DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Have you seen these 2 new shielded risers from lian li??

http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pw-pci-e30-1/
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pw-pci-e38-1/

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Versus the older version:
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pw-pci-e/
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pw-pci-e38/
 
dondan said:
I test it with a CAD drawing of the cable and no it will not work. I am currently working with Lian Li on a upgrade kit for the A4 that will be released this year so everyone can upgrade to USB 3.1 gen2 ;). Currently there is no real time preassure because only one Z270 ITX board will have the new connector.
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I'm super happy to hear you're doing this!!! :D
 
00joshua00 I tested it 8 month ago. The cables are too thick to fit behind the motherboard. In this time I also posted a picture here.
 
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StaticSounds said:
The case acts as a faraday cage. There is no point in shielding internally, unless you got some crappy hardware.
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There are a bunch of possibilities for interference originating from inside the case. Running the cable along the back of the of the Motherboard (like it is) could see interference from the power distribution circuits. Not to mention the interference from the cable itself. Which is why (I'm assuming) the lanes are shielded separately.
 
dondan said:
I test it with a CAD drawing of the cable and no it will not work. I am currently working with Lian Li on a upgrade kit for the A4 that will be released this year so everyone can upgrade to USB 3.1 gen2 ;). Currently there is no real time preassure because only one Z270 ITX board will have the new connector.
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How convenient I was planning on using the Asus Z270I board!
 
Seeing as germany is first on the list, would this mean that caseking gets their shipment soon? Or will this be a seperate shipment after all the backers get their cases?
 
Nothing beats the reliability of the 3M riser, and I'm grateful that it is the riser included in the A4. However it is quite expensive, so if you could lower the case price tag for future batches by using an alternative riser that works just as great as the 3M, the target group of this case can be increased.
 
buddylee7 said:
For those of you going with the Kaby Lake (and Dan A4 Case) which RAM do you plan on going with? I'm looking at the DDR 4266 compared to DDR4 3600. Would I see any major performance gains?

3600 Example: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232491
4266 Example: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232497
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I am waiting on a 4266 2x16GB kit. Not available yet. 3200 2x16GB will suffice for now. Quite the boost for DDR4 this time around.
 
There was a decent deal with the Jet discount on 16GB of Team Vulcan 3000mhz RAM (70$). Went with those, personally.

I looked at those and other benchmarks and it seems like diminishing returns kick in around 3200mhz or so with the majority of games.
 
Aircoookie said:
Delidding improves the thermal flow from the CPU to the heatsink, nothing else. It only conveys significant temperature improvements if the cooler can handle the heat. Likely the C7 or L9i capabilities will be the bottleneck here. That said, temperature will drop by a few degrees anyways because the cooler can diffuse the heat more effectively if its temperature (difference to ambient) is higher.
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I agree, there will be only a few degrees difference with these coolers (tested it myself). But I also think that peaks in temperature will be handled better. So if done right, delidding and updrading the TIM is always good (except when the heatspreader is soldered, find out first before destroying your cpu).
 
StaticSounds said:
I mean otherwise they'd be using shielded onboard slots and warning about tucking your cables away underneath the board. Also the inflicted interference should be about the same on the negative signal wire as onto the positive on the riser - digital signals are very resistant to noise.
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Onboard PCIe slots DO use shielded paths, the traces running inside the motherboard layers are shielded by being surrounded by ground planes (stripline). This is done both to shield the PCIe lines from all the EMF producing parts on the motherboard (power phases, other buses line USB3, etc) and to shield PCIe lanes from each other. This second interference mode is called 'crosstalk'. When you add a riser, this also needs to be shielded against EMF and crosstalk.
 
Damn, would still recommend getting those 90 degree connectors though.
 
StaticSounds said:
Crosstalk between risers is irrellevant in an ITX setup I'd say ;)
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Is this a joke?

If not: A riser have many wires next to each other, crosstalk means that a signal on one wire will interfere with the signal to the wires next to it. For this reason every cable line on the 3M riser is surrounded by a shield and this shield is grounded.
 
I would want to see another mini-itx Dan case in the future with just the space for the mobo, a bit more space for cpu cooler, GPUs up to just 8.3 inches like the new Zotac GTX1080 mini and psus up to SFX-L (vent could go facing front maybe?). Nothing else, no ssds (just m.2 on mobo from now on).
 
dondan said:
One Backer that collected the case directly in my Warehouse posted this:

MSI 10x0 will fit:
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And also the long Gigabyte 970 G1 cards:

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We've got to get case thermals with that windforce gpu, gta know how it affects temps with 3 fans.
 
StaticSounds said:
The case acts as a faraday cage. There is no point in shielding internally, unless you got some crappy hardware.
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Keeping EMI in the case isn't the same as preventing interference, noise, crosstalk, ect, between circuits that you'd likely want to function correctly - which is the purpose of the shielded cable.
 
dondan said:
One Backer that collected the case directly in my Warehouse posted this:

MSI 10x0 will fit:
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I really hope my classified will fir without low profile connectors... I only bought it because Luke from LTT was able to fit a 1080 Classy in the case.
 
buddylee7 said:
For those of you going with the Kaby Lake (and Dan A4 Case) which RAM do you plan on going with? I'm looking at the DDR 4266 compared to DDR4 3600. Would I see any major performance gains?

3600 Example: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232491
4266 Example: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232497
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I don't really see a reason to jump up in RAM speed because I won't really be editing or doing computations on this machine... just gaming.
 
akhilv1 said:
I really hope my classified will fir without low profile connectors... I only bought it because Luke from LTT was able to fit a 1080 Classy in the case.
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its very easy to turn your pcie into low-pro without an adapter. google it.
 
akhilv1 said:
I don't really see a reason to jump up in RAM speed because I won't really be editing or doing computations on this machine... just gaming.
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I'll probably end up going with the cheapest 32GB dual channel kit I can find from a reputable manufacturer.
 
I'm excited as the next guy to get my case that we all backed, but is the lack of reviews with temperature results besides the one 6+ months ago and the very brief analysis given by Linus telling? I figured Dan would have done his best to get professional reviews from reputable sites with temperature and noise testing done. The lack of concrete info with several different setups makes me a little bit nervous.

With the tight enclosure and all the ventilation holes on the sides and top, how close will this case be to an open-air-bench type situation? Has there been any discussion about installing "fins" on the inside of side panels to "isolate" the fans to receiving only fresh air?
 
tviceman said:
installing "fins" on the inside of side panels to "isolate" the fans to receiving only fresh air
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that's called a shroud and each board being different means youd have to make you own. and dan did temp testing, reviewers probably will too as the case start getting into their hands. the videos that are out now id call more of a preview than a review. you've been following the thread long enough to know this...
 
Is that yours?

I've had small defects/variations in retail lian li cases before. (Panel not 100% flush with another panel, very very slight curve in what should be a totally flat edge, etc.) I'd expect this to be no different, like any other consumer product. I'm looking at an old Q11 in my entertainment cabinet right now that has a side panel that does not sit flush with the main chassis. Happens.
 
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