DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

rude said:
Hi guys,

I have a friend who is really in need of a Dan Case, if any of you want to sell yours now he will be more than happy to take yours off of your hands.

Please PM me or e-mail me on danger.friedman@gmail.com


Thanks,
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Nobody has any, they are still being manufactured (except some prototypes for reviews). Your friend will be able to get one from a retailer shortly after backers get theirs, don't worry ;)
 
Dethroy said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I wasn't writing about the SM951...
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You are completely right, I didn't know of the sm961 and I was confusing it for the sm951. It turns out the sm961 is newer than the 950pro (and better and cheaper but with less 3 year warranty instead of 5 and without software)
 
CknSalad said:
For those still undecided about which psu to choose, FireWolfy states that the highest power consumption using a Kil-a-Watt was 255w using an i7 6700K and Gigabyte ITX 1070. Thus, it seems that a GTX 1080 and i7 should run fine with the Corsair SF450 as the wall power consumption should be around 300w.
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What about a few of the higher end 1080s that use almost as much power than a 980 Ti? I know the 980 Ti max draw hovers around 250 (with the exception the EVGA Classified at 300, for instance), but the EVGA 1080 FTW and Classified can draw 215 and 245 watts, respectively. If you're looking at either of those cards (and especially the Classified), does that change the answer at all?
 
barvis said:
What about a few of the higher end 1080s that use almost as much power than a 980 Ti? I know the 980 Ti hovers around 250 (with the exception the EVGA Classified at 300, for instance), but the EVGA 1080 FTW and Classified use 215 and 245 watts, respectively. If you're looking at either of those cards (and especially the Classified), does that change the answer at all?
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The EVGA 1080 FTW should be fine. Until the voltage is unlocked via a custom bios, the most I see a 1080 FTW use is around 200-205W. Typically, it should be around 315w (+/- 10W depending on game and settings). Take into account power efficiency (assume 90%), that would mean roughly 63%. At the very worst while gaming, you will see around 65% psu load, which is fine.

Honestly, unless you are thinking of selling your gpu (GTX 1080 FTW) as those tend to have better resale value, I would just go with the GTX 1080 SC. It uses the reference board, but cools a lot better than reference and overclocks still well that it falls 2-3 fps short on average. Overclocking in general just seems a bit underwhelming due to Pascal's efficiency. Maybe that will change with the 1080 TI, who knows.
 
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CknSalad said:
The EVGA 1080 FTW should be fine. Until the voltage is unlocked via a custom bios, the most I see a 1080 FTW use is around 200-205W. Typically, it should be around 315w (+/- 10W depending on game and settings). Take into account power efficiency (assume 90%), that would mean roughly 63%. At the very worst while gaming, you will see around 65% psu load, which is fine.

Honestly, unless you are thinking of selling your gpu (GTX 1080 FTW) as those tend to have better resale value, I would just go with the GTX 1080 SC. It uses the reference board, but cools a lot better than reference and overclocks still well that it falls 2-3 fps short on average. Overclocking in general just seems a bit underwhelming due to Pascal's efficiency. Maybe that will change with the 1080 TI, who knows.
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I was actually looking at the SC myself. :) I was honestly just surprised when I saw those high numbers on EVGA's website and grew curious.
 
barvis said:
I was actually looking at the SC myself. :) I was honestly just surprised when I saw those high numbers on EVGA's website and grew curious.
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It is merely saying the power envelope allowed is up to that due to more power phases (at least double the number) for the FTW or Classified.

Overclocking in Pascal is highly dependent on Silicon Lottery this time around, so it does not seem really matter which aftermarket air-cooling gpu brand (Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA, MSI, etc) you get unless you want to for up an extra $100 (classified, lightning) for possibly 3-5 more fps at most.

Modest gtx 1080 or 1070 overclocks seem to add only around 15W or so. I wonder how many people will actually put in a 980 TI or 1080 TI in their Dan A4.
 
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From what I see, it seems that you will range from 2050MHz - 2135 MHz peak for core speed. I think unfortunately the average seems to be around 2050 MHz, while 2088MHz is above average. It is unknown how conservative and thus how much a GTX 1080 can be overclocked with a more aggressive bios with unlocked voltage.

It is obvious that Nvidia's focus was a lot more on pushing efficiency and testing the 16nm process.
 
Ca11idus said:
I looked into doing the same thing with the same cooler. I would invert the power supply so the rad would dump the hot air in the psu and then the psu would dump it outside of the case. The Dan A4 only has some 40-45mm clearance for the gpu compartment. The rad with the fan is 37mm but you have the tubes that don't really bend that well and if it doesn't have enough clearance then it might just reduce or stop the flow of the coolant due to the extreme bends.

I would go with the C7 and a full sized GPU. But if you are brave I would love to see if it does fit.
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I made my own very simple 3D model based on the pictures of all the components and the case. If you use a SFX PSU instead of an SFX-L it should fit without a problem. With SFX-L it would probably not fit and if it does it would do so just barely. For me this isn't really a problem. I will just make it fit with the help of a 3D-printer, a mill and loads of other tools. xD
Of course I haven't bought the parts yet, the idea is to wait until the case arrives and then properly measure everything to make sure it can work.
 
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CrazyManCan said:
I was considering the ASUS Z170I PRO GAMING:
https://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-...d=1472667323&sr=8-1&keywords=z170i+pro+gaming

Pairing that with a i7 6700k 4ghz. I saw in the OP he mentioned mITX support but just wanted to make sure there isn't some specific issues with certain motherboards since I've never done a mini build before.
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That's fair, I think because this is the internet "any" came across as more of a 'are there mitx mobos that fit this case' instead of what I think you meant which was more along the lines of 'are there any known compatibility issues with specific boards'

That one should be fine
 
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Philfreeze said:
I made my own very simple 3D model based on the pictures of all the components and the case. If you use a SFX PSU instead of an SFX-L it should fit without a problem. With SFX-L it would probably not fit and if it does it would do so just barely. For me this isn't really a problem. I will just make it fit with the help of a 3D-printer, a mill and loads of other tools. xD
Of course I haven't bought the parts yet, the idea is to wait until the case arrives and then properly measure everything to make sure it can work.
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Well, an SFX PSU will deff give it the clearance needed for the hoses. I might do the same thing now to keep my 5820k under 80°C during load.
 
Hello everyone,

Question in regards to the Dan Case A4-SFX as far as compatibility goes.

MOBO: Asrock X99-ITX
GPU: Pascal Titan X

With the above components in mind is it possible to fit an Intel 750 SSD beneath the GPU / PSU and connect to the motherboard via M.2 to U.2 add-on card? Or would adding such a card interfere with the selection limited selection of coolers for the CPU even further?

Thank you very much!
 
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Hello everyone,

Maybe I missed something in this thread, but is there any reason to wait the sending of PCI riser before starting the build of the cases ? It seems it could have been parallelized since Dan will verify and send himself each case to us. Sorry if this have been already discussed ...
 
Ooops said:
Hello everyone,

Maybe I missed something in this thread, but is there any reason to wait the sending of PCI riser before starting the build of the cases ? It seems it could have been parallelized since Dan will verify and send himself each case to us. Sorry if this have been already discussed ...
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I guess if 3M failed to deliver the risers permanently for some reason, Dan will not sit there with 1500 semi-unusable cases. He could then refund the money instead because he would be unable to deliver the case as advertised. Such a big company like 3M is not likely to screw up that badly though :D Another reason could be that the risers are directly delivered to Lian Li, so they may already assemble them inside the case right when it is made.
 
Probably thr latter: if the risers are delivered first, then when the cases are manufactured and assembled everything can be done all at once. If the risers are late, then the cases get manufactured, then assembled, then for every single case someone has to be paid of open up the case again, install the riser, QC to make sure that nothing got broken/damaged/displaced/misplaced during this step (e.g. ding the side panel, lose a screw, etc), and repackaged again. That's a lot of wasted labour costs.
 
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The risers will be directly dilivere to Lian Li. Lian Li will start manufacturing 4 weeks before the riser will arrive.
 
Victheslik said:
Hello everyone,

Question in regards to the Dan Case A4-SFX as far as compatibility goes.

MOBO: Asrock X99-ITX
GPU: Pascal Titan X

With the above components in mind is it possible to fit an Intel 750 SSD beneath the GPU / PSU and connect to the motherboard via M.2 to U.2 add-on card? Or would adding such a card interfere with the selection limited selection of coolers for the CPU even further?

Thank you very much!
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yeah it will work with an asus hyper kit but the ssd it taller then a standard ssd, why not get a Samsung 950 to fit the m.2? or an asus Maximus impact 8 mobo it has a u.2 connector , Im thinking of getting the 750 myself, but for mostly gaming its not going to but worth the price
 
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Ah yes, I hadn't seen it was screwed to the case, I thought the riser was just a spare part, you know wrapped in plastic. I understand now the process :).
 
I have decided to move on to a laptop instead of desktops for portability, I want to sell my kickstarter slot, any takers?
 
voodosheeb said:
yeah it will work with an asus hyper kit but the ssd it taller then a standard ssd, why not get a Samsung 950 to fit the m.2? or an asus Maximus impact 8 mobo it has a u.2 connector , Im thinking of getting the 750 myself, but for mostly gaming its not going to but worth the price
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No adapter, no bottleneck ... ;) It's my choice.

Disk 0: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4
Max Sequential Read
Up to 2500 MBps
Max Sequential Write
Up to 1500 MBps
4KB Random Read
Up to 300,000 IOPS (4KB, QD32)
Up to 12,000 IOPS (4KB, QD1)
4KB Random Write
Up to 110,000 IOPS (4KB, QD32)
Up to 43,000 IOPS (4KB, QD1)
Disk 1: SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5" 2TB SATA III 3-D Vertical
Max Sequential Read
Up to 550 MBps
Max Sequential Write
Up to 520 MBps
4KB Random Read
Up to 100,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write
Up to 90,000 IOPS
 
Dethroy said:
Will be interesting to see how it faires against the Samsungs SM961 (which is imho the smarter pick than the 950 Pro). Prices seem to be almost identical: SM961 = 198€ vs 600P = 197€.
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The SM961 is way cheaper, I just pre ordered an SM961 for 140€ shipping included at flexmemory.

Also, do you guys think a delided 6700k with a high-end liquid metal paste would be cooler with a cryorig C7 ?
 
Oh googe where art though in PataPata direst time? Lol, found this

Photos and Tests of Skylake (Intel Core i7-6700K) Delidded | PC Perspective
At 4.0 GHz, PK-3 dropped the temperature by about 4 degrees Celsius, while Liquid Metal knocked it down 16 degrees. At 4.6 GHz, PK-3 continued to give a delta of about 4 degrees, while Liquid Metal widened its gap to 20 degrees. It reduced an 88 C temperature to 68 C!
 
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If I go with an m.2 SSD instead of a traditional 2.5" drive, will 92mm fans be able to fit laying on the bottom of the case?
 
I heard liquid metal only lasts for so long (maybe a year), while it is not the easiest to apply. How good is the CryOrig C7 thermal paste?
 
The CryOrig C7 Thermal Paste is comparable to the highly touted top ten performing Noctua NT-H1. I remember reading a forum and on a site that the C7 Thermal Paste comes from pretty much the same factory for Noctua, but just with different packaging. I do not understand why people to this day recommend Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste.
 
CknSalad said:
The CryOrig C7 Thermal Paste is comparable to the highly touted top ten performing Noctua NT-H1. I remember reading a forum and on a site that the C7 Thermal Paste comes from pretty much the same factory for Noctua, but just with different packaging. I do not understand why people to this day recommend Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste.
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Nostalgia & rose tinted glasses. I still use AS5, purely because I'm yet to finish the tube that I bought 10 years ago.

I've been doing a little digging around for better thermal pastes though, as I figured there would be better options after 10 years. So far I've found a fairly in depth review from 2013 at Toms Hardware but still searching for something newer.
 
Victheslik said:
Hello everyone,

Question in regards to the Dan Case A4-SFX as far as compatibility goes.

MOBO: Asrock X99-ITX
GPU: Pascal Titan X

With the above components in mind is it possible to fit an Intel 750 SSD beneath the GPU / PSU and connect to the motherboard via M.2 to U.2 add-on card? Or would adding such a card interfere with the selection limited selection of coolers for the CPU even further?

Thank you very much!
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voodosheeb said:
yeah it will work with an asus hyper kit but the ssd it taller then a standard ssd, why not get a Samsung 950 to fit the m.2? or an asus Maximus impact 8 mobo it has a u.2 connector , Im thinking of getting the 750 myself, but for mostly gaming its not going to but worth the price
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Or, you could simply use the version of the Intel 750 Series 2.5" SSD that has the cable with a M.2 connector on it, rather than the original that has the U.2 connector…

Intel 750 Series 2.5" U.2 (M.2 adaptor) 400GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSDPE2MW400G4M2 - Newegg.com

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