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jenosmaverick said:
D10S Am just starting build up a pc since i've been with laptops for a decade How's the temps compared without the fans under the mobo? Slight or huge decrease in temps? Thanks :)
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It's really important on my rig, my mobo need it a lot, and m2 behind mobo too!
Works fine!
 
dondan said:
dglow: No Type-C is only the connector. USB3.0 = USB 3.1gen1 and the fast one is USB 3.1 gen2. Some modern smartphones have a Type-C connector with a USB 2.0 controller chip behind it. A Type-C port say nothing over the speed.
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Right, I was recalling a requirement that PC-mounted Type-C ports only serve USB spec 3.1 or greater. Perhaps I misremember, or this was a recommendation and not required.

Due to Apple everyone think Type-C means USB3.1 gen2 + Thunderbolt 3 and Power Output. And this is the reason why I never would add a Type-C plug without the new USB3.1 gen2 internal header (Key-A-20pin)
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I think this is more on Intel. Apple's first Type-C port did not include Thunderbolt. Intel, by withholding gen2 speeds from its chipsets, pushed OEMs to provide gen2 via their Alpine Ridge controllers which, it just so happens, also provide Thunderbolt.

TL;DR: if you want gen2 USB from Intel, you have to buy a Thunderbolt controller.
 
Yeah, if you take a look at Asus's spec sheet the front panel USB Type C is running through an ASMedia controller:

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I'm going to go ahead and say we won't see USB 3.1 Gen 2 headers (and by extension, front panel Type C) standard on motherboards until intel integrates it into their chipsets.
 
jenosmaverick said:
Is it possible to cram 2 92mm fans below(under psu and under mobo) Thanks
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You can have a standard 92x25mm fan under PSU there is already made mounting for that in V2, you can also have a 92x14mm fan under the mobo/riser, tho you have to be very carefull not to break the risers soldering points.
Try go up some post/pages i think it was D10S who had cramped a fan below the mobo.
 
Sebbie
Saw his post already. I asked since I haven't seen anyone do it yet and was thinking it might not be possible. I'm really a newb into modding.
 
Sebbie said:
I do not think its worth "trying" to cramp the 92mm fan down below the mobo and risk destroying the riser.
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I believe that we should never do things that we do not feel like doing!

I repeat, a risk of compromising the riser or worse still the motherboard is,
you have to be very delicate in handling the riser and when you screw the mobo,
you have to be very careful because it will beat slightly on the fan, but I have it mounted and like me also other!
(among the options also put the one that breaks the fan, but that, of the three, would be the least damage!)

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will i okay running without a 92mm intake fan?
i5 7600 stock
cyrorig c7
1060 3gb
960 evo ssd
 
antok86 said:
will i okay running without a 92mm intake fan?
i5 7600 stock
cyrorig c7
1060 3gb
960 evo ssd
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Honestly, you guys must understand that I move on a different platform:
- the X299 motherboard generates a lot of heat
- if you put the two M2 behind the motherboard, they suffer a lot behind, one of them is just behind the PCBs, suffers more
- i9 CPUs to be mounted on this motherboard, generate much more heat than i5 i7 etc of Z platforms...
So to dispel all this heat, something needs to be done, in our case.
From what I see are very few who have mounted a 92 below, someone has put an 80, but most have nothing and are happy
So the answer is:
YES, you can feel comfortable even without a 92mm down there!
 
antok86 said:
will i okay running without a 92mm intake fan?
i5 7600 stock
cyrorig c7
1060 3gb
960 evo ssd
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If you have the V2 and not using the drivebays i recommend using a 92mm under the PSU getting as much airflow in the case is Always nice :)
 
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Well I just ordered a Be quiet 92mm as I wanted a complete dark theme build (don't wanna paint the noctua). I'll just let a friend of mine(custom pc builder) take a look and see what can we do about cooling. Imma start my build after holy week with a 8600k can't wait for my 2600x my laptop is seriously failing me at gaming. Thanks :D

Edit: wow first time I saw 2 fans below!! Would let my friend really take a good look into this and we might actually try it with his expertise of course.
 
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jenosmaverick said:
Well I just ordered a Be quiet 92mm as I wanted a complete dark theme build (don't wanna paint the noctua). I'll just let a friend of mine(custom pc builder) take a look and see what can we do about cooling. Imma start my build after holy week with a 8600k can't wait for my 2600x my laptop is seriously failing me at gaming. Thanks :D

Edit: wow first time I saw 2 fans below!! Would let my friend really take a good look into this and we might actually try it with his expertise of course.
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Under the mobo you need a 14mm tall fan, i don't know if the Be Quiet or other brand have it...
All we know how god is this NF-A9x14, but you must paint it black! ;)
 
Sebbie said:
You can have a standard 92x25mm fan under PSU there is already made mounting for that in V2, you can also have a 92x14mm fan under the mobo/riser, tho you have to be very carefull not to break the risers soldering points.
Try go up some post/pages i think it was D10S who had cramped a fan below the mobo.
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It was my original idea to cram a 92mm slim fan below the mobo.
Honestly, just take the riser off the case, it's just 2 simple screws. Fit it back in when you are done installing the fan. Are people seriously trying to cram in a fan with the rise cable on? *facepalm*
 
Kreyyr said:
I do have an Akasa 80mm Slim fan underneath the mobo but to be honest temps didn't improve significantly - maybe 1-3°C.
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3C is a lot in SFFPC lol. Every degree counts when you are aiming for that ultimate crammage
 
seamon said:
Is that a Noctua NF-A12x15? I have found that 2.5W NF-A9x14 keeps the CPU cooler when using a Dynatron or just use a TY-100 for best performance
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Yes it is, in my test 5 degree better this than A9x14, I probably did something wrong with my tests...
I'm on Dynatron, fan TY-100 ...never used, would you recommend it instead of noctua?
 
D10S said:
Yes it is, in my test 5 degree better this than A9x14, I probably did something wrong with my tests...
I'm on Dynatron, fan TY-100 ...never used, would you recommend it instead of noctua?
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Are you sure you used the 2.5W version of the NF-A9x14 and not the 1.4W version of NF-A9x14? The 2.5W version comes bundled with Noctua NH-L9i and spins faster. The 1.4W version comes when you buy the fan retail

In my testing on a core i7 6850K OC'd to 3.9Ghz and stressed with AIDA64
Thermalright TY-100(84-85C) > 2.5W NF-A9x14(87C) > NF-A12x15(92C). All fans were attached using fan clips.

The problem with NF-A12x15 is that its motor hub is too large and blocks a lot of heatsink area.
 
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seamon said:
Are you sure you used the 2.5W version of the NF-A9x14 and not the 1.4W version of NF-A9x14? The 2.5W version comes bundled with Noctua NH-L9i and spins faster. The 1.4W version comes when you buy the fan retail

In my testing on a core i7 6850K OC'd to 3.9Ghz and stressed with AIDA64
Thermalright TY-100(84-85C) > 2.5W NF-A9x14(87C) > NF-A12x15(92C). All fans were attached using fan clips.

The problem with NF-A12x15 is that its motor hub is too large and blocks a lot of heatsink area.
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Retail (y)

...so to get a 2.5 noctua or this ty 100 should I buy the whole cooler? :cry:
 
D10S said:
Retail (y)

...so to get a 2.5 noctua or this ty 100 should I buy the whole cooler? :cry:
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You can't get the NF-A9x14 2.5W version without buying the whole NH-L9i cooler.

You can get TY-100 alone by contacting Thermalright.

NF-A9x14 2.5 is the best compromise between noise and cooling performance imo
 
seamon said:
You can't get the NF-A9x14 2.5W version without buying the whole NH-L9i cooler.

You can get TY-100 alone by contacting Thermalright.

NF-A9x14 2.5 is the best compromise between noise and cooling performance imo
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TY...is 120 or 140?
 
seamon said:
It's 100mm with 92mm mounts
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Ok, thanks a lot for all your info m8, if i can, i'll try to go with the noctua 2.5 to make a test.(y)
To be honest, i'm really happy with this A12, i think it works on VRM heatsink too,
...but 5 degrees better on your X99 test... tell me that i should try ! ;)

p.s.: on which cooler is the Thermal bundled for sale? Is it much noisier than noctua?
 
D10S said:
Ok, thanks a lot for all your info m8, if i can, i'll try to go with the noctua 2.5 to make a test.(y)
To be honest, i'm really happy with this A12, i think it works on VRM heatsink too,
...but 5 degrees better on your X99 test... tell me that i should try ! ;)

p.s.: on which cooler is the Thermal bundled for sale? Is it much noisier than noctua?
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No need to buy heatsink for TY-100, you can order TY-100 directly from Thermalright, just contact them

It is slightly more noisy than the Noctua but it's not too bad
 
So well my first post here but lurking around for longer than I thought I would.

Anyway I decided to build my first pc since when I saw the DAN A4 I thought this is the case I waited for. I helped building a lot of PC's but there weren't any oh so interesting ones out there. Till now. Case is pre-ordered so that's that.


Anyway I have some questions about parts to use and I hope maybe some of you might have some answers. Already dug around the primary threads here, sff forums, german sites, etc. but I found some inconsistent information and so forth so yeah.

It is mainly about the mainboard and the cooltek lp53.

I would prefer the asus z370i over the asrock fatal1ty z370 since the location of the m.2 slot (front vs. back mainly) but some posts claim the cooltek lp53 is incompatbile with the asus z370i while other say it is perfectly fine though cramped. (well the whole case is kinda cramped so yeah....). Does anyone has hands on experience with this situation.

Background: I don't really want to meddle with the mainboard and heatsinks on it all that much.


My build should be looking like that:

1) i7-8700
2) Cooltek LP53 +Noctua A9x14 or the Noctua Nh-L9i
3) Asus z370i (or the Asrock z370)
4) 2x8GB corsair vengeance lpx
5) EVGA 1080 or Zotac 1080 - depends on the price in may/june
6) Corsair SF600 (or maybe a SF450 as it should be enough for the sake of this build and the general use).
7) 1xSamsung 960 EVO 500 GB M.2 for the time being and a 2,5'' SSD if it is free to use at the moment the case is built.

I'm not really fond of placing another m.2 on the back with the ventilation within the case so again... would prefer the asus. Also I'm using asus since a few years so I got kinda used to it.

If you have any recommendations on what to change, feel free to post it. Also thank you in advance.
 
I tried the noctua b9 on my l9i (it looks cool) and as other's have said before, it's no good compared to the stock a9x14 2.5k rpm.

It's a bit louder at 1.6k rpm than the a9 is at 2.5k rpm because of how close it is to the side panel, and it's also 4-5c hotter at medium-high load when both fans are at max rpm.

Running both fans at the same rpm, the a9 is much quieter.
 
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dondan said:
I am thinking of adding a 92mm fan bracket and moving the motherboard 5mm down.
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Will this change be included in the v3 of the case?

If so, I'm suddenly more interested.

I ask because I want to be able to fit a second fan in the case - one intake at the bottom-front, and one exhaust at the top-back... or something similar.
 
Woah that 92mm fan above is really a very nice option!! Would prolly provide the much needed cooling especially now that chips are getting more cores and are generally getting hotter.
 
No the top fan option will not be included because there is not enough space for it. Maybe i will make some changes on the case on a future revision to support it.
 
dondan said:
No the top fan option will not be included because there is not enough space for it. Maybe i will make some changes on the case on a future revision to support it.
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What about a way to mount an akasa slim 80mm fan? Might be nearly as good as the noctua, it's not pushing air though a heatsink, just some vent holes.
 
dondan said:
No the top fan option will not be included because there is not enough space for it. Maybe i will make some changes on the case on a future revision to support it.
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Down fan option works (y)
if you have to make some changes, raise a few millimeters but do not lower
( IMO )
 
so you guys running noctua heatsinks do you get alot of fan noise after closing the side panel? i get alot of wind cutting noise going through the side panel with my cryorig c7. i think it being too close to the side panel. just curious
 
antok86 said:
so you guys running noctua heatsinks do you get alot of fan noise after closing the side panel? i get alot of wind cutting noise going through the side panel with my cryorig c7. i think it being too close to the side panel. just curious
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I don't think that the L9i is any different noisewise with or without the side panel on. Probably quieter with the panel on I'd say.

People have had good results with the noctua fan on the C7 heatsink though, you could try that too.
 
richiegore said:
I don't think that the L9i is any different noisewise with or without the side panel on. Probably quieter with the panel on I'd say.

People have had good results with the noctua fan on the C7 heatsink though, you could try that too.
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I actually had 6-8 degree worse temp installing my Noctua, so i switched back to the cryorig,
I dunno why everyone says the cryorig fan is loud, ye ofc its loud if you set it to 100%.
Mine is at 25% and its inaudblie
 
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