DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Would a few people mind posting their GPU temps? I have a 1080 Founders Edition and am a little worried it will be too hot in there. Am I better off going for an EVGA ACX 3.0 / Gigabyte G1?
 
MrLahn said:
I've just received the Cryorig XT140 to put ontop of my C7, I'll test when I get home tonight and post my results. C7 fan is 15mm, XT140 is 13mm, so hopefully that'll make it quiet down a bit.
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I am really interested in this solution, if you don't mind please let me know how you would attach the fan to the cooler.
 
I am running the 6700k stock speed with the stock c7 and the asus 1070 strix gpu.
I ran some 2h For Honor while streaming last night and CPU temps did not exceed 65*.GPU stayed below 68*. I will try running som BF1 tonight with highest settings and post later.

On another note regarding the c7. I am running the Asus z170i pro gaming motherboard and i had to modify the mounting bracket since it was resting on a small row och 'chips' on the backside of the motherboard. The brackets seems to be a bit too big. So if you are running the same motherboard as me I would suggest you go with some of the other coolers than the C7.
 
Meccabolix said:
This weekend i will try the lp53 with the a9x14 and post a video and some temps, i'm also waiting on a nexus to come sometime soon, i will do the same for that if i can fit it in
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I'm really waiting for that :) if with videos then it will be great.
 
Meccabolix said:
Just got My ar05, but first, these are the temps for the Cryorig C7:

Idle:
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Stress test with Prime 95:
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Not bad, but the noise obviously is annoying at full fan speed.



Now for the SilverStone AR05, here is a video:



Idle speed: 1124 RPM

Full speed: 2320 RPM

Very very quiet at full speed, which is great! But these are the temps with a 6700k @ 4.4Ghz:

Idle:
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Stress test with Prime 95:
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Ouch, within the first minute it hit 100°C, I wouldn't recommend the SilverStone AR05 cooler if you are planning to overclock, but if you aren't looking to overclock its very very quiet at 100% fan speed (86°C max @ stock speeds).

This weekend i will try the lp53 with the a9x14 and post a video and some temps, i'm also waiting on a nexus to come sometime soon, i will do the same for that if i can fit it in.
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Exactly as I predicted. ;)

AR05 / L9i is ONLY for silent casual gaming. Get C7 or something custom if you want to overclock.
 
Delid 7700k stock clocks, stock C7, running on test bench (no Dan case yet) max temp playing Overwatch for 2 hours @165hz per core 80 | 79 | 79 | 79. While streaming the same game 30fps 720p to twitch, (still 165 fps locally) max temp 89 | 89 | 89 | 90. Inside the case it should get worse. I'll be able to post the same results from the L9i for more delid stats since my LP53 has such a long ship date.

I used Coollaboratory Liquid Pro on the die applied very meticulously. Noctua NT H1 thermal paste to mount the C7.

Voltage on 7700k reads 1.216 on CPU-Z when the CPU is stressed.
 
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Also for people using AR05 / L9i I would recommend to go for a non-K i5 or i7 (i5-7600 for example). This is 65 W vs 91 W so you should have no problems whatsoever and run any game you want for the next 4 years with a decent GPU.
 
just go a reply back for some Samsung DDR4 VLP NON-ECC and UNREGISTERED memory. so basically should work with strix z270i motherboard with the nexus cooler and a big 120mm fan if nothing else on the motherboard gets in the way

DDR4 U-DIMM VLP 8GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung Low-Profile M4UR-8GS1VC0G-B
£69.00
DDR4 U-DIMM VLP 8GB 2133MHz 512Mx8 Samsung Low-Profile M4UR-8GSSWC0G-E
£57.40

Lead Times are 10 -14 days

Delivery is £47.50 via Fed-Ex. (canada from uk)
Prices are valid for 30 day. All pricing are British Pound Sterling
We accept all major credit cards (2% Surcharge) except American Express.

I asked a second quote for some 16GB sticks

UPDATE :

16GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung 2 2 M4UR-AGS1WC0G-B £96.20
16GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung 2 2 M4U0-AGS1WCRG £96.20
 
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You can find temperatures regarding the GPU here: https://do cs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aZfTysWc4dtJC33qkLCjLkhPnzVLtbCtjpxoZeT92ZA/edit#gid=0
click on "Unigine Heaven", or "Gaming"

@Meccabolix
you call this "quiet"? I call it "annoying" which is the equivalent to the NH-L9i @ 2500rpm and above.
 
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mcheddadi said:
just go a reply back for some Samsung DDR4 VLP NON-ECC and UNREGISTERED memory. so basically should to work with strix z270i motherboard with the nexus cooler and a big 2120mm fan if nothing else on the motherboard gets in the way



I asked a second quote for some 16GB sticks

UPDATE :

16GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung 2 2 M4UR-AGS1WC0G-B £96.20
16GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung 2 2 M4U0-AGS1WCRG £96.20
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Where did you get the quote from? I'm interested as well.
 
Chief-hat said:
What's the LED above your power button? Is it stock?

I have the silver case, no LED.

Also: the silver button seems to be different.

Yours looks very nice as well.
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Looks like blonda007 modded the case with a Vandal switch and an LED... I would appreciate if someone could post photos of their modded assembly.
 
mcheddadi said:
just go a reply back for some Samsung DDR4 VLP NON-ECC and UNREGISTERED memory. so basically should to work with strix z270i motherboard with the nexus cooler and a big 2120mm fan if nothing else on the motherboard gets in the way



I asked a second quote for some 16GB sticks

UPDATE :

16GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung 2 2 M4UR-AGS1WC0G-B £96.20
16GB 2133MHz 1Gx8 Samsung 2 2 M4U0-AGS1WCRG £96.20
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The part numbers is not for the 18.7mm height, the correct part numbers is:

Height 18.7mm low profile
DDR4-2400 VLP UDIMM Non-ECC UnBuffered
16GB M4U0-AGS1WC0J
8GB M4U0-8GSSWC0J
4GB M4U0-4GSSVC0J
 
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mirgus said:
Non K CPUs arent really cooler... Also K CPUs have a better resell value
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Please don't mislead other people without checking the numbers.

1) K CPUs generate a lot of extra waste heat. For example, the difference between 7700K and 7700 playing the same video game can be 25 degrees. Thats is 30% more heat for ~3% more fps. Physics is quite simple, more Watts = more heat. Read the review here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870.html

2) Resale value is technically better for K CPUs, but only by ~0.5%, totally insignificant. Also i5s are better resale value than i7s. (i5s are also cooler).
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

So considering cooling limitations of the Dan case, I would absolutely recommend buying a non-K CPU. I think i7-7700 or even an i5-7600 would be ideal for AR05 / Li9.
 
The one who is about the lowest temperature will undervolt their CPUs. The K version always has a little bit higher Vcore then the non K CPUs. So u will get the same TDP since they are made from the same silicon. That "big" gap in that test could be also possible, because the non K version just was a good example. I doubt that the difference is that high, since it wasnt with the previous gen's

and yea, people more likely buy a K version then a non K for OC...
 
promaty said:
1) K CPUs generate a lot of extra waste heat. For example, the difference between 7700K and 7700 playing the same video game can be 25 degrees.
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You can always tune a 7700k to consume the same as a non-K but you can't necessarily do it the other way around in terms of performance.
 
Ok that's a good point for undervolt. But I assume that most users (like me) always run things out of the box. :) And yes, Kaby Lake temperature gap seems to be higher. Numbers don't lie.
 
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promaty said:
Please don't mislead other people without checking the numbers.

1) K CPUs generate a lot of extra waste heat. For example, the difference between 7700K and 7700 playing the same video game can be 25 degrees. Thats is 30% more heat for ~3% more fps. Physics is quite simple, more Watts = more heat. Read the review here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870.html

2) Resale value is technically better for K CPUs, but only by ~0.5%, totally insignificant. Also i5s are better resale value than i7s. (i5s are also cooler).
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

So considering cooling limitations of the Dan case, I would absolutely recommend buying a non-K CPU. I think i7-7700 or even an i5-7600 would be ideal for AR05 / Li9.
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I'll just address first one: nonK 7700 has 600Mhz lover base frequency and 300MHz lower boost frequency so apart from numbers in their model names there is nothing else to comparable there. Intel marketing at full tilt. You can cool 90W CPU with L9i so this case has no issue with 90W CPUs. Only fool is will take in to consideration 30$ 3 years from now and make buying decision based on it.
 
Just got my case and it's amazing! Pretty easy to build for an itx case, and the manual really helps a lot =D
Thank you so much Dan, really premium quality. It was really worth the year and a half wait =)
I just got a little big issue with my cooler, i have the Cryorig C7 and for some reason when i close the side panel the fan gets stuck and doesnt spin =S anyone with the same problem or a solution ?
Thank you
 
onmybikedrunk said:
No, it shouldn't... Anyway, I made a little mock-up with cardboard to get custom cable lengths and I was looking at my SF600 PSU thinking, there's a lot of wasted space down there once I have the more manageable custom cables...hmmm. A 120mm cooler wouldn't fit so I started to see if there was a 92mm AIO cooler on the market and there is!

I'm not sure if this will work now or not based off the 50mm measurement, but I found this tiny AIO manufactured by Asetek. As many as you know Asetek basically invented the AIO cooler. They manufacture all of Corsair's and NZXT's coolers to this day. The rad is 92 x 92 x 30 with no fan... I thought if I were to fabricate a fan window where the SSD/HDD mount is, maybe I could liquid cool this beast out the bottom! I mean it's still possible I suppose. 60mm would have been a lot better, but with some minor modding/slim fan it could work! The only downside to this of course is figuring out a way to get air around the mainboard. But there could be a fan suspended above the heatsink via threaded sleeve nuts/standoffs coming off the mounting hardware... I dunno. Just an idea as I researched the best form of cooling. Thoughts? It's hard when you don't have the case in front of you... I feel like I'm forgetting about something that might cause interference...
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Andreas2808 said:
Hi, Dan :)

What about installing a AIO CPU-cooler, like the Sliverstone
TD03-SLIM 120 mm rad (http://silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=598&area=en).
And installing the rad behind the psu if you use a shorter GPU like Gigabyte 1070 mini (http://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N1070IXOC-8GD#kf)
or Zotac 1080 mini (https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-mini).

There should be enough space behing the psu next to the left sidepanel?
It's pretty tempting if it would work
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I have some bad news. I tried swapping the fan on my Cryorig C7 with the Cryorig XT140 that supposedly is 2mm slimmer, but in reality it really appears to be the exact same thickness as the C7.
Here are my results. As for noise, I think the XL140 is ever so slightly more quiet, but my wife thought it was equally loud (AKA not acceptable!)

PS: This is an i7 2600K at stock
 

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I received the case yesterday and started building immediately. The build was really helpful and it was easy to swap my components from another case into the A4. The manual is really well done!

But then I booted the pc, to a black screen (nobios) but all fans are spinning and the gaming lights on the motherboard were all on. I decided to pull out the powercord and let flow out all the current by holding the power button.

Then I tried it again. And it booted all the way to Windows! Then I shut it down and tried again. But no luck, the black screen returned. Now every time before turning on the pc I need to unplug the powercord to fix it.

I can also feel a low electric current flowing through the top-and-front metal plate but not in the side panels when I place my finger on it. Could that be a possible cause and do I need to ground the case in some way? I thought the case was already grounded?
I also hear a click-sound at the moment the lights on the motherboard and gpu turn off when I unplug the powercord and hold the power button.
 
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