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DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

This was from a month ago but I thought it was pretty cool to share (apologies if a repost). A user on Hardwareluxx modded an impossible to find Thermalright Shaman GPU cooler for an i7-6950X build:

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Source is Soulreaver1988 on Hardwareluxx.
 
okwchin said:
For those who are using the shrouds, are you noticing an increase in sound reflection and thus louder fan noise for a given RPM? I noticed with my shroud the noise levels that temps are lower but despite the lower fan RPM, noise reflection meant that it was still louder. Maybe the use of foam in the recent shrouds mean this is less of an issue.
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I did not notice a increase in noise.

dondan said:
I think if you flip the LP53 to 180° you can lower the temps of another 5°C because the heatpipes will have a more efficent orientation. In you orientation the fluid inside have to work against gravity.


By the way if you don't have a 3D printer you can easily buy this low profile fan duct 92mm to 120mm to get the same effect:

Bitspower Ultimate 92mmm to 120mm (BP-FA1208090-BK)

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Thanks dondan; I'll have to rotate the heatsink this afternoon. I thought about getting one of these fan ducts but I had acrylic lying around and I like to fiddle with things. I plan to update my CPU in the coming months so I'll try one of these then.

bAMtan2 said:
That's another sweet mod. I'd be interested in seeing if changing the fan from push to pull changes the performance.
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That would be interesting to try out although I would think switching to pull would result in the fan sucking warm air through the heatsink resulting in cooler temps for the motherboard components but a warmer cpu.
 
dondan said:
I think if you flip the LP53 to 180° you can lower the temps of another 5°C because the heatpipes will have a more efficent orientation. In you orientation the fluid inside have to work against gravity.


By the way if you don't have a 3D printer you can easily buy this low profile fan duct 92mm to 120mm to get the same effect:

Bitspower Ultimate 92mmm to 120mm (BP-FA1208090-BK)

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I would love to buy one but they are sold out everywhere in the states.

It is also not compatible with x99 users that have 27mm on the t318 and 14 on the noctua fan to add a 15mm tall adapter. Compared to the $18 for a 3d printed vent I really like the acrylic fent idea and I might do just that with the phobyia gasket.
 
cowsgomoo2 said:
Noctua told dondan that 4 pipes are better than 6 pipes for the surface area because 6 pipes has less fin surface for cooling. You can't argue with Noctua regarding cooling.
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you can definitely argue with them. 6 or 8 pipes just for baller status . 4 pipes is weakkkkk.
here's 8 :

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Source is Soulreaver1988 on Hardwareluxx.


THAT is AWESOME. look at the 8 pipes.

even my axp-100 full copper has 6 pipes
 
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Ca11idus said:
Are we talking about BP-FA1208090-BK? That's a bit much for something that won't fit my case. Running x99 syst with a 14mm fan and a 27mm heatsink. That bracket is 15 mm.
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Whoops, no. I thought you were talking about wanting to buy the LP53, which also is out of stock all over the place.
 
I just got a 1080 TI FE but the noise is much louder than I expected. Has anyone tried fitting a GPU with an Arctic Accelero cooler on it? Will it fit in this case?
 
While I don't disagree on the 4 pipes will out perform 8 pipes in the same sized cooler due to a greater fin surface area, it must be the case therefore that if you have also have a larger cooler with a greater fin area and additional pipes, that it will be a better cooler?
 
cowsgomoo2 said:
Noctua told dondan that 4 pipes are better than 6 pipes for the surface area because 6 pipes has less fin surface for cooling. You can't argue with Noctua regarding cooling.
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Noctua is like the jonnyguru of cpu cooling, whatever they say is right, even if it is wrong.
 
All my point was that in the end, fin size matters. As long as you have sufficient pipes to flow the heat into the fins. This is why the Thermalright Shaman is a better cooler with the greater pipes as it also has the greater fin area to disperse that transmitted heat and why 8 pipe would be inefficient in a smaller cooler.
 
Yes you are right if you have more surface you need more pipes. The pipes are necessary to transport the heat fast to the surface if the surface is too small the transfer from fins to air is too low and the high count of pipes is useless. Maybe industrial example will help: A high count of employees on a conveyor is only good if it is fast enough.
 
Noctua has probably made multiple prototypes and many testings before releasing their NH-L12, which is the same build as dondan's future cooler. For the fin area of dondan's cooler, they recommend 4 pipes instead of 6.
You can either claim they are:
1) incompetent and wrong, but that's unlikely because all their coolers have always top the charts of cooling tests, and their coolers are often a few degrees cooler than other brands' coolers of the same size
2) trying to trick dondan into making a worse cooler because he's a competitor

The Thermalright Shaman is probably a better cooler because it has bigger fin surface area than other coolers, not because it has more pipes. To do a control test regarding whether the Thermalright Shaman has more pipes than necessary, you'll have to find another cooler with similar fin area but less pipes and test both of them. You can't just compare it to smaller coolers with less fin area.
If you want me to choose between trusting Noctua or armchair critics like you all, I'd choose trusting Noctua any day.
 
But the Thermalright Shaman is NOT a better cooler!
Someone in here post it's results and they were not as good as the LP53 or even the AXP (All models) (can't find the thread). Not in temps or noise.
 
This is probably not applicable but here's the best top-flow (hamburger) cpu cooler, NH C14, from Noctua. It has six pipes. I would suggest trying the four pipes first and compare that with the LP53 w/ slim fan temps. Then based on those results, I would then give the six pipes a try.
 
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Itchy_Lettuces said:
I got one of these drives to put in the case: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xC...tb-25-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-st5000lm000
Just a heads up that it's too tall to fit in the bottom part of the HDD bracket. I ended up not using the bracket and just mounting the drive directly to the bottom of the case. I was kinda hoping to put two in (using the bracket), but I guess I'll just have to settle for one.
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wow! didn't know 2.5 inch drives were already available in more than 2TB! I would have gotten two of those for some sweet 10TB storage.
 
Itchy_Lettuces said:
I got one of these drives to put in the case: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xC...tb-25-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-st5000lm000
Just a heads up that it's too tall to fit in the bottom part of the HDD bracket. I ended up not using the bracket and just mounting the drive directly to the bottom of the case. I was kinda hoping to put two in (using the bracket), but I guess I'll just have to settle for one.
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I've got the same drive! I've mounted mine in the top part of the bracket; got a 1TB, 7200rpm drive below it. I was torn between this drive or a 2TB SSD but I couldn't justify the price for that much smaller space. Was worried about loading times but I haven't honestly noticed.
 
mathijs159 said:
You don't need to regardless? Only the usb and power get in the way of tightening the bolts right?
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I managed to tighten the screws for the new feet using the pliers (see first photo). In the end it's not that hard indeed :)
 
Well then, I will also share some photos of my new casefeet with you: Click
Used a washer on both sides of one screw btw, because the frontfeet would otherwise interfere with the rubber mounts (pic 3).
 
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Big Update:

Today I got some preview shots of the DAN Cases A4-SFX v2 with Window Kit installed. I will make a poll where you can decide between dan cutout or slot cutout for the final design:


(Lian Li forgott so screw the panels so the panels sack)

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Here you can see the new cutout for Asetec 92mm AIO or a 92mm fan. Also the new screwed rubber feets are attached:

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Here you can see the slot cover:

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And some pictures of the new cartons:

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Lian Li will ship the sample with DHL express tomorrow, so I will have it next week. Today I got my Asetec 92mm AIO for testing and shooting with V2.

With best regards
Daniel
 
dondan said:
Big Update:

Today I got some preview shots of the DAN Cases A4-SFX v2 with Window Kit installed. I will make a poll where you can decide between dan cutout or slot cutout for the final

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Here you can see the new cutout for Asetec 92mm AIO or a 92mm fan. Also the new screwed rubber feets are attached:

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Here you can see the slot cover:

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And some pictures of the new cartons:

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Lian Li will ship the sample with DHL express tomorrow, so I will have it next week. Today I got my Asetec 92mm AIO for testing and shooting with V2.

With best regards
Daniel
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I think I like DAN on the door more than the "line" :) Will the new door allow thicker video cards? I think it would be idea if your second door option offered new functionality, not just a new "look". :)

Edit: I don't like the "line" hole, but I think if you made it less wide, you might not see it because of the optical illusion. The inside of the case is complex and hides it. The door is smooth and makes it obvious. So if the hole doesn't cover the door from your viewing perspective, the hole might not be so visible.
 
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