Cpu Makers scandle???

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mrmodman

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First thing first ive been a amd fan for time to be. The question i have is why do some processors(x2 3800+) overclock better then other with different stepings.

Do cpu makers release some processors that might be x2 4400+ as 3800+ so some people achive higher overclocks and making people buy processors that they herd hit 2.8 but may only get to 2.6?


or do some processors just overclock better then others
 
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=114166 3ghz CPU 1.52v

You mean like this? Because all cpus are made from the same core generation but have different tweeks that make them perform better or worse then the last batch also how the level of quality the silicon was created at is also a factor just like the opterons get crazy OC's or any other like these.

FX
FX-62: OPPAINTER - 3635.9 MHz http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=100443
FX-60: gloatlizard - 3875.44 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=97927
FX-57: before - 4208.1 MHz http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9243/cpu42089kx.jpg
FX-55 (ClawHammer): |RickY|&Pedro Rocha - 4005.23 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=10680
FX-55 (San Diego): -De$troyeR- - 4056.86 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=108727
FX-53: |RickY| & Pedro Rocha - 3602.8 MHz http://resources.vr-zone.com/ocdb/da...tel_or_amd=amd

Opteron

Toledo:
Opteron 180: cupra - 3450.99 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=76888
Opteron 175: ixtapalapaquetl - 3420.73 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=80573
Opteron 170: Absolute_0 - 3473.7 Mhz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=74927
Opteron 165: Brian Mychajluk (TheLawnRanger) - 3460 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=112439

Dual Core (X2)

Manchester:

X2 4600+: Onepagebook - 3687.15 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=78999
X2 4200+: sson74 - 3613.06 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=83165
X2 3800+: OC-Team.BE - 3700.86 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=102531

Toledo:
X2 4800+: BB Mods's - 3607.99 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=89669
X2 4400+: Fosco - 3408.27 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=62072
X2 3800+: isulk - 3350.3MH http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=106101

Windsor:
X2 4600+: JuanFlatier - 3000.1 MHz http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=100742
X2 4200+: Cole Riemer - 2915.17 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=107317
X2 4000+: DrJay - 3137Mhz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=112440
X2 3800+: anaboliss - 3102,92MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=106039
X2 3000+: Amiteriver - 3022.6 MHz http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d=11543992 89

Sempron

Sempron64 3400+ (Manila): Ozzimark - 3119.6mhz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=97360
Sempron64 3400+ (Palermo): fr@me - 2928.25 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=66864
Sempron64 3300+ (Palermo): AndreyKV & Nickolas - 3070 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=84032
Sempron64 3200+: AeGis - 3065.32 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=78404
Sempron64 3100+ (Palermo): dsl & Spd - 3195.79 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=100426
Sempron64 3000+ (Manilla): QSS - 2669.33 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=106505
Sempron64 3000+ (Palermo) S939: pr1nce - 3208.18 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=75376
Sempron64 3000+ (Winchester): TiN_EOF - 3031.20 Mhz http://www.topmods.net/tin/3031.png
Sempron64 3000+ (Palermo): dsl & Spd - 3316.08 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=110827
Sempron64 2800+ (Manilla): QSS - 2747.59 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=107555
Sempron64 2800+ (Palermo): fr@me & Xupyp1 - 3311.93 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=93955
Sempron64 2600+ (Palermo): pawell262 - 3220.99 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=67685
Sempron64 2500+ (Palermo): JunQiang - 3003.86 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=75385
Sempron 3100+ (Paris): fr@me & Xupyp1 - 2731.31 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=85371
Sempron 2800+ (Palermo): turez - 2498.25 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=38643
Sempron Mobile 3000+ : hs - 2972.41 Mhz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=69610

Single Core Athlon64

Clawhammer:
4000+: gubben - 3614.77 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=25221
3700+: twillius_basic - 3331.38 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=16530
3500+: ojdr2001 & Silence - 3521.6 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=49904
3400+: eshbach & Evil Spork - 3320.71 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=12416
3200+: dsl & Spd - 2854.15 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=100425
3000+: fr@me - 3156 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=65931
2800+: setyotomo & ilyas - 3204.14 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=18206

Manchester:
3500+: Willis - 3205.02 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=79721
3200+: hey & tosunermc - 3405.83 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=103390

Newcastle:
3800+: Shamino - 3201MHz http://www.vr-zone.com/ocdb/data.php...tel_or_amd=amd
3500+: |RickY| - 3604.0 MHz http://www.teampuss.com/forums/files/3500caa2c_234.jpg
3400+: Jrocket - 3359.59 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=18225
3200+: .::Maddog::. & mosin_nagant - 3024MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=22563
3000+: Ssilencer - 3276.60 MHz http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4638/32765gm.gif

Newark:
4000+: metalman2785 - 3394.26 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=100828

Oakville:
3000+: firefly - 2700.13MHz - http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=65488

Orleans:
3500+: Kiner - 3150.11 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=93986
3000+: andre X-X - 3215.07 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=110890

San Diego:
4000+: El Snorro - 3750.83 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=76885
3700+: Misteroadster - 3704.71 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=38280
3500+:

Venice:
3800+: PC Ice - 3878.05 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=10699
3500+: cpulloverclock - 3571.42 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=46575
3400+: damarble - 2850.66 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=67088
3200+: s7e9h3n - 3723.6MHz - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=12
3000+: cpulloverclock - 3644.18 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=41857
3000+ (754): [ZIZI]@XS - 3207.22 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=83602

Winchester:
3000+: easypanic - 3412.61 MHz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=15933
3200+: NewBeetle - 3463 MHz http://cal930.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/c...le/3463MHz.gif
3500+: Boogotop - 3271,70 MHz http://www.vr-zone.com/ocdb/data.php...tel_or_amd=amd

Its all a matter of chance.
 
scandal? gimme a break. If i was a cpu maker, why would i purposely try to get people to buy lower rated processors to attempt to overclock. Doubtless, the best profit margins are at the top of the spectrum, and that's where i want my best sillicon to go.

Does anyone know if the stepping code prevents higher rating chips from being set and rated lower to keep yields?
 
As far as I know the chips are rated based on demand. I'm sure AMD and Intel would love to have wafer after wafer turn out to be their best chips possible! But then they couldn't supply the lower end which probably accounts for most of their sales anyhow. It's all based on supply and demand as far as I know.
 
man, I wish I understood how the whole memory ratio, overclock thing worked.

I request a few more details about those oc's though, like why the voltage was left out of most of the cpu-z posts and what kind of cooling they were using.
 
Chipmakers speedbin chips based on demand. Say AMD needs 2000 4200+ chips. They have a pile of X2 chips that they will test for stability at 2.0ghz and only 2.0ghz. If it is stable at that speed, it is labled a 4200+. Since they only test the chips up to 2.0ghz, they don't know which ones can go faster (and neither do we). OC'ing is a crapshoot, not a scandal. :rolleyes:
 
I was under the impression they tested not clock, but instead worst case power consumption, then binned them according to power consumption at a specified speed.....

Demand only comes in when they have a shortage of one bin, so they are forced to "down bin" a higher model to compensate for demand. But I hear those situations are few and far between becouse AMD does not make ANY chips without a specific order in mind. Using APM allows them to hit pretty much any bin they need.
 
if timmy buys a opty 144 and it OCs to 3.0 ghz he is lucky. If you hear about it and go buy one because of his results well thats your choice. If yours only goes to 2.6, its not a bait and switch. You paid for 1.8 and you get 1.8 regardless. If he is one of the few testers out there that get a 'cherry picked' core well then you know right there yours coming from newegg or frys is not gonna do that.
 
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