DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

[dondan]

Calrez With 3.0 and maybe a second 3.1 cable included. Currently the count of 3.1 ITX board with internal 3.1 header is too low.

 

[Sponge85]

I have a problem with my C7 and z270i Strix. I decided to install some parts now and test them before my A4 arrives. But it seem to not fit with the heat sink vertical and I think this will affect the performance. Maybe I need to remove the m.2 heat sink but it would be nice to have (looks good).

Did any one encounter this?

Edit: It is no problem it is a 0,1 mm gap when installed

 

[alishakyol]

I have a problem with my C7 and z270i Strix. I decided to install some parts now and test them before my A4 arrives. But it seem to not fit with the heat sink vertical and I think this will affect the performance. Maybe I need to remove the m.2 heat sink but it would be nice to have (looks good).

Did any one encounter this?

remove part of the cpu heatsink (linus modded his to fit his fan)

 

[krcm0209]

I have a problem with my C7 and z270i Strix. I decided to install some parts now and test them before my A4 arrives. But it seem to not fit with the heat sink vertical and I think this will affect the performance. Maybe I need to remove the m.2 heat sink but it would be nice to have (looks good).

Did any one encounter this?

I'm confused, what's not fitting in this picture? Is it covering one of the RAM slots? This is the same combo I was going to use.

 

[Sponge85]

I'm confused, what's not fitting in this picture? Is it covering one of the RAM slots? This is the same combo I was going to use.

No, the corner of the m.2 shield is in the way for the heat sink.

I probably will file some of the heat fins

The ram is ok. But tight as I like it

 

[SSuk]

I'm confused, what's not fitting in this picture? Is it covering one of the RAM slots? This is the same combo I was going to use.

The heatsink of m.2 ssd slot on top of motherboard (http://techreport.com/r.x/2017_1_3_...rds_in_blog_post/STRIX-Z270I-GAMING-2DJPG.jpg - above pcie slot for gpu) has its right top corner going up closer to the one of the cpu holes. And thats the problem with cryorig c7. It has a wide cpu heatsing, so you will propably have to abrade that corner to fit in.

 

[DrFino]

The heatsink of m.2 ssd slot on top of motherboard (http://techreport.com/r.x/2017_1_3_...rds_in_blog_post/STRIX-Z270I-GAMING-2DJPG.jpg - above pcie slot for gpu) has its right top corner going up closer to the one of the cpu holes. And thats the problem with cryorig c7. It has a wide cpu heatsing, so you will propably have to abrade that corner to fit in.

Seems like both the top and bottom halves of the m.2 heatsink are removable so we'll probably need to grind them down before it fits. Or just dremel the C7 fins back a bit


The issue: http://i.imgur.com/6ungh3T.png

 

[krcm0209]

Seems like both the top and bottom halves of the m.2 heatsink are removable so we'll probably need to grind them down before it fits. Or just dremel the C7 fins back a bit


The issue: http://i.imgur.com/6ungh3T.png

I think I'd rather file the CPU cooler than the M.2 shield, considering the price difference between the motherboard and cooler.

 

[Gielz]

Couldnt find any info about fitting a MSI GTX 1070 / 1080 Gaming x 8g so here it is!

Fitting with SF450 standard cables.

 

[krcm0209]

The last component to my build besides the case arrives tomorrow... it's going to be so hard to wait to be able to do anything with these components. I'm in the U.S.

 

[Sponge85]

I have a problem with my C7 and z270i Strix. I decided to install some parts now and test them before my A4 arrives. But it seem to not fit with the heat sink vertical and I think this will affect the performance. Maybe I need to remove the m.2 heat sink but it would be nice to have (looks good).

Did any one encounter this?

False alram it fit. You probably want to install the m.2 first. The C7 heat sink didn't go as low as the m.2 heat shield. I can fit a tin paper between them (not a thick). Probably a gap of 0,1 to 0,15 mm.

 

[Jann5s]

To me it looks like the 3M riser cable is build like every other 3M product, with a lot of margin built in.

Thx for the second opinion, I agree, the voltage drop is probably minimal. I don't understand why the guy was saying the the 3M cable could only do 2.0A maybe he was talking about another cable.

P.S. the majority of the GPU components are powered of the 12V line and then stepped down using the VRM's to the appropriate voltages. This is simply because the 12V line can deliver the most power. Even GPUs that have additional power adapters tend to take between 50W and 75W from the PCIe connector. Tom's hardware includes these measurements in their reviews.

 

[dondan]

Here some pictures of a member in ther German Hardwareluxx forum that mounts a Nexus Low 7000 R2 on an Asrock Z97E-ITX with an Xeon 1230v3. With an FAN speed of only 1200rpm and 30min Prime95 the temps went not above 63°C. This is really good for a NOT delid Haswel.

There will be a how to on my site if I have more time.

 

[krcm0209]

Here some pictures of a member in ther German Hardwareluxx forum that mounts a Nexus Low 7000 R2 on an Asrock Z97E-ITX with an Xeon 1230v3. With an FAN speed of only 1200rpm and 30min Prime95 the temps went not above 63°C. This is really good for a NOT delid Haswel.

There will be a how to on my site if I have more time.

I'd be interested in this if it didn't cover the ram slots. Oh well. Cool nonetheless.

 

[mrblack]

Couldnt find any info about fitting a MSI GTX 1070 / 1080 Gaming x 8g so here it is!

Fitting with SF450 standard cables.

hi is the sf450 ok to run the MSI gaming z GTX 1070 it says 500 watts minimum psu

 

[dondan]

DHL has some maintenance, so the tracking will not work this evening.

 

[dondan]

I'd be interested in this if it didn't cover the ram slots. Oh well. Cool nonetheless.

You have to use low profile ram or a smaller FAN..

 

[tviceman]

Couldnt find any info about fitting a MSI GTX 1070 / 1080 Gaming x 8g so here it is!

Fitting with SF450 standard cables.

How many SSD / M.2 drives do you have installed?

 

[tviceman]

Here some pictures of a member in ther German Hardwareluxx forum that mounts a Nexus Low 7000 R2 on an Asrock Z97E-ITX with an Xeon 1230v3. With an FAN speed of only 1200rpm and 30min Prime95 the temps went not above 63°C. This is really good for a NOT delid Haswel.

There will be a how to on my site if I have more time.

Was there a mod required to get that cooler to fit on the motherboard?

 

[Ca11idus]

Was there a mod required to get that cooler to fit on the motherboard?

Not to fit the mobo rather to fit the fan. He inverted the fan mounting assembly and removed the aluminum fins from the base of the heatsink.

That looks really annoying if you need to troubleshoot or work on the ram.

 

[Gielz]

hi is the sf450 ok to run the MSI gaming z GTX 1070 it says 500 watts minimum psu

450 should be fine. You can also go for the SF600 since it has the same cables

 

[Gielz]

How many SSD / M.2 drives do you have installed?

Currently using 1 ssd on the front mount. Got enough space to put 1 in the lower bracket. (Didnt even remove the bracket for more space)

 

[mrblack]

ok thanks i only ask because i have a sf450

 

[tviceman]

Not to fit the mobo rather to fit the fan. He inverted the fan mounting assembly and removed the aluminum fins from the base of the heatsink.

That looks really annoying if you need to troubleshoot or work on the ram.

Yes that sounds like too much work for me to care.

 

[danurv]

I ended up getting my case last week, waiting on some parts to start my build. I purchased a 7700k and am concerned about dealing with heat Has anyone thought about water cooling the CPU. I did some measurements an I think if you use one of these small atx power supplies like "HDPLEX 300w" people have reported it can handle spikes unto 400w and you power it with an external power brick like a dell 330w ac adapter.

This psu could fit in the original ssd area I believe, leaving enough space for a AIO 120mm water cooler for the CPU. This might give you a lot more overhead to over clock.

Only down side is that you have a power brick to deal with.

Thoughts?

 

[ReaperX22]

I ended up getting my case last week, waiting on some parts to start my build. I purchased a 7700k and am concerned about dealing with heat Has anyone thought about water cooling the CPU. I did some measurements an I think if you use one of these small atx power supplies like "HDPLEX 300w" people have reported it can handle spikes unto 400w and you power it with an external power brick like a dell 330w ac adapter.

This psu could fit in the original ssd area I believe, leaving enough space for a AIO 120mm water cooler for the CPU. This might give you a lot more overhead to over clock.

Only down side is that you have a power brick to deal with.

Thoughts?

Delid the CPU. Problem solved. XD

 

[Ca11idus]

Amd Ryzen 7 1700 8 core 16 thread with a 65w tdp sounds amazing for this. I really hope the performance is competitive enough to force me to upgrade.

 

[Jirbin]

I ended up getting my case last week, waiting on some parts to start my build. I purchased a 7700k and am concerned about dealing with heat Has anyone thought about water cooling the CPU. I did some measurements an I think if you use one of these small atx power supplies like "HDPLEX 300w" people have reported it can handle spikes unto 400w and you power it with an external power brick like a dell 330w ac adapter.

This psu could fit in the original ssd area I believe, leaving enough space for a AIO 120mm water cooler for the CPU. This might give you a lot more overhead to over clock.

Only down side is that you have a power brick to deal with.

Thoughts?

overclock with 300w? no thank you, i would not risk my my whole system for around 8-10c cooler temp. just get the ncase dude.

 

[repentsinner]

So basically, avoid any cards without 6/8-pin power unless you're feeling lucky.

Feeling lucky and have a strong affinity toward unfounded speculation..

 

[Firewolfy]

Regarding maximum power capacity of the riser cable.


I was reading this interesting post that was discussing that the power specs of PCIe riser cables are not the same as those of the PCIe slot specification (12V:5.5A:66W + 3.3V:3.0A:9.9W). On another forum, (I think) the same user stated that the 3M cables can only do 2.0A for the 12V line (i.e. 24W and not 66W).

I did some digging of my own using the spec sheet from the 3M site and it states that the wires used are "30AWG silver plated signal wires". Using the calculator I found here I calculated the following:

• Select Copper or Aluminum : Copper
• Select American Wire Gauge (AWG) Size: 30 AWG
• Select Voltage : 12V (AC)
• Enter 1-way circuit length in feet: 1ft (300mm)
• Enter Load in amps: 5.5A
• Voltage drop: 1.161V
• Voltage at load end of circuit: 10.839V
• Per Cent voltage drop: 9.68%
• Wire cross section in circular mils: 101
• Resulting power: 59.6W

These calculated values are only approximations, conductance of the 3M wire may be better than the calculator assumes. However, they may impact the stability of your GPU, especially when the GPU has no additional power sources and relies on what the PCIe cable can deliver.

I'm not sure how relevant this all is, curious about your opinions.

[edit]
Looking closer at the spec of 3M I noticed that the three 12V power pins are actually routed through 7 wires (and 7 for the return). This will distribute the load to 0.8A per wire leading to 11.831V at the end of the cable which is only a 1.4% drop.
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I just noticed that you have AC listed for the voltage. It is actually a DC circuit. Also, there are a total of 10 wires for the +12 V as shown on the 3m drawing here: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/812298O/3mtm-twin-ax-cable-assy-for-pci-express-x16-cd2520.pdf

 

[mcheddadi]

Here some pictures of a member in ther German Hardwareluxx forum that mounts a Nexus Low 7000 R2 on an Asrock Z97E-ITX with an Xeon 1230v3. With an FAN speed of only 1200rpm and 30min Prime95 the temps went not above 63°C. This is really good for a NOT delid Haswel.

There will be a how to on my site if I have more time.

I have the Nexus Low-7000 R2 coming in tomorrow and already have the c7 cryorig. I'm waiting for your tutorial. I have some lowish profile looking ram and I hope it'll fit ( https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820313778 ). Should I get the Prolimatech Ultra Sleek Vortex 12 fan? also what's that custom looking black bracket holding the fan to the nexus?

 

[ndjwin99]

Here some pictures of a member in ther German Hardwareluxx forum that mounts a Nexus Low 7000 R2 on an Asrock Z97E-ITX with an Xeon 1230v3. With an FAN speed of only 1200rpm and 30min Prime95 the temps went not above 63°C. This is really good for a NOT delid Haswel.

There will be a how to on my site if I have more time.

I wonder the temperature of the Nexus blow in..

 

[illram]

Is 100mm long enough? If not, what's the length people are recommending?

Even if the 24 pin socket is right next to the PSU (the case with the Asus z270i) I think it is too short. With bending and twisting I'd probably want 150mm at least, 200mm to be safe? I'm just eye balling it at this point.

 

[m-jeri]

Can we have a gallery thread?

 

[StaticSounds]

I will pick up my case around noon (Denmark). Apparently one has to guess what local shippingpartner DHL uses in order to continue tracking after they delivered it to the recieving country. Atleast that was the case for me.
The local danish partner is postnord. You can copy+paste the shipment number from DHL directly into the tracking system of postnord and continue tracking.
If your DHL progress gets stuck this might give a clue as to why.

 

[Theelichtje]

Here some pictures of a member in ther German Hardwareluxx forum that mounts a Nexus Low 7000 R2 on an Asrock Z97E-ITX with an Xeon 1230v3. With an FAN speed of only 1200rpm and 30min Prime95 the temps went not above 63°C. This is really good for a NOT delid Haswel.


There will be a how to on my site if I have more time.

This would seem to help against the turbulence that the Noctua creates when pushed up against the side panel.

 

[pellen]

I will pick up my case around noon (Denmark). Apparently one has to guess what local shippingpartner DHL uses in order to continue tracking after they delivered it to the recieving country. Atleast that was the case for me.
The local danish partner is postnord. You can copy+paste the shipment number from DHL directly into the tracking system of postnord and continue tracking.
If your DHL progress gets stuck this might give a clue as to why.

For me it was stated that PostNord (Sweden) would take over the shipping on the DHL tracking page, including a link to the tracking page on postnord. So no guessing was needed
The delivery to my door failed (duh, I'm at work ), so hopefully I can pick it up this afternoon at the service point.

 

[sldr]

So, is it ok if I share some photos from my build?

These are the components that have been installed already - the GPU will hopefully arrive today.

Installation of the CPU, CPU cooler, memory on the motherboard, and then the motherboard in the case:

Enough space between the CPU cooler and the side panel:

Let's add the PSU:

The corsair's power connector is too close to the side of the PSU bracket:

But nothing that can't be solved .... removed the PSU bracket, re-aligned the cable and now it fits perfectly:

Then I thought there was an issue with the power connector for the SSD when installed in the front of the case:

But then I read Dan's manual, and after flipping the SSD there was no issue with the power cable:

So now I'm only waiting for the GPU to arrive, so hopefully an update later today:

Here are some more pictures of a naked half-filled Dan A4-SFX case:

 

[ranix]

How long did it take you for your installation?

 

[Theelichtje]

I made a gallery thread for our builds

https://hardforum.com/threads/dan-a4-sfx-post-your-build-here-thread.1924512/