Cyberpunk 2077: Night City Wire premieres June 25

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IMO, your experience with Cyberpunk will vary depending on your hardware and your expectations. It's buggy in an "unpolished" way moreso than in a flat-out broken way. It's playable beginning to end using a lot of different builds and approaches and nearly all mission bugs are fixed by going to a save prior to the mission. Even Bethesda can't claim that. Bethesda's worlds tend to be more polished and less eyeroll-worthy, but the bugs are typically more severe, too. At least for the first 6 months.

Hardware-wise, I found that the visuals don't necessarily reflect the hardware needed to achieve them. That's not even counting ray tracing, which looks impressive, but basically requires the highest-end possible hardware. That is unless you're cool with FPS in the 30's or lots of random bogdowns. Even with good hardware you're going to need to use one of the more aggressive DLSS modes. If you're on a system from 2-3 years ago the game doesn't look that great.

no one is saying that it's broken or unplayable...that's an exaggeration...unpolished, unfinished, buggy etc whatever adjectives you want to use but the game in its original state was not up to the standards of a AAA release from a AAA developer

lots of games are buggy on release but not to the extent of CP2077
 

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. If you're on a system from 2-3 years ago the game doesn't look that great.
That's a wild exaggeration. It's one of the best looking games I've seen. And my pc is 2-3 years old. DLSS Quality, RTX: Ultra. I get 45 fps. Perfectly playable on a 2-3 year old PC.
 

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I love how the latest 1.2 patch has something like 484 fixes yet we still have the same people saying that there are barely any bugs or they have only seen maybe 1-2 bugs lol...so the developer is lying, reviewers are lying and anyone who posts about these bugs is lying...
You still trying to deny people's own experiences based on hearsay? You do know that not all bugs are encountered by everyone, right? Skyrim was worse than CP2077 for me at release. CP2077 might be worse than average, but by no means as bad as the hateclick collectors make it out. The worst issue I had was fixed in the first patch back in december. Not the day 1 patch, but the one after that. Since then there was nothing I haven't seen in many other AAA games.
 

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You still trying to deny people's own experiences based on hearsay? You do know that not all bugs are encountered by everyone, right? Skyrim was worse than CP2077 for me at release. CP2077 might be worse than average, but by no means as bad as the hateclick collectors make it out. The worst issue I had was fixed in the first patch back in december. Not the day 1 patch, but the one after that. Since then there was nothing I haven't seen in many other AAA games.

The thing that really helps Cyberpunk is the quick save system. I've had a few triggers fail for objectives. Eventually I figured out what happened, and reloading only set me back a few minutes. Most modern games that would've set me back 20-30 minutes, sometimes maybe even more. So they were minor inconveniences in Cypberpunk. Remove that quick save system, and it would've became a major disruption of gameplay.

Aside from that, mostly animations breaking (slightly) and the like. The really bad things got fixed quickly via the hot fix updates. Unless you're on console. But on PC, it was a pretty smooth experience. I assume 1.2 is even better.
 

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I installed the patch and was disappointed that the two quests that bugged out on me (the rogue AI taxi one... at some point it simply listed as 'Failed' in the log then later disappeared altogether... and the vending machine one which is now just an endless unknown side gig where nothing happens) were not fixed by the patch set. On the other hand, about 3 minutes in, I watched some walking NPCs literally vanish into thin air near said vending machine.

I also was hoping the bug that removed legendary patterns from clothing stores after the first visit would have been fixed but it does not appear to be, at least near as I can tell. That was the other thing I was looking forward to.

I'm not playing the game much nowadays. Once approaching Level 50 the game is simply too easy - none of the content poses any challenge... it's just something to be done. I personally never found the game to be showstopper-buggy so I probably would lean toward wanting more content at this point. I've done a few of the endings but honestly can't remember which ones, and since I don't want to trudge through an ending I already did, I don't feel much incentive to do any of the others.

Similarly, while I enjoyed my street kid playthrough and am curious how the first couple of hours would play like as corpo or nomad, I'm not sure I care enough to bother a new game. Perhaps if a new game let me replay with scaled content and continue to level and improve skills, that would be interesting.
 

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no one is saying that it's broken or unplayable...that's an exaggeration...unpolished, unfinished, buggy etc whatever adjectives you want to use but the game in its original state was not up to the standards of a AAA release from a AAA developer

lots of games are buggy on release but not to the extent of CP2077
Depends on what games you are looking at. My experience was that the game lacked quite a bit of polish and had some minor annoyances, but very few severe bugs outside of a memory leak on loading an area or a save . E.g. I had a lot more severe issues with Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS4 PRO on release than I had in Cyberpunk 2077 on PC and I did finish Cyberpunk on the 1.06 release. I did have to replay several hours multiple times in RDR2 due to game breaking bugs, but only had to redo 15 minutes or so once in Cyberpunk 2077.

Afaik fast systems e.g. fast SSDs, CPU and GPU along 32gb or more system ram had less issues than mid range systems. Not the first time the internet is screaming about a game being buggy, but then it ends up being mostly lack of polish or minor issues. If you compare Cyberpunk to fallout games etc. then Cyberpunk is almost bug free, yet the complaints on the launch of Fallout 3 were almost non-existent compared to the amount of people complaining about Cyberpunk. I saw very few of the bugs that the internet was shouting about so it makes me wonder if it is the flock of sheep mentality where everyone is looking to claim someone else's bug as something they experienced or if it is a lot more buggy in mid-end hardware.
 

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Depends on what games you are looking at. My experience was that the game lacked quite a bit of polish and had some minor annoyances, but very few severe bugs outside of a memory leak on loading an area or a save . E.g. I had a lot more severe issues with Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS4 PRO on release than I had in Cyberpunk 2077 on PC and I did finish Cyberpunk on the 1.06 release. I did have to replay several hours multiple times in RDR2 due to game breaking bugs, but only had to redo 15 minutes or so once in Cyberpunk 2077.

Afaik fast systems e.g. fast SSDs, CPU and GPU along 32gb or more system ram had less issues than mid range systems. Not the first time the internet is screaming about a game being buggy, but then it ends up being mostly lack of polish or minor issues. If you compare Cyberpunk to fallout games etc. then Cyberpunk is almost bug free, yet the complaints on the launch of Fallout 3 were almost non-existent compared to the amount of people complaining about Cyberpunk. I saw very few of the bugs that the internet was shouting about so it makes me wonder if it is the flock of sheep mentality where everyone is looking to claim someone else's bug as something they experienced or if it is a lot more buggy in mid-end hardware.
My brother played on a 970, other than the obvious IQ settings downgrade he did not have any major bugs. Some minor graphical issues was all he experienced.

Its really a symptom of our time, paid actors, mob mentality, the hype (and counter hype), and ultimately the click driven industry that makes up our 'news'.

CP2077 isn't perfect, but its far better than polonyc2 beleives. In fact CP2077s most fatal flaws are not bugs or glitchs, but the lack of challenge and AI.
 

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Its really a symptom of our time, paid actors, mob mentality, the hype (and counter hype), and ultimately the click driven industry that makes up our 'news'.

CP2077 isn't perfect, but its far better than polonyc2 beleives. In fact CP2077s most fatal flaws are not bugs or glitchs, but the lack of challenge and AI.
Well said. The phenomenon where some of the loudest and most outraged haven't even played the game to form their own opinion is a weird one. Bandwagon tribalism and groupthink seem to be increasing as the world is more interconnected yet people feel more isolated.

Contrarianism i.e. locking oneself into a position and then arguing from that position no matter, what also seems to be its own kind of mini-game for some people.

I'm guilty of it too. Elder Scrolls Online I hate-trained but never played it. I've also defended games I never played because it seemed like they were getting trashed for dumb reasons. It was dumb, a waste of time and energy in retrospect. Life's too short.
 
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My brother played on a 970, other than the obvious IQ settings downgrade he did not have any major bugs. Some minor graphical issues was all he experienced.

Its really a symptom of our time, paid actors, mob mentality, the hype (and counter hype), and ultimately the click driven industry that makes up our 'news'.

CP2077 isn't perfect, but its far better than polonyc2 beleives. In fact CP2077s most fatal flaws are not bugs or glitchs, but the lack of challenge and AI.

for the millionth time I never said the game was terrible...I've stated my opinion very clearly...the problem is that gamers in general are very protective and defensive...they don't have an understanding or awareness that a game can be good but still have a lot of issues...I've said it multiple times in various game threads- gamers only see things as a 10 or a 0 (zero)...there is no in between...they don't understand that a game can be a 7 or 8 and still be considered a very good game

criticizing a game does not mean a person is a 'hater'...I think I've stated that CP2077at release seemed to be about a 7.5 or 8...and yes I continue to wait for it be more polished as I want my first time through a game to be as good as it can be...doesn't mean it needs to be a 10 but it needs to be in better shape then what it was on release

and once again you don't need to have played a game to form an opinion on it...that's the entire point of reviews and reading other players opinion...only the hard core gaming geeks buy every game and claim that you can't form an opinion on something you haven't played...that's literally one of the most stupid things I've ever read...of course you can...don't be that stereotypical socially awkward gamer who can't see things outside their nerdy bubble...do you buy a car or TV or literally anything without reading others opinion on it first...a lot of gamers don't have a self awareness of games compared to other things

literally every reputable source has said CP2077 still needs major work (even on PC)...is it playable as is- sure...but if that's all you're going for then the bar is pretty low...I keep repeating the same things yet some don't understand and continue to only see it as 'hate' or only cherry pick certain sentences...the game just got 400 bug fixes- many of them effecting PC or even specific to PC...to say the game is not buggy is idiotic...does that mean every person is experiencing every bug- of course not but to continue to ignore the bugs and say that there are only 1 or 2 is doing a disservice to common sense...can I finish the game today on PC and form a good opinion -sure I can but what's wrong with waiting for it to be in better shape?...is something wrong with that?

I wanted to get Horizon Zero Dawn (PC) on Day 1 but was busy with work and other things and ended up waiting...I wasn't planning on waiting a specific amount of time but it just happened...I ended up buying it this week when it went on sale for $29.99...does it mean I couldn't have enjoyed it on Day 1- no...but now it's a better game and anyone rational will agree with that...CP2077 was one of my most anticipated games but the big difference is that I don't have this need to play it on Day 1 no matter what...the main reason I did wait on CP2077 initially was because I didn't have an RTX card...so it was easier to wait as I didn't want to play it on my previous GTX 1070...I got an RTX 3080 at the end of January but by then I was already waiting and missed the release day hype so it was easier to continue to wait

the issue is really something I see on [H] compared to other gaming discussion forums, Discord etc...in those other places I see way more rational, intelligent discussion of the game...anyone who criticizes the game is a paid actor??...seriously?...lots of people who have finished the game on PC have said the game did not live up to the hype and is a bit disappointing...again that doesn't mean they hate it...gamers need to learn the difference between hate and constructive criticism
 
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for the millionth time I never said the game was terrible...I've stated my opinion very clearly...the problem is that gamers in general are very protective and defensive...they don't have an understanding or awareness that a game can be good but still have a lot of issues...I've said it multiple times in various game threads- gamers only see things as a 10 or a 0 (zero)...there is no in between...they don't understand that a game can be a 7 or 8 and still be considered a very good game

criticizing a game does not mean a person is a 'hater'...I think I've stated that CP2077at release seemed to be about a 7.5 or 8...and yes I continue to wait for it be more polished as I want my first time through a game to be as good as it can be...doesn't mean it needs to be a 10 but it needs to be in better shape then what it was on release

and once again you don't need to have played a game to form an opinion on it...that's the entire point of reviews and reading other players opinion...only the hard core gaming geeks buy every game and claim that you can't form an opinion on something you haven't played...that's literally one of the most stupid things I've ever read...of course you can...don't be that stereotypical socially awkward gamer who can't see things outside their nerdy bubble...do you buy a car or TV or literally anything without reading others opinion on it first...a lot of gamers don't have a self awareness of games compared to other things

literally every reputable source has said CP2077 still needs major work (even on PC)...is it playable as is- sure...but if that's all you're going for then the bar is pretty low...I keep repeating the same things yet some don't understand and continue to only see it as 'hate' or only cherry pick certain sentences...the game just got 400 bug fixes- many of them effecting PC or even specific to PC...to say the game is not buggy is idiotic...does that mean every person is experiencing every bug- of course not but to continue to ignore the bugs and say that there are only 1 or 2 is doing a disservice to common sense

the issue is really something I see on [H] compared to other gaming discussion forums, Discord etc...in those other places I see way more rational, intelligent discussion of the game...anyone who criticizes the game is a paid actor??...seriously?...lots of people who have finished the game on PC have said the game did not live up to the hype and is a bit disappointing...again that doesn't mean they hate it...gamers need to learn the difference between hate and constructive criticism
Jesus, you really lack a lot of comprehension.

You also do everything you state, such as invalidating others opinion (based on first hand experience too), making you opinion king (by constantly harping on post after post of anyone stating something positive for fucking pages).

Yes, there are paid actors in this industry, influencers, reviewers, muck rakers and water muddiers. Throw in out clickbate era and voila. If thats too hard to comprehend...
 
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for the millionth time I never said the game was terrible...I've stated my opinion very clearly..
You suffer from third stage fomo, and compulsive obsessively need to deny anyone's take who dared to enjoy the game without waiting indefinitely for it to "get better"
You have been constantly arguing with everyone who has had a positive experience and implied their opinions are wrong because they clash with the "internet consensus" or "reputable sources".
 

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You suffer from third stage fomo, and compulsive obsessively need to deny anyone's take who dared to enjoy the game without waiting indefinitely for it to "get better"
You have been constantly arguing with everyone who has had a positive experience and implied their opinions are wrong because they clash with the "internet consensus" or "reputable sources".

That is the pot calling the kettle black right there lol.
 

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That is the pot calling the kettle black right there lol.
If you are going to use a cliché at least make sure it applies. I actually play games before I form an opinion on them, especially if I'm going to share it.
 

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If you are going to use a cliché at least make sure it applies. I actually play games before I form an opinion on them, especially if I'm going to share it.

It wasn't just about him and you certainly spammed the thread replying to just more than that user. Pot, kettle black still applies.
 
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That is the pot calling the kettle black right there lol.

the irony is that he seems to hate most games and actually is getting on me for choosing to wait to play CP2077...he's a contrarian...games that are popular or get good buzz he will say negative things about...games that get criticized he will take the opposite stance

the crazy thing is that I plan on getting CP2077 and have said that from the start...I'm just choosing to wait for it to be in what I deem to be better shape...anyone that played the Witcher Enhanced Editions know all about how much CDPR can add to a game...there are plenty of other things to do in the mean time...the obsessive need to play games on Day 1 no matter what is crazy...certain gamers literally cannot under any circumstance wait...it's like a drug
 

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the irony is that he seems to hate most games and actually is getting on me for choosing to wait to play CP2077...he's a contrarian...games that are popular or get good buzz he will say negative things about...games that get criticized he will take the opposite stance

the crazy thing is that I plan on getting CP2077 and have said that from the start...I'm just choosing to wait for it to be in what I deem to be better shape...anyone that played the Witcher Enhanced Editions know all about how much CDPR can add to a game...there are plenty of other things to do in the mean time...the obsessive need to play games on Day 1 no matter what is crazy...certain gamers literally cannot under any circumstance wait...it's like a drug

Yup, waiting for game of the year edition myself. I won't elaborate further since I don't want to get dumped on.
 

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Yup, waiting for game of the year edition myself. I won't elaborate further since I don't want to get dumped on.

Part of me wishes I had as well. It is not that I do not like the game but, I have hardly played it. Also, under Linux, the 1.2 Patch broke something that I am sure will eventually be fixed.
 

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Unless pigs start flying, I can't imagine even CDPR being ballsy enough to call any edition of Cyberpunk "Game of the Year." They're gonna have to call it something else like "Complete Edition."
 

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I bought it at launch also, had a ton of bugs and graphic issues when I played it. Also going to wait for it to be completely fixed before I dive in again so I can enjoy the complete package.
 

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Unless pigs start flying, I can't imagine even CDPR being ballsy enough to call any edition of Cyberpunk "Game of the Year." They're gonna have to call it something else like "Complete Edition."
"This is what it should have been at launch edition had it not been for our shareholders edition" Edition :ROFLMAO:
 

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the irony is that he seems to hate most games and actually is getting on me for choosing to wait to play CP2077...

Not really. You keep insisting the game is horrific and unplayable for everyone. The game is flawed, it isn't great. But after the hotfixes it certainly was playable on PC. Not everyone will have the same experience, but a good number of people such as myself were able to finish it. Most bugs were minor animation bugs, occasional triggers failing (quick saves helped here) and the like. It should've been better. But fact is it worked decently for many people. Many other popular AAA games had similar rates of bugs.

the crazy thing is that I plan on getting CP2077 and have said that from the start...I'm just choosing to wait for it to be in what I deem to be better shape...

Then wait. Honestly, it is pretty good as is.

anyone that played the Witcher Enhanced Editions know all about how much CDPR can add to a game..

Not much is going to change. Only major change I see is an overhaul of the craptastic police system because it is one of the worst in video game history. So far it looks like they just decreased spawn frequency and pushed the spawns to being just barely visible. An improvement from in your face/behind your back, but still very simple. Otherwise I don't see the game changing much. You really can't without remaking large portions of the game or rewriting the story.
 
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Not really. You keep insisting the game is horrific and unplayable for everyone. The game is flawed, it isn't great. But after the hotfixes it certainly was playable on PC. Not everyone will have the same experience, but a good number of people such as myself were able to finish it. Most bugs were minor animation bugs, occasional triggers failing (quick saves helped here) and the like. It should've been better. But fact is it worked decently for many people. Many other popular AAA games had similar rates of bugs.

Not much is going to change. Only major change I see is an overhaul of the craptastic police system because it is one of the worst in video game history. So far it looks like they just decreased spawn frequently and push the spawns to being just barely visible. An improvement from in your face/behind your back, but still very simple. Otherwise I don't see the game changing much. You really can't without remaking large portions of the game or rewriting the story.

where did I say the game was unplayable?...can you link my post where I said that...why do you need to exaggerate to make your point?...do you even read and understand what I'm saying or do you just have this script you recite...I think I clearly stated multiple times that you can finish the game on PC on Day 1...so what?...is that your barometer on whether a game has issues or not?...I could finish Arkham Knight on PC when it was first released as well...that doesn't mean it would be the optimal experience...for the 25th time, I want my first time playing the game to be as good as it can be...your first experience is the best experience as everything is new...replays when the game is fully patched is great but it still won't match that first time

what is that so many people on this forum have against waiting?...is Patch 1.2 not a better experience then Day 1?...won't patch 1.5 be better then 1.2?...when Witcher was initially released there was no expectation that an Enhanced Edition would be released...who knows what CDPR has planned for CP2077 (Enhanced Edition?)...it's like I said it's the 'Day 1 Syndrome'...certain gamers just cannot wait...especially for a highly anticipated title like CP2077- they don't have the will power to wait...if a game gets released then they absolutely NEED to play it right away

here's an article from PCGamer...of course the same people will come on and say that they never played the game, they are haters, they don't have a good system etc

If you were waiting for Cyberpunk 2077 to be fixed before playing it…keep waiting

scores of fixes were added in the 1.2 patch, but Cyberpunk is still far from finished...

https://www.pcgamer.com/if-you-were...7-to-be-fixed-before-playing-it-keep-waiting/
 

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I just realized I took a photo of my worst bug, because it is hilarious. I walked out to find this right after mission conclusion. Sadly his body did not roll off the cab when it drove off.

edit: I should note I bought this day one and this part is very early in the game, so patch and update free.
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I have not played the game much but mostly it seems to be stable on my box with an RTX 2080
 

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I have not played the game much but mostly it seems to be stable on my box with an RTX 2080
I'm playing it on Ultra on my mobile 3060 with no issues. I'm glad I haven't run into any game-breaking bugs yet.
 

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the irony is that he seems to hate most games and actually is getting on me for choosing to wait to play CP2077..
If you want to wait, then wait, a lot of people do that and that's perfectly fine. I'm "getting on you" because since day 1 you have been in every one of the game's topic trying to prove wrong those who opted not to wait. You are especially on those who say they had a decent experience with the game. It all seems like the one you're trying to convince is yourself that you made the right decision to wait and thus miss out on the early buzz.

.he's a contrarian...games that are popular or get good buzz he will say negative things about...games that get criticized he will take the opposite stance
Yes, because only regurgitating the "internet consensus" is acceptable these days. I form my own opinion on games, completely independent to others. Occasionallly disliking a generally well received game is not being a contrarian. But of course people only remember that one case that triggered them. While ignoring the dozens of games where I was in line with the general opinion.

And I've never said Cyberpunk 2077 is the bestest eva. It is a decent experience, and I'd have not gained anything if I waited until now to play it. Arguably I'd have lost some, as it seems CDPR opted to optimize the game's performance in patches by reducing the draw distance, which is a step back for me.

the crazy thing is that I plan on getting CP2077 and have said that from the start...I'm just choosing to wait for it to be in what I deem to be better shape...anyone that played the Witcher Enhanced Editions know all about how much CDPR can add to a game...
If you really wanted to do what you say, you'd not argue with everyone who already played and liked the game for 5 months ongoing.
there are plenty of other things to do in the mean time...
Yeah, like arguing with people about the game, trying to prove everyone wrong who opted to play the game before you.
the obsessive need to play games on Day 1 no matter what is crazy...certain gamers literally cannot under any circumstance wait...it's like a drug
I mean how dare they play the game sooner than you and even enjoy it. When it's clear that only your way is the right way.
 

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It wasn't just about him and you certainly spammed the thread replying to just more than that user. Pot, kettle black still applies.
I didn't know replying and discussing the game with other people who actually have experienced it was wrong. There was some disagreement about what "broken" means in terms of the game but we moved past that. What I called placeholder others called broken. I still uphold that it is not the right dev terminology, but we agree that it's crap the way it is implemented in game.

And even I don't have the stamina to reply to every one of polonyc2's hate posts about the game. I only call his uninformed opinions out when it accidentally gets in my face. I'm sorry, I admit I should not even engage him after all this time since what he does is borderline trolling at this point.
 

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I didn't know replying and discussing the game with other people who actually have experienced it was wrong. There was some disagreement about what "broken" means in terms of the game but we moved past that. What I called placeholder others called broken. I still uphold that it is not the right dev terminology, but we agree that it's crap the way it is implemented in game.

And even I don't have the stamina to reply to every one of polonyc2's hate posts about the game. I only call his uninformed opinions out when it accidentally gets in my face. I'm sorry, I admit I should not even engage him after all this time since what he does is borderline trolling at this point.

Those are some fancy words for white knighting a game, as I have been following the thread since created. And having played the game or not shouldn't make one bit of difference because the game has been put under a microscope ad nauseum with videos, twitch streams, opinions, pics, developer apologies, reviews, developer updates, etc., etc., etc. Well "you never played the game" as an argument against someone in this case is quite frankly being obtuse. A lot of people enjoyed it and a lot of people thought it wasn't finished/polished enough. That is just the way it is.
 

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Not much is going to change. Only major change I see is an overhaul of the craptastic police system because it is one of the worst in video game history. So far it looks like they just decreased spawn frequently and push the spawns to being just barely visible. An improvement from in your face/behind your back, but still very simple. Otherwise I don't see the game changing much. You really can't without remaking large portions of the game or rewriting the story.

I agree, but if they actually address the AI, add defenses agains hacking (counter spells/spell shield/etc), and actually balance the skilltree, it would fix everything that could be fixed without rewriting the game.

Its a shame they seem to be moving towards dropping the MP (and I generally hate multiplayer) because now that I've played the game its a great sandbox for freeform merc play. I'd probably play it as solo as possible.
 

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Been playing this. Finished the main story line and hoping I can do side quests to get different story line endings now.

Honestly I didn't notice any bugs or glitches throughout my playing. My MSI gaming laptop handled the game just fine at what ever settings it recommend.

On a lesser note this is the first game I've tried with both the new ssd(upgraded last month to a 2tb ssd from a 1tb spinning drive) and a logitech cooling stand thing I found at Goodwill. I did notice a pretty good boost in game loading times and it felt smoother (I really need to test with games I played on the spinning drive) and with the cooler the upper left of the keyboard no longer gets uncomfortably hot, worth the $3 I paid.for it.
 

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Those are some fancy words for white knighting a game, as I have been following the thread since created. And having played the game or not shouldn't make one bit of difference because the game has been put under a microscope ad nauseum with videos, twitch streams, opinions, pics, developer apologies, reviews, developer updates, etc., etc., etc. Well "you never played the game" as an argument against someone in this case is quite frankly being obtuse. A lot of people enjoyed it and a lot of people thought it wasn't finished/polished enough. That is just the way it is.

It really isn't, you have pages of this thread with people voicing their first hand experience, and the bugs/glitches posted ad naseum for clicks don't jive with the people who have played first hand.

No one here has said the game is bug free, but everyone that has played it (on PC) here hasn't had an experience that jives with the most broken game ever narrative. Many that have played it also are on record that the TES and Fallout series is more bug riddled than CP2077, which I also agree with, my FO3 and 4 experience was far more problematic than my CP2077 experience.

However, denying the first hand experience of people who have actually played the game with the circus we call media these days is stupid. A video showing something odd/broken sells, a video showing everything working doesn't. Its the same with articles, this entire thing has become a revenue generator for sites, much like Trump was a revenue generator for media.

Polonyc is getting everything they deserve for flooding this thread with the same thing over and over, we get it, we know their position, its time for them to just shut up and wait until the game is in a state they are satisfied enough to play it.
 

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It really isn't, you have pages of this thread with people voicing their first hand experience, and the bugs/glitches posted ad naseum for clicks don't jive with the people who have played first hand.

No one here has said the game is bug free, but everyone that has played it (on PC) here hasn't had an experience that jives with the most broken game ever narrative. Many that have played it also are on record that the TES and Fallout series is more bug riddled than CP2077, which I also agree with, my FO3 and 4 experience was far more problematic than my CP2077 experience.

However, denying the first hand experience of people who have actually played the game with the circus we call media these days is stupid. A video showing something odd/broken sells, a video showing everything working doesn't. Its the same with articles, this entire thing has become a revenue generator for sites, much like Trump was a revenue generator for media.

Polonyc is getting everything they deserve for flooding this thread with the same thing over and over, we get it, we know their position, its time for them to just shut up and wait until the game is in a state they are satisfied enough to play it.

Oh, you again. Yes it really is. And the videos of recorded bugs/glitches don't jive with a handful of others on here, plus the extensive patch notes of fixes? Well that is some sort of warped reality I guess. The discussion isn't about the game play, its about white knighting the game or trashing it then members calling each other out. Pot, kettle black as I see it. We know everyone's position by now so just shut up and get over it in your words. Or not as everyone has a right to an opinion whether YOU like it or not.
 

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Oh, you again. Yes it really is. And the videos of recorded bugs/glitches don't jive with a handful of others on here, plus the extensive patch notes of fixes? Well that is some sort of warped reality I guess. The discussion isn't about the game play, its about white knighting the game or trashing it then members calling each other out. Pot, kettle black as I see it. We know everyone's position by now so just shut up and get over it in your words. Or not as everyone has a right to an opinion whether YOU like it or not.

There is a difference between voicing an opinion and flooding a thread and jumping on everyone who dare post a fine experience with the game.

Please point out where I said the game is bug free, also where I touched you on this doll.

Yes it is me again (and you say I'm the asshole).
 
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I don't think patch notes make any good argument. Every single game released has bugs and patches for them, most of witch dont even detail what was fix and a good number of patches fix one thing and break 5 more. I have had a, so far, bug free experience with this game. I really wish I could say the same about RDR2 where im 40+ hours into it and stuck with a game breaking bug or Marvels Avengers where im 20 or so hours into it and stuck with not only a game breaking bug, but saves that are corrupted after a HDD swap.

Oh, I'll edit in the one problem I've had with Cyberpunk 2077. I rushed through making my character and ended up with one with a face that looks like a cross between a transvestite and a 6month old starving zombie. Ive yet to stumble upon any way in game to change it. Damn them, damn them to hell
 
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There is a difference between voicing an opinion and flooding a thread and jumping on everyone who dare post a fine experience with the game.

Please point out where I said the game is bug free, also where I touched you on this doll.

Yes it is me again (and you say I'm the asshole).

Point out where I said the game was terrible...and my main point is still going right over your head. :rolleyes:

Oh and yes I still think so.
 

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Point out where I said the game was terrible...and my main point is still going right over your head. :rolleyes:

Oh and yes I still think so.
Ok there big guy.

Complains about members calling each other out, calls out members. :ROFLMAO:
 

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And the videos of recorded bugs/glitches don't jive with a handful of others on here, plus the extensive patch notes of fixes? Well that is some sort of warped reality I guess.

Those existed but were patched out very quickly on the PC side. Within 2 weeks (I think I played 4 weeks post release) most of the serious bugs were fixed. I saw animations breaking a bit but never saw someone walk around in a T pose. Think Witcher 3 and Mass Effect, but more frequently. Never saw exceptionally wonky physics.

Things like this for animation bugs:

And to a lesser extent like this:
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I had 2-3 triggers for side quests not activate. Reloading a few quick saves back fixed them. The game thankfully gives 4 or so quick save slots which saved me from being locked out of completing a side quest.

I saw crashed cars stuck in the air in a certain part of the map. Not game breaking but odd. I saw one NPC car explode and drive off once as wreckage, but I've seen similar in many games. In around 50 hours or so of play time I only saw it once. No audio bugs that I can recall. I played prior to the first "patch", but had all of the hotfixes applied if not mistaken. So yes, the game was bad and it shouldn't have been. But it was patched to a playable state fairly quickly.

I agree, but if they actually address the AI, add defenses agains hacking (counter spells/spell shield/etc), and actually balance the skilltree, it would fix everything that could be fixed without rewriting the game.

Its a shame they seem to be moving towards dropping the MP (and I generally hate multiplayer) because now that I've played the game its a great sandbox for freeform merc play. I'd probably play it as solo as possible.

There is some room for improvement for the NPC AI. It isn't good by any stretch but about on par with a typical open world game. But I'd like to see it improved if possible. Cars are a bit easy to spin out of control (see Dan_D's post above) which can be tuned. Small quality of life changes. But I doubt they would make much of a difference to the overall gameplay.
 
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