DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Sorry guys I must leave this here very quick.

Today I got the Lian Li samples and currently my system is running Prime95 with a crazy room temp of 25°C.

The copper edition with the thermalright 100mm fan perform nearly on the same level as the Asetek AIO with a room temp of 21°C. So the HSLP-48 is 3°C better as the AIO and 13°C better as the Dynatron T318.

Now It will try 4Ghz XD

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dondan said:
Sorry guys I must leave this here very quick.

Today I got the Lian Li samples and currently my system is running Prime95 with a crazy room temp of 25°C.

The copper edition with the thermalright 100mm fan perform nearly on the same level as the Asetek AIO with a room temp of 21°C. So the HSLP-48 is 3°C better as the AIO and 13°C better as the Dynatron T318.

Now It will try 4Ghz XD

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Looks great Dondan! Please keep us updated and I cannot wait to buy this! :)
 
dondan said:
Sorry guys I must leave this here very quick.

Today I got the Lian Li samples and currently my system is running Prime95 with a crazy room temp of 25°C.

The copper edition with the thermalright 100mm fan perform nearly on the same level as the Asetek AIO with a room temp of 21°C. So the HSLP-48 is 3°C better as the AIO and 13°C better as the Dynatron T318.

Now It will try 4Ghz XD

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Can you install the slim 120mm fan from Noctua or is the max 100mm?
 
I have question about pcie extender. Has anyone tested if there is any loss when using it? Checked whats are scores with and without this extender?
 
Here is a small update what I plan to do with the HSLP-48 in the next weeks.


I will test the following setups all CPUs @ default clock:

  • AM4 (1700x)
  • 1151 (7700k)
  • 2011-3 (5820K)
I will test the HSLP-48 against these heatsinks:

  • Asetek 92mm AIO (AM4, 2011-3, 1151)
  • Cryorig C7 (AM4, 1151)
  • Noctua L9i (AM4, 1151)
  • Dynatron T318 (2011-3)
  • Thermalright AXP 100 (AM4, 2011-3, 1151)

I will test the HSLP-48 Copper and Alu version following fans:

  • A9x14 (92mm)
  • TY-100 (100mm)
  • SY1212SL12H (120mm)
  • A12x15 (120mm)
I will test the following fan modes:

  • under the heatsink sucking through it
  • under the heatsink blowing through it
  • on the heatsink blowing through it
  • sandwich mode
  • different fan speeds


What I can say about the Lian Li samples, the quality is great for a prototype, but they forgot to include the 2011-3/AM3 retention bracket. They forgot to add a thread on the 1151 brackets so I can't use them. Therefore I use my Thermalright retention kit that I have for all sockets. What luck the Thermalright retention kits are full compatible to the HSLP-48 XD

I have to improve the fan clips because the two ends that go inside the heatsink are very short. I have to make them longer to better secure the fan. I also plan to add more holes for the clips to better support different thickness of fans.

I think I will get the CoolJag samples tomorrow, I hope they did a better job on the retention brackets.

I am thinking of outsourcing the retention kits to Thermalright if they can offer a good price. The brackets are the most complicated part on this project and it could be a good idea also for future compatibility. I will ask Lian Li if they can get in touch with them and I don’t have to take the route over the German contact.



Preview

Here is small preview of tests on the copper version I did today. All values are not comparable to older result, because I run the CPU (i7 5820K 140W TDP) on default clock (3.4GHz) and voltage. Older tests was made with 3GHz and lower voltage. The Dynatron T318 will reach ~80°C on default clock and voltage.


Prime95 v26.6 8K Test – 15min each

Heatsink------------Fan---------------Position-----Mode----------RPM--------Room Temp--------Core Temp
HSLP-48 Copper.....A9x14...............Under......Pushing..........2600..............25........................74 °C
HSLP-48 Copper.....A9x14...............Under......Sucking..........2600..............25........................65,8°C
HSLP-48 Copper.....TY-100..............Under......Pushing..........2400..............25....................... 65°C
HSLP-48 Copper.....TY-100..............Under......Sucking..........2400..............25........................63,8°C
HSLP-48 Copper.....SY1212SL12H..Under......Sucking..........2000..............25....................... 65,2°C
HSLP-48 Copper.....A12x15..............Top..........Pushing.........1800..............25........................63,5°C
HSLP-48 Copper.....A12x15..............Top..........Pushing...........900..............25........................73,5°C


Maybe you wonder why the A9x14 performs not good in pushing mode. I think the fan has a bad pressure and isn't able to push enough air through the fins in this mode. What I think is realy crazy that the heatsink is able to cool a six core i7 in Prime95 with the new A12x15 on top with only 900 RPM at 73°C. I am nure sure if any other heatsink with a height of 63mm is able to do that.



Some pictures

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dondan said:
Sorry guys I must leave this here very quick.

Today I got the Lian Li samples and currently my system is running Prime95 with a crazy room temp of 25°C.

The copper edition with the thermalright 100mm fan perform nearly on the same level as the Asetek AIO with a room temp of 21°C. So the HSLP-48 is 3°C better as the AIO and 13°C better as the Dynatron T318.

Now It will try 4Ghz XD

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I told you guys this was coming! ;) There will be only ONE heatsink for dan's case. ;) DAN'S HEATSINK!!!
 
Why no results for nf12x15 under, does this interfere with mb components?
 
dondan said:
And with the 8pin CPU power (EPS) connector.
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But you are going to try it on the other boards (once you get VLP ram), right? Also, does that mean that the 3mm difference in height between the Scythe 120mm and the Noctua 120mm is the problem?

Eyeballing the Gigabyte and asrock am4 boards- does it look like there's enough clearance there?
 
It's look like the difference between HSLP-48 copper and alu is 4°C. This is in the same range of a review I saw years ago between a Thermalright Tower Copper vs Alu.

masteralef: Yes the 3mm is the problem ;)
mathijs159: I don't know but I will get also an AM4 and 115x board I think we have a higher chance to fit the A12x15 under the heatsink.
 
Yup, it's hard to justify the huge price difference in raw materials with such a small difference in performance.

That aside, I'll still pay for the copper version.
 
kingtron said:
Nice ! Keep us updated please , one more question , which motherboard you will going to use ? Some boards needs a mosfets heatsink replacment if you going to use the 120mm fan
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I tried a set of Crucial VLP DDR4 (CT16G4XFD824A 2x16GB). It runs fine with both 7700K/Z270I and 1700/X370GTN. stressapptest stable at DDR4-2666 14-14-14-34-1T 1.35V with tight secondary/tertiary timings. Not great, but it's ECC Micron memory and I'm surprised it even works. Probably a decent match for dondan's cooler with a slim 120mm fan. In the ideal world we'd have some B-Die VLP sticks.
AIDA64 (median of 3 runs, stock 7700K/Z270I):

Crucial VLP (2x16GB DDR4-2666 14-14-14-34-1T):
Read/Write/Copy/Latency: 39791 MB/s, 41603 MB/s, 39012 MB/s, 45.4 ns

G.Skill B-Die (2x8GB DDR4-4133 16-18-18-38-2T):
Read/Write/Copy/Latency: 57307 MB/s, 62272 MB/s, 51561 MB/s, 37.4 ns

To give you an idea of how small these are:
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Here is a small preview of my tests today with the HSLP-48. (Copper vs. Alu)

The benefits of copper vs. alu will be smaller on lower RPMs.

i7 5820K default clock (3,4Ghz) and volatage, Room temp 25

HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2400RPM...|...63,8°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2400RPM...|...67,2°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2000RPM...|...66,5°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2000RPM...|...69,3°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1600RPM...|...70,2°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1600RPM...|...72,8°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1400RPM...|...75°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1400RPM...|...77°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1200RPM...|...80,5°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1200RPM...|...82,3°C

In the middle of all values the difference is 2,52°C (max 3,4°C, low 1,8°C)
 
Just had a thought, with the large mounting of the AM4 chips, would having a 120mm fan on the underside be more practical?
 
Has anybody tried how the new Noctua fan performs on the NH-L9i? I think the additional airflow could help to cool other components like the PSU and chipset.
 
ceski
Thanks for the update, can you please share the vlp ram part number (Micron part number not Crucial) (on the left sticker)
Because I was thinking of this one:
MEM-DR416L-CV02-EU24
From here
And I was wondering if it is the same

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kingtron said:
ceski
Thanks for the update, can you please share the vlp ram part number (Micron part number not Crucial) (on the right sticker start with MTA.
Because I was thinking of this one:
MEM-DR416L-CV02-EU24
From here
And I was wondering if it is the same

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Yeah, no problem. In the spoiler:
Big:
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Micron chips:
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EEPROM dump from Thaiphoon Burner:
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ceski
Thank you
Yours (Crucial CT16G4XFD824A)
Is:
18ADF2G72AZ-2G3A1

Same as ( Micron MEM-DR416L-CV02-EU24)
18ADF2G72AZ-2G3B1

I think both are the same, since Crucial is out of stock in most stores, so this will be a good alternative.

If you google search 18ADF2G72AZ-2G3B1

you will find prople using it succesufly on Ryzen also !
 
dondan said:
Here is a small preview of my tests today with the HSLP-48. (Copper vs. Alu)

The benefits of copper vs. alu will be smaller on lower RPMs.

i7 5820K default clock (3,4Ghz) and volatage, Room temp 25

HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2400RPM...|...63,8°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2400RPM...|...67,2°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2000RPM...|...66,5°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...2000RPM...|...69,3°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1600RPM...|...70,2°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1600RPM...|...72,8°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1400RPM...|...75°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1400RPM...|...77°C
HSLP-48 Copper...|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1200RPM...|...80,5°C
HSLP-48 Alu.........|...TY-100...|...Pull...|...1200RPM...|...82,3°C

In the middle of all values the difference is 2,52°C (max 3,4°C, low 1,8°C)
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2 degrees is also like the difference between two random fans, and maybe like a rough uneven base versus a smooth fitted base. and maybe even between the two samples from two different companies. so if we want to maximize performance, we will add up all these small differences and have the best cooler.

but we can also see why heatsinks don't use copper fins often. 2 degrees is not very much. most people would rather save $20. and more people will buy the less expensive cooler.

if the aluminum dan heatsink is a lot better than noctua, cryorig, and intel and amd box coolers, then I think dan has a big victory on his hands...
 
I'll still pay for the copper, 3-degrees is worth it, especially for those of us who go so far as to delid our processors.
 
Bad news – from hero to zero :(

Today I made some tests of the HSLP-48 against the Thermalright AXP 100H and Dynatron T318 all with TY-100 fan. I did all tests on an open bench table and not inside the A4-SFX. In my last post I wrote the HSLP-48 is ~15°C better as the T318, but I made this statement based on the values I had in my memory of the T318 mount inside the case. It looks like these values aren’t comparable with the values on an open bench test. On an open bench table the difference is only 2°C (63,8°C vs. 66°C). Wow this is a real setback. I think it could be different inside the case, because the T318 recycle a lot of air.

Also it looks like the AXP-100 and AXP-100H both with the TY-100 fan on top performing 4-5°C better than the HSLP-48. Maybe it was a wrong decision to select 4 heatpipes instead of 6. Keep in mind the AXP-100 has a height of 58mm and the AXP-100H of 65mm and will not fit inside the A4-SFX or Sentry.

On weekend I will get a rent setup (i7 7700k and MSI H110I PRO) from Caseking. Before I order more parts I will start with a test HSLP-48 vs. C7 to see if it is worth to continue. I will also do some tests mounting the parts inside the case to see if the heatsink will perform better, because it recycle less air.

But it looks like I have to go back to the drawing board and create a version with 6 heatpipes. I think the problem is not the surface because it is big enough but maybe the 4 heatpipes are too slow in transfer heat.

Maybe the CoolJag samples are better, but I don’t believe in this.
 
Why are all 6700k temp. readings got deleted on the google sheets. Instead of putting old readings in a tab for itself.
 
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