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Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by dondan, Dec 30, 2013.
Excellent! Looking forward to hearing more.
The average temperature of the core is 68°C
It can never cool 130W
In the comments people are saying that the 1080 might not fit, but what will not fit is that cooler in the pic, unless he is planning a fanless build which I hope he is not. Dan was saying Linus sourced a C7 from cryorig so I'm not sure what is going on.
That doesn't look like a very high-end Mobo, but I am not sure what model it is. Also I think a larger multi-fan open air gpu would perform better as was previously demonstrated by Dan.
It's this one ASRock Rack > EPC612D4I
Can't use a C7 with LGA2011.
Oh I see, this is the xeon build with the skylake build coming later I guess.
In the first post of this thread, Dan says a 1080FE fits in the A4.
Yes, that is what I am trying to point out. The commenters are coming to conclusions about the capabilities of the case while obviously doing 0 research, yet noone points out that this case cannot fit a 65mm cooler.
That is the state of the "common" consumer. Misinformed and unwilling to do any research. Then they'll wait for reviewers to get information that's already out there. I guess 5 min of research is too hard for most folks. So many talks about the gtx 1080 not fitting, temps going out the roof, etc.
Linus don't use the L9x65, he takes only the FAN and clamps and put it on a T318:
I just registered here to participate in an awesome thread about an awesome case. Due to financial shortcomings at the very moment I couldn't support the kickstarter campaign. But I plan on buying an A4-SFX once the next batch will be available for purchase. Having said that, I already ordered an Cryorig C7 and have been planning the rest of the build. But there a few things I'm not certain about yet...
Dan himself mentioned that the i7-6700 might be a better fit for most users than the i7-6700K since it'll allow for a more silent and cooler system while ending up with very similar performance. So my question is: Will a C7 be sufficient enough to cool a 6700K with a small overlock at a silent level/less than 100% rpm? Or do you think that the lower TDP of 65W of the i7-6700 will be a better match? But then again, according to silentpcreview - like illram has pointed out - the i7-6700 is much closer to the K variant in power consumption (tested here) than suggested. I really don't know what do at this point... Maybe even wait for Cannonlake?
The other decision I'm uncertain about is the GPU. I've pinned it down to 3 cards by now:
EVGA GTX 1070 SC (nice review at techpowerup)
EVGA GTX 1070 FTW (wondering if it'll be even quieter and cooler due to 10mm bigger fans and beefier heatsinks than the SC, but unfortunately no reviews of both EVGA cards from the same source so far)
MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X (a bit worried about size)
Right now I am leaning towards the EVGA FTW due to beeing possibly even quieter than the SC, having a custom PCB with 10+2 VRM phases + 2x 8-pin power connectors (reviews so far suggest that this doesn't translate to real world benefits though), a higher power target and dual BIOS. What cards have you guys been eyeballing so far?
Can't say much about the rpm of the c7, but in this review it handled a 6700k at 1.25v quite well (see the temp chart as main review is about the c1), so at least a small oc should be possible.
Gpu wise, I think the bigger fan solution might be best. I think Dan previously mentioned the possibility of trying out the MSI, but at the time sounded uncertain whether he would purchase one.
IMO. If you are going for a new build, and the build will be around Dan A4-SFX case, which you won't be buying/receiving until after early 2017, I would recommend you to wait for Kaby Lake. About the CPU is up to you, here in Europe the low TDP versions of the i7 are more expensive, and as you saw on the graphics, the temperatures and power draw are similar on the real world. I would keep the K version whether you OC it or not. The K version is a bit more powerful than the other versions, and if you want to OC on the future, you still have the option to, though I wouldn't on Dan's case.
I will go for the 1070 too, but I will wait until I receive my case to see if the price drops at least 50 euros. I liked the EVGA because it requires only 1 [8 pin] connector, though I want the MSI gaming X if it fits (to reduce noise at maximum and because I would like to add a window to show the card at some point). Although I might end up buying EVGA, because in the end the main source of noise in the case will be the PSU, and not the CPU or VGA cooler.
Thanks for the link KarateOC
Thanks for your advice. According to TPU the EVGA GTX 1070 SC is even quieter than the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X (29 vs 30 dBA). Apart from that - imho - the EVGA card looks better as well.
Edit: Cannonlake will be the next tick / die shrink, so I don't expect Kaby Lake to use less W...
For those who were waiting, Cryorig sent me a PM indicating the C7 is back in stock at Amazon US (verified by going to the product page on Amazon). PCPartPicker has yet to notice the stock refresh and return to "normal" pricing.
Just need the C7 to be on sale on Amazon.co.uk too now...
That's great. I wonder if they are now shipping with additional fan clips.
I can ask them for you
I don't know why Linus is using that server board for his ultimate-maximum-everything build. If he wants to use a Xeon or a Broadwell-E chip, he can just use the ASRock X99E-ITX/ac. The only advantage the server board has is 4 SODIMM slots for quad-channel memory, but honestly dual-channel vs quad-channel is virtually indistinguishable in the real world. I guess he used the X99E-ITX/ac for his previous ultra small build in the SG13, so he wanted to do something different this time. But he may have gone too far, I mean that board doesn't have audio and just 2 USB ports... it's for servers. So I don't know where he plans to get audio from. He could plug in an external DAC, but that would only leave him with 1 USB port, and he'll need 2 more for mouse and keyboard. I guess he could use the front USB port too, but... it'll have to stay permanently plugged in. Or a USB hub. It'll be a little silly for a showoff build to have all of those dongles, especially when you're trying to sell the notion of supersmall. That board is severely underspecced for consumer use and I worry the build may give newbie builders the wrong impression that the A4-SFX only supports SODIMMs and/or boards with limited IO or something... I guess we'll find out on Monday. I can see why Linus is excited about this project though as it combines his 2 passions - SFF and server stuff. And he's also doing a regular Skylake build, but I think most people would be more interested in his ultimate power build. His previous smallest ultrapoweful build video got 1.5 million views, so this may just by far exceed all the exposure the A4-SFX has gotten so far... so I hope he does a good job and represents the case well.
Dan, my 6800K is overclocked to 4.2GHz in the ASRock X99E-ITX/ac at 1.25v VCore and 1.2v cache, and it consumes 120W at full load with synthetic tests. That's as high as the chip will go without requiring ridiculous voltage (i.e. 1.45-1.5v). And your Dynatron T318 solution is rated at 140W, so you already support enthusiast line Intel chips OCed pretty much as far as they will go at safe voltages. It's just a matter of noise, but the support is there.
Thank you, Dan. I appreciate it.
Last night, I was checking the Cryorig C7 on Amazon and read some of the questions answered by Cryorig Official Store representative. Then I saw this,
I searched the web for any 92mm x 10mm fans and found nothing. The closest I could find were the Noctua NF-A9x14 (92mm x 14mm), and the Scythe Kaze Jyu Slim (100mm x12mm with mounting holes for 92mm).
The 10mm they're referring to is the one in red, or the one in the blue?
That is the thickness dimension (blue) they are referring to.
DC Fan, 12/24V, 92 x 92 x 10mm, Available in PWM/FG | Global Sources
Found 1 92x10 fan using Google.
Dan, would it be possible to have official google docs file or such, where we could collect all the gpu's and what not that fits or doesnt fit the case?
Im also wondering about the cable management. Ive got 2x SS SZ600-G's and no idea how well the vanilla cables will fit. Same with recommended cable lengths for SSD's. Would be nice to have all the info collected nice and neat in one place. Ive had issues with too long cables in much bigger cases, so kinda would like to get this right on the first try
But I concern that is it really better than the original fan of Cryorig C7?
PCPartPicker has updated the Amazon C7 prices now!
Hey guys I have a few questions. Please go easy on me I am learning and this is my first PC. Just want to be sure about everything before ordering my parts (already ordered my A4)
I want to know if this motherboard will be compatible with the A4 and the Cryorg C7. The motherboard is the Gigabyte GA-Z170N-WIFI motherboard.
GIGABYTE GA-Z170N-WIFI (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com
Will this motherboard fit in the A4 with no problems? Will the Cryorg C7 work with this motherboard? And lastly I read something about angled SATA connectors from other users, will I need those for this motherboard?
Last question, I am thinking about getting the G Skill Ripjaws Series ram. Will this fit in the A4 or is it too high?
I apologize for all of the questions! I would be very appreciative if someone more knowledgable than myself can help me out with this before I order the components. Thanks
Yes to both.
It looks like this board has angled connectors on the board so yes you probably will need angled cables.
I think the maximum RAM height is 47mm.
You can never ask too many questions!
Thank you for the nice reply. I found the max height for ram in the Dan A4 but I cannot find any measurement of the ram itself! thats why I asked, maybe I will research further.
About the angled cables, where can I find these? And what are they connected to?
I was hoping it will be the red one (10mm being the maximum dimension that the clip could hold) so that the C7 could support any 92mm fans. Anyway, we'll just have to find out if 10mm will be the final thickness that the clip could support.
That is also my concern. If ever it is better than the C7's fan, I'm not sure if I will buy that especially with a minimum order of 500 pcs.
Here's a link. Use them like normal SATA cables.
I think all of gskill's ddr4 ripjaws kits will fit, but which one were you looking at specifically?
I doubt that you will find many aftermarket 92x10mm fans, and I doubt that they will be significantly "better" than the OEM fan in terms of airflow/noise. If thicker fans can be mounted, they won't fit in the A4 case as the stock C7 just fits.
The consensus is that the C7 is one of the best coolers for this case and a good option regardless of case for "consumer" CPUs from Intel. Buy and use as-is or choose another cooler/fan combination. I was looking seriously at the Silverstone AR-06 but was concerned about the orientation of the heatpipes and conflicts with the heatpipes and motherboard components that would force me to use a less than optimal orientation of the cooler (with respect to heatpipes). The C7 seems not to have this issue and is by Dan's testing a better performer.
I think the only reason to mount something other than the stock fan would be to use something bigger than 92mm. I think I saw a 100x10mm fan on here, but not sure how it stacks up against the stock one
In case if this was not yet posted, LTT tweeted this photo the other day;
I highly doubt it'll perform better than the fan provided by Cryorig. They've certainly tested different setups (fan sizes, etc.) themselves and concluded that the final product they are offering was the absolute best they could possibly achieve within the dimensions and price they were targeting.
Do you guys think it's a safe bet to buy a Cryorig C7 now at $30? There isn't any new Intel chips slated for the end of the year right? Just the current Z170 chips?
You're mixing up chipsets & sockets.
Skylake is an 1151 socket processor. Kabylake (due out end of this year, and Cannon Lake due end 2017 will both also be 1151 socket processors. So the C7 should be compatible with all 3.
Z170 is a motherboard chipset. Along with Kabylake at the end of this year, Z270 motherboards are expected to arrive too.
C7 is forced to be off-center to clear off the inner DIMM slot, forcing C7 to overlapp part of the chipset and the M.2 SSD. Have you confirmed that the C7 mounted onto a CPU on X99E-ITX/ac will clear the top of the chipset heatsink as well as the top of the M.2 SSD/screw?
I believe the center of the X99E-ITX/ac CPU socket (hence the center of whatever CPU mounted on it) is approx 41mm away from the inner DIMM slot, forcing the center of the (current version of) 38x38mm square copper base of C7 (which I believe is centered within the 97x95mm rectangular heatsink footprint) to be at least about 7.5mm offset towards the M.2 slot side. Based on the margins of the CPU PCB outside the IHS shown in this photo, I think the copper base of C7 will have to hang over the CPU IHS by at least 4mm on the M.2 slot side of it, and at least 10mm of the CPU IHS will not be covered by the copper base on the DIMM slots side of it. This makes me curious if the C7 will perform as commendably as it did in your LGA115x test when the contact between its copper base and the IHS of a Haswell-E/EP or a Broadwell-E/EP CPU is not really optimal. This is different from Dynatron T318 which doesn't have a protruded base on the bottom of the heatsink like C7 does, but isntead just a flat vapor chamber on the entire bottom side of the heatsink.
I think a 120mm fan under the heatsink fins will interfere with the DIMM slots on most of the Mini-ITX motherboards even if you choose the slimmest one available. And once you choose a slim 100mm fan like TY-100 or Scythe Kaze-Jyu Slim as you did in your test, Isn't the setup more or less the same as the Phanteks heatsink you tested in terms of heatsink size and the fan configuration? The Phanteks heatsink turned out to be a poor performer but you think it's worth giving this Nexus one a shot?
I'm slowly amassing parts as well. K/S paid for, just got the motherboard in from Prime day ($33 shipped!) and just bought the Cryorig C7 when I saw it was back in stock. I can't wait!