DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by dondan, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Chapeau

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    If we're going by paper size then sure.. lets do A5...:rolleyes:
     
  2. Blackreplica

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    Any chance of hints about what it is? SFF with liquid cooling by any chance? Please say yes:)
     
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  3. dondan

    dondan [H]ard|Gawd

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    Yes
     
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  4. CLOUDZZ

    CLOUDZZ n00bie

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    So eould you say your next case will be console size pc case??
     
  5. dondan

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    No, because with the Sentry we have a very good option in this class.
     
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  6. David A4

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    The dimensional ratio of the A4 is the most aesthetically pleasing of all current sffpc option, if your watercooled version shares that feature it will be very popular.
     
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  7. mcheddadi

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    I'm pretty excited for your new project.
     
  8. CLOUDZZ

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    Ah okay i dont need water cooled ao i gues dan a4 should be good for me
     
  9. HoodedHusky

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    I am interested.

    A SFF built from the ground-up to maximise use of water cooling would be new to the case market. Look at the Corsair One, if we had something but more custom for the self-builder, that would be awesome.
     
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    Definitely excited with your next release. You're doing awesome work, man. Keep it up.
     
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  11. dondan

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    Update: Here are some shots directly from the CoolJag factory of the DAN HSLP-48. The samples are ready to ship:

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    They inluded a 100m fan for testing I can select if I want it or not.
     
  12. CybKnight

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    Sweet! How long approx. will it take before you have them in hand, and can prepare to test thermal performance?

    Do you have any plans for how to evaluate them?
     
  13. dondan

    dondan [H]ard|Gawd

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    I don't know maybe 2-3 weeks.

    I will test it with three setups:


    Intel i7 7700k
    Intel i7 5820k
    Ryzen 1700X

    I will test it with the following fans:

    120mm Noctua A12x15
    120mm Scythe Slip Stream Slim 2000 RPM
    100mm CoolJag
    100mm Scythe Kaze Jyu Slim 2000
    92mm Noctua L9i

    Against the following heatsinks:

    Noctua L9i
    Cryorig C7
    Cooltek LP53
    Thermalright AXP 100
    Dynatron T318
     
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  14. Jonas Mellkvist

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    Why not express ship it ?

    2 weeks are normal from China with normal shipping No express
     
  15. dondan

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    Because I have more than enough to do with the Kickstarter campaign so a fast shipping isn't important ^^
     
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  16. shogou

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    Keep up the good work dondan :)
     
  17. mcheddadi

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    that copper one looks pretty niiiiice! (y)
     
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    This is a great test setup. I have one question regarding the fans. Will you test them at max rpm, or will you throttle some of them so that they are equally load?
     
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    Only the HSLP-48 will be tested with different fan speeds on the A12x15 and A9x14. I like to test three noiselevels audible (max. speed), acceptable and silent.

    Testing all of them with the same noiselevel is very hard because everyone has a different noise characteristic. I will only made a temp comparison on max speed.
     
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    There's no room for a top fan with Dan's cooler in the A4. If you have more room for another fan in another case, you have room for a lot of other coolers already.
     
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    That's really pretty. I can't wait!

    Although... The mounting system is still making me a little nervous. It looks like it'll be better than the godawful NH-L12, but I reserve judgement till I see how much better. That cooler has scarred me for life, I think. :p
     
  23. Strafer

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    it was a really hot day here 90+ farenheight and i think my gpu overheated in my a4 case while gaming
    evga gtx 1070 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487248

    Im thinking to buy another gpu while i try to rma this one because I don't want to wait

    You think a founders edition card (blower) will keep cooler in a a4 case than the 3rd party style with multiple fans?
    https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Video-Gr...UTF8&qid=1495145520&sr=1-19&keywords=gtx+1080

    https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Gami...ywords=asus+geforce+gtx+1080+ti+turbo+edition


    When i put my hand on my case it was normal temperature everywhere except for in the top in the back quarter of the case where it felt very hot to the touch -

    I have done this quiet setup on my dan a4:
    LP53 with a9x14 fan, 4mm standoffs, quiet adapter
    (cpu runs super quiet now)

    looking for coolest high end gpu for dan a4 or a mod that cools top back of case or blows on graphics card
     
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  24. richiegore

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    Don't those cards have vrm overheating problems requiring you to take to cooler off and add vrm thermal pads? Might the overheating be related to that? Surely it should just down clock to founders edition clocks if it is too hot?
     
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    Well, the hot air has to go somewhere. My card outputs quite a lot at the front for some reason (msi 980ti) thus, the front gets really hot after long gaming sessions. Nevertheless, if any component were to get TOO hot, it should either throttle itself or cause a system shutdown. Not blow itself up...
    For my next card, i'm definetly looking for one that outputs where it can in the a4: top, rear and a bit at the bottom.
     
  26. Blackreplica

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    Well, after a VERY long wait....my build is finally finished.

    Took a lot of patience not to cave in and buy another 1080Ti to get it earlier
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    It does fit, but it is an extremely tight fit
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    Fans are venting nicely through the side panel
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    Set up and ready for action
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    Using a 7700K and a 1080Ti in this case is pushing it's thermal capabilites to the absolute limit. I am running all tests on a stock non-deliided 7700K. My earlier undervolt which worked fine with my 970 mini still crashes with the increased heat output from the 1080Ti in my trademark torture test. Trying to underclock/undervolt a little more to get it stable before doing anything else at the moment
     
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  27. Shaav

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    That means it's perfect :)
    I have a 970 mini and want to switch to a FTW3, too. I would love to hear more about how the FTW3 runs and how it influences the CPU.
     
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  28. Blackreplica

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    Ok my temperature findings as follows:

    As it stands, on the 970, I was running 4.3GHz @ 1.12V and everything was great, temps maxed out at 95-96 degrees in sythetic loads where the CPU + GPU were both running at 100% in a worst case scenario very high ambient temperature environment with absolutely no airflow. When I put the FTW3 in and ran the same test, it crashed very quickly

    Next I tried 4.2GHz @ 1.1V and it the test would run fine with no crashes, but the CPU was thermal throttling every 5-10 seconds or so. I tried to set the FTW3 fan speed at 100% (to see if forcing more air into the case helps) but it did nothing to alleviate the CPU temperatures and it continued to throttle. So I decided to work again on the CPU settings

    I tried 4.1GHz @ 1.05V next. This brought temperatures down quite a bit, and I saw max spikes of 95 degrees (average 90 degrees) on the CPU with no throttling.

    In all cases, the GPU was left at default settings with steady boost clock at 1900-1911MHz.

    So my conclusion is:
    If you want to run the 7700K stock, along with a 1080Ti in the case, and would like a very safe starting CPU setting which will work in even the worst possible situations at the highest reasonable ambient temps, go with 4.1GHz at 1.05V and work your way upwards depending on your ambient temperature, airflow, and how lucky you got with the silicon lottery
     
  29. dondan

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    Do you allow me to use this great picture for the Kickstarter campaign?
     
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  31. thed00d

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    what are those two holes in the heatsink for?
     
  32. Blackreplica

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    It would be my absolute pleasure dondan please do

    I will send you a PM where you can download the full quality 42megapixel image
     
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  33. HoodedHusky

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    Its holes to permit access to the mounting fixings.
     
  34. bAMtan2

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    Dan is the man!

    To compare *heatsinks* alone, you must use the same fan on all heatsinks. A "reference" fan. By controlling this variable, only the metal construction of the heatsink is tested.

    A separate test would be controlling for the total size of the cooler, by choosing the biggest fan that fits in the case on each heatsink. It is possible the best cooler for the case is not the best heatsink.

    All that said, I believe that your heatsink with the best fan will be the best cooler, because your heatsink is very massive and sized perfectly to fit the case.
     
  35. Dake

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    Wanted to say that the Asus R9 Fury Strix fits as well. Tight, but it is in there. Can get photos if anyone is interested :) I think I have the only 1700X + R9 Fury A4-SFX build at the moment...
     
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  36. Jonas Mellkvist

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    Would be nice to see a Ryzen build what Cpu cooler in this build ??
     
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  37. Dake

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    Cryorig C7 currently, likely to go HSLP-48 later.
     
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    What clockspeeds are you running your 1700X at? I was hoping to hit 3.7 GHz or so.
     
  39. thed00d

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    aaah ofc... thanks for that explanation :D
     
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    YES, always, MORE PICS!
     
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