan Case with a cryorig c7 or Ar11 result in those above 80 degrees temperatures I see posted here and on reddit?

Cheers
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Seems like you've already done your research, and know the answer already.
Your CPU wlll be warmer in the A4 than the ML08. Most heat problems are incorrectly installed heatsinks, and also from hot air being recirculated within the A4. Getting a duct will help the C7 fan pull cold air from outside the case.
 
hi guys !! I have some questions if anyone can help me that be great.

I plan on buying the A4-sfx v3 and a new RTX 2080ti and most likely going to need a sfx-l 800w to power the dam thing 130mm depth.

now I was thinking of using a AIO to cool the cpu and Dan website recommends a 92mm aio and 120mm aio comes with gpu restrictions now I am a little confused trying to work it all out as I am dyslexic so bare with me.

will the 120mm aio Silverstone slim still have the same GPU restrictions ? or will a full length RTX 2080ti still fit? I am considering the Asus Turbo model the blower fan if that helps ( dimensions of that gpu 26.9 x 11.4 x 4.2cm ) the 120mm aio slim with fan total thickness is 37mm
 
gdourado said:
I have been seeing some builds on the Dan case and cpu Temps get me worried. I am really wanting to migrate my build to a v3 Dan case.
My current build is in a Silverstone Ml08. I have a 8700 non k and a scythe big Shuriken 2 Rev b with a thermalright ty14013 fan.

While gaming, my cpu boosts all cores to the maximum and stays below 60 degrees.

Would moving my build to a Dan Case with a cryorig c7 or Ar11 result in those above 80 degrees temperatures I see posted here and on reddit?

Cheers
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You will never get 60 degrees in this case while gaming at full tilt. If you really go all out and de-lid, use a shroud/vent/duct or whatever, remove the I/O, buy the right mobo and optimize airflow and all of that, get lucky with a good chip, you maaaaybe could see high 70's low 80's. Check out the huge google spreadsheet available in this thread showing the hundreds of sample temps for high end rigs and look at what people had to do to shave a handful of degrees off their temps.

I personally don't care about higher temps other than the noise it generates. And your GPU is going to be way louder than the CPU fan when gaming anyway.
 
I'm pretty sure the Asetek smashes it, though I don't recall how much. It was going by what other folks had recorded and while the C7 Cu wasn't around at that time, it's not the upgrade to previous air coolers like the Asetek was
 
By the way, Kyle's build perfectly illustrates why ribbon-style cables are better for SFF than individually sleeved cables. They are way less bulky. His cable management was excellent to prevent the cables from interfering with the 92mm fan. If those had been individually sleeved cables, there would have been a lot more bulk and interference, and would have prevented him from using a longer GPU with that same style of cable management. So I'm not happy that Corsair is going to sleeved cables for their new SF series. What they needed was way less stiff cables, but still ribbon-style.
 
Mr-S said:
hi guys !! I have some questions if anyone can help me that be great.

I plan on buying the A4-sfx v3 and a new RTX 2080ti and most likely going to need a sfx-l 800w to power the dam thing 130mm depth.

now I was thinking of using a AIO to cool the cpu and Dan website recommends a 92mm aio and 120mm aio comes with gpu restrictions now I am a little confused trying to work it all out as I am dyslexic so bare with me.

will the 120mm aio Silverstone slim still have the same GPU restrictions ? or will a full length RTX 2080ti still fit? I am considering the Asus Turbo model the blower fan if that helps ( dimensions of that gpu 26.9 x 11.4 x 4.2cm ) the 120mm aio slim with fan total thickness is 37mm
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You will never fit a SFX-L PSU with the 92mm AIO, it barely fits with the SFX PSU. In order to use a 120mm AIO you have 2 choices, you either use an itx size graphic card (175mm) or you use a HDPlex instead of the SFX. There are no itx 1080 Ti so I doubt there will be any 2080 Ti ones and the current state of HDPlex you cannot power a 8700k + 1080 Ti so the 2080 Ti will be even worse.
 
rfarmer said:
You will never fit a SFX-L PSU with the 92mm AIO, it barely fits with the SFX PSU. In order to use a 120mm AIO you have 2 choices, you either use an itx size graphic card (175mm) or you use a HDPlex instead of the SFX. There are no itx 1080 Ti so I doubt there will be any 2080 Ti ones and the current state of HDPlex you cannot power a 8700k + 1080 Ti so the 2080 Ti will be even worse.
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Thank you for clearing that up for me :) Nvidia states the RTX 2080ti will need 650w so my only option will be the sfx-l psu.

So my best option should be a full copper cooler such as the c7 cu that give me a tdp of 115 unless you guys have a better recommendation?
http://www.cryorig.com/c7cu.php
 
Mr-S said:
Thank you for clearing that up for me :) Nvidia states the RTX 2080ti will need 650w so my only option will be the sfx-l psu.

So my best option should be a full copper cooler such as the c7 cu that give me a tdp of 115 unless you guys have a better recommendation?
http://www.cryorig.com/c7cu.php
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A lot of people think that nVidia is just being conservative with their power requirements. This is what is listed for the EVGA 2080 Ti:
650-Watt or greater power supply.
PCI Express, PCI Express 2.0 or PCI Express 3.0 compliant motherboard with one graphics slot.
Two available 8-pin or 6+2-pin PCI-E power dongles.
Total Power Draw: 250 Watts.

The 2080 is the same except for 210 watt power draw. I can guarantee you the rest of your system is not pulling 400 watts. 600 watt SFX PSU will be more than sufficient.
 
Also remember manufacturers need to account for people using generally crappy/generic PSUs, so recommended PSUs are always much higher than what you actually need to run it. You can run the 2080 ti with a standard desktop CPU (consumer not HEDT) quite easily on an quality SFX 450 if you really wanted to.
 
ReaperX22 said:
Also remember manufacturers need to account for people using generally crappy/generic PSUs, so recommended PSUs are always much higher than what you actually need to run it. You can run the 2080 ti with a standard desktop CPU (consumer not HEDT) quite easily on an quality SFX 450 if you really wanted to.
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Exactly, there is a guy over at SFF with a 8700k and 1080 Ti that regularly monitors his power usage. He stated the highest he has seen is 330 watts.

But if you are really worried about it Silverstone has a 650 watt SFX PSU.
 
and what about all the people with stability issues and having to underclock to get it sorted? what about spikes/surges on the gpu? just stick to the recommended.
 
pendragon1 said:
and what about all the people with stability issues and having to underclock to get it sorted? what about spikes/surges on the gpu? just stick to the recommended.
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i Have always believed not to cut corners on the PSU , Nvidia recommends 650w for the GPU so to allow myself the extra headroom I thought the sfx-l 800w would be a safe bet to power the entire system with out issue.

Asus RTX 2080 TI turbo is not overclocked like the founders edition but also I have not seen any power requirements for that yet so I am just placing a safe bet atm
 
I agree not to cut corners on PSUs. But we often greatly exaggerate the wattage requirement.. Just remember it's also not always the most important metric of a PSU.

I worked at an Online tech retailer, and the amount of people sending through their 'hey is this a good list' with a standard i5, mid range card, and a 1000w+ psu in a standard ATX format was insane.

Either way I think the 600w variants for any single-GPU system is more than enough. 800w is just overkill IMO.
 
ReaperX22 said:
I agree not to cut corners on PSUs. But we often greatly exaggerate the wattage requirement.. Just remember it's also not always the most important metric of a PSU.

I worked at an Online tech retailer, and the amount of people sending through their 'hey is this a good list' with a standard i5, mid range card, and a 1000w+ psu in a standard ATX format was insane.

Either way I think the 600w variants for any single-GPU system is more than enough. 800w is just overkill IMO.
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Well silverstone do a 650w SFX PSU and that would allow me enough space for a 92mm Aio.
Be nice for Asus to release some recommended power requirements
 
Ok checking some online power calculators and they are suggesting 515w as recommended so a 650w SFX should be more then enough
 
I will admit this RTX launch has felt very cloack and dagger, demos done on incompleted game code with Alpha drivers so terrible FPS demonstration at 1080p with ray tracing on and just days later after the back lash Nvidia released performance benchmarks showing 1.5x - 2x performance over the 1080 but no Mention of the setup that achieved this result with no note of FPS at 4K that these results where suppose to achieve. So I am very sceptical atm

But my current system is running the original haswel i5 3ghz and a gtx 980 and it’s starting to show it’s age :(
 
The released benchmarks are crap...
First there are some HDR benchmarks. Its known that the 1080 is at least 10% slower using HDR. The RTX series probably hasnt the problem anymore..
Second the benched the 1080 @ 4k. The performance impact on a GTX 1080 @ 4k is much higher then on lower resolutions. So the benched the worst possible perofmance achievable with a 1080 and compared it to the new RTX, which hasnt any perfomance problems @ 4k and HDR

RTX will be at best 30% faster... even if the are 50% faster, the RTX series is still to expensive for the perfomance they deliver.. at the actual price they should be at least 80% faster then the GTX series.
 
The official specs say the maximum gpu length for the dan case is 295mm.
On the new 2080ti cards, the MSI Duke is 314 and the Gigabyte Windforce is not declared yet, but looking at it, it may be longer.
That just leaves the EVGA at 270mm to fit the dan case, but the EVGA is more expensive.
Since the 2080ti is already crazy expensive, I wasn't looking to add another premium to get the EVGA card.
Is 295mm the absolute limit of the case?

Cheers!
 
mirgus said:
The released benchmarks are crap...
First there are some HDR benchmarks. Its known that the 1080 is at least 10% slower using HDR. The RTX series probably hasnt the problem anymore..
Second the benched the 1080 @ 4k. The performance impact on a GTX 1080 @ 4k is much higher then on lower resolutions. So the benched the worst possible perofmance achievable with a 1080 and compared it to the new RTX, which hasnt any perfomance problems @ 4k and HDR

RTX will be at best 30% faster... even if the are 50% faster, the RTX series is still to expensive for the perfomance they deliver.. at the actual price they should be at least 80% faster then the GTX series.
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Yeah, the RTX value proposition makes no sense. You can get a couple used 1080TIs and still have a few hundred left over to just throw out your window, and a 1080 or TI are going to play most anything available for the next couple years. I am sure the RTX lines will offer some advantages in the 4K space, but I just can't support Nvidias price point.
 
We just need to wait and see benchmarck.
Then depending on your need you can décid.
If you fully focus on 4k 2080ti might do it. Ifyou focus on 1080 the 1080ti might be the best.

A part of me do hope that those 2080ti don t get super succesful. Those price need the consumer to react and show that they're not ready to pay that much.
 
ranix said:
We just need to wait and see benchmarck.
Then depending on your need you can décid.
If you fully focus on 4k 2080ti might do it. Ifyou focus on 1080 the 1080ti might be the best.

A part of me do hope that those 2080ti don t get super succesful. Those price need the consumer to react and show that they're not ready to pay that much.
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Yep, even if the 20xx series are hugely powerful, I hope they don't see the sales numbers they want. I am fine with a company making a profit, but there's nothing about these prices that make sense.

On NVidia's store you can still pre-order the 2080 and it still has a September ship date, where the 2080TI eventually got updated to October as they sold out.

I am really hoping that means the... special people... got the 2080TI but they aren't seeing enough people willing to dump money on the 2080.
 
mirgus said:
The released benchmarks are crap...
First there are some HDR benchmarks. Its known that the 1080 is at least 10% slower using HDR. The RTX series probably hasnt the problem anymore..
Second the benched the 1080 @ 4k. The performance impact on a GTX 1080 @ 4k is much higher then on lower resolutions. So the benched the worst possible perofmance achievable with a 1080 and compared it to the new RTX, which hasnt any perfomance problems @ 4k and HDR

RTX will be at best 30% faster... even if the are 50% faster, the RTX series is still to expensive for the perfomance they deliver.. at the actual price they should be at least 80% faster then the GTX series.
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Remember back when each generation only improved frame rates by 10-15%? Pascal spoiled us.
 
gdourado said:
The official specs say the maximum gpu length for the dan case is 295mm.
On the new 2080ti cards, the MSI Duke is 314 and the Gigabyte Windforce is not declared yet, but looking at it, it may be longer.
That just leaves the EVGA at 270mm to fit the dan case, but the EVGA is more expensive.
Since the 2080ti is already crazy expensive, I wasn't looking to add another premium to get the EVGA card.
Is 295mm the absolute limit of the case?

Cheers!
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https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/TURBO-RTX2080TI-11G/specifications/

Rtx 2080ti Turbo should fit according to ASUS it’s 269mm
 
gdourado said:
My current 1080ti is a blower cooler model and I don't ever want to get close to one ever again.
It is loud and hot as hell! With the 2080ti I am definitely going open air cooler.
Probably the gigabyte windforce oc that is two slot thick and 3 fans.
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I got the Gigabyte gtx 980 with the blower and mine runs fine.
Asus is known for quality so I am confident in their design. It would be nice to see some benchmarks first
 
gdourado said:
My current 1080ti is a blower cooler model and I don't ever want to get close to one ever again.
It is loud and hot as hell! With the 2080ti I am definitely going open air cooler.
Probably the gigabyte windforce oc that is two slot thick and 3 fans.
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Yeah, same. I have the Ti FE blower cooler and it is crazy loud.
 
Larry Hard said:
Themalright AXP-100 Full Copper

Hi,
what do you think about this brandnew copper cooler? And will it fit?

http://thermalright.com/product/axp-100-full-copper/

My Dan A4 V2 is still lying around because I haven't found a sufficient cooling solution. 7700K delidded, 1080Ti, Asus 270-i. My experience with water cooling has been an unbearable pump noise (Corsair H70).
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I'm using the 8700k (not delidded) in my v2 with the Asetek 545LC. I've found to run the CPU at any reasonable temperature I needed to run a voltage offset of -0.100V / 100Mv and limit the Max TDP of the chip within the Intel Extreme Overclocking utility to 100 Watts. This does drop core frequency to 4.3 across all cores when under a synthetic stress test in Aida 64 but temps hovered around 80 max.
 
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