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They did a pretty decent job on season 1 I think. Was enjoyable and characters played their role well. I think some of it is meant to be cheesy by design. But like everything I expect it to get nothing but hate by many though lol.
 

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Hasn't seen it but still calls it awful. Riiiiiiight....
I saw the casting, I saw the trailers, and I read reviews... some of which are apparently now arguing that the live action was supposed to be schlocky in the first place rather than actually good.

Damn near every role looked badly miscast except for possibly Ein and Judy.
 
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I saw the casting, I saw the trailers, and I read reviews...
Well you're not wrong. It is pretty bad, but you should at least watch the first episode before calling it "awful".

In any case, I had fun with it. But I like cheezy/campy movies, so I'm okay with that.
 

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I saw the casting, I saw the trailers, and I read reviews... some of which are apparently now arguing that the live action was supposed to be schlocky in the first place rather than actually good.

Yes, more subverting expectations - "we intentionally made it bad".

Riiiiighhttt. I wish I could say I was surprised/dissapointed. Unfortunately Hollywood/media companies are continuing to live up to their reputation for not being able to create anything new and interesting but just shitting on and destroying existing well-loved properties. On the flip side I'm saving a ton of money not subscribing to or buying any of their crap! Thanks to Youtube and other alternate media there is a TON of content out there from creators who do care more about telling a good story than pushing their pet ideology at all costs. Nothing warms the cockles of my heart more than seeing woke Disney scrambling to prop up flagging Disney+ subscription growth by any and all means necessary. Ha!
 

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Things like making Faye a lesbian are to score diversity points without thoughts of what the impact such a change has on the character's overall story or how that could impact her relationships with other characters. However, what's worse is that they cut out her back story of being a con artist, which basically negates her very complex story arc and growth as a character. When you do that, you do a disservice to the source material.
For groups that shriek about wanting strong women represented, when given the chance they seem to go out of their way to do the exact opposite.

I don't think it's always out of malice but more sheer incompetence. They were too stupid (and apathetic) to realize that by making her a lesbian it totally neuters the core of her character. Fae of the anime was a sophisticated, smart and deadly opponent. She was perfectly self sufficient, and her sexuality was a weapon she used to great effect. In this piece of crap she's just a diversity checkmark with zero personality. They did this same crap with Princess Lea in Star Wars - and defended it by claiming anyone criticizing them for their BS was toxic, racists, and whatever ist/phobe word salad goes for rightthink. So stunning. So brave.

Sadly all of this is unsurprising and won't change until people stop consuming, and more importantly, paying for this schlock. The vast majority of hack writers being employed by entertainment companies are prioritized for their ability to proselytize over telling a good story. Telling a good story is HARD; it's far easier to throw in the appropriately politically motivated cliches and claim success. When enough people stop making excuses for them, and more importantly stop buying/watching this crap, maybe we can once again have nice things. Not holding my breath - thankfully there is enough stuff before the mid 2000's on that is quality that I haven't gotten through yet, and plenty of good stuff like the original Beebop (which I have on DVD and BluRay - never know when they will "update" something that's streamed) that I can rewatch.
 

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Not gonna lie, seeing people post in this thread is the #1 reason why I'm not ever gonna go into GenMay.


Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.

Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.
 

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Not gonna lie, seeing people post in this thread is the #1 reason why I'm not ever gonna go into GenMay.


Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.

Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.
Here we go again. Some people just don't like adaptations.
 

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Not gonna lie, seeing people post in this thread is the #1 reason why I'm not ever gonna go into GenMay.


Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.

Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.

I love how the left thinks that everyone has to appreciate the same things (or stay silent) or its shameful and embarrassing, and ultimately evil. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this attitude.

The show is pretty cringe and I haven't even gotten to Faye yet, only just finished episode two. The tone I thought they nailed is only Jet, Spike is completely off, Vicious is worlds apart from his original, Julia is already going off the rails.

The dialogue is just atrocious at points, the kind of dialogue you'd see in the margins of a draft script, yet once and a while it hits its stride and is good.

The point of cowboy beebop isn't objective its subjective, but generally speaking its a mash up of Film Noir, Jazz, Ying/Yang, and Zen. When the characters are at their best they are literally moving with the flow in a state of Zen, which gets interrupted by various foils (including Faye, she is a Foil to the Beebop for much of the show) eventually resulting in the ultimate interruption of Zen when Ying and Yang confront each other resulting in Spike's demise.
 

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Faye's story arc and back story are basically gutted and greatly simplified. I'm at Episode 7 or something like that and Ed hasn't appeared yet, only referenced in dialog.

I would be very surprised if this got additional seasons. The problem is that the live action show omits things and it changes certain things for worse. Largely due to budgetary and run time reasons I suspect. Things like making Faye a lesbian are to score diversity points without thoughts of what the impact such a change has on the character's overall story or how that could impact her relationships with other characters. However, what's worse is that they cut out her back story of being a con artist, which basically negates her very complex story arc and growth as a character. When you do that, you do a disservice to the source material.

Some changes for the live action format are expected and even necessary. However, gutting your characters histories and story arcs aren't changes that are typically well received. The campy nature of this version of it is pure cringe. I'm physically uncomfortable watching the cheesier dialog and scenes in the show.


Faye's backstory being "good?" The "Mistaken Identity revival - but you still pay the bills " was already an old -and-busted lazy trope by the time Bebop decided to phone it in.

Really, Faye was made incredibly vulnerable through this simple backstory, so she could be broken down quite quickly into Spike's Involuntary Harem member #308... I think if you want to make it a more balanced crew that doesn't get old quick, you need to take the Unrequited Love out of the picture.

I think that was where they were aiming for with the Faye shakeup - she's the missing piece to making later seasons of Bebob more palatable!
 
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Faye's backstory being "good?" The "Mistaken Identity revival - but you still pay the bills " was already an old -and-busted lazy trope by the time Bebop decided to phone it in.

Really, Faye was made incredibly vulnerable through this simple backstory, so she could be broken down quite quickly into Spike's Involuntary Harem member #308... I think if you want to make it a more balanced crew that doesn't get old quick, you need to take the Unrequited Love out of the picture.

I think that was where they were aiming for with the Faye shakeup - she's the missing piece to making later seasons of Bebob more palatable!

Everyone in the anime was made up of well worn tropes, but they were tropes that were well written and well voice acted. It also helps that Bebop was designed as a short series. Get in, tell the stories that need to be told, end and move on. Netflix wanting this to be a big, multi-season, affair means they have to make major changes in an attempt to flesh out the characters. However, doing that also risks making the characters not feel like they should. Even from the first episode, Faye just doesn’t seem to work.
 

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Reading the absolutely pathetic responses in this thread makes me embarrassed to even be here.

Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime. One that most people here seem to have completely missed the damn point of it's original airing anyway.

Then make their own stories instead of stealing old ones, re-writing them to suit their needs and complaining when people don't like their re-imagining.
 

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Faye's backstory being "good?" The "Mistaken Identity revival - but you still pay the bills " was already an old -and-busted lazy trope by the time Bebop decided to phone it in.

Really, Faye was made incredibly vulnerable through this simple backstory, so she could be broken down quite quickly into Spike's Involuntary Harem member #308... I think if you want to make it a more balanced crew that doesn't get old quick, you need to take the Unrequited Love out of the picture.
I see it very differently. That being said, the whole "unrequited love bit" is debatable at best. That could certainly be taken out as its arguable that it was ever there to begin with. Her back story is as a con artist, which isn't evident at all until episode 7. The character is rather different and I don't think she works at all in this show due to those differences. Mainly, her dynamic with Spike is too friendly and familiar too quickly. It isn't earned.
I think that was where they were aiming for with the Faye shakeup - she's the missing piece to making later seasons of Bebob more palatable!
There aren't going to be later seasons. This show won't make it past season 2 if it even gets that far.
Everyone in the anime was made up of well worn tropes, but they were tropes that were well written and well voice acted. It also helps that Bebop was designed as a short series. Get in, tell the stories that need to be told, end and move on. Netflix wanting this to be a big, multi-season, affair means they have to make major changes in an attempt to flesh out the characters. However, doing that also risks making the characters not feel like they should. Even from the first episode, Faye just doesn’t seem to work.
Show me a single anime that doesn't rely on tropes. It's one of the reasons why I hate anime in general. They all do the same things over and over again. Rarely do they do anything interesting with any of it. Cowboy Bebop definitely relies on many of those same tropes but it's the characters, writing, and style that take it a notch above garden variety anime. You can even see it in a few moments between Spike and Jet here and there in this show. There are some light hearted moments and comedic elements that do work in the show for a few scenes. I just don't think the show works overall.

Faye, doesn't work as far as I'm concerned as she's generally uninteresting and less complex than her anime counterpart. But more importantly, her adversarial dynamic with Spike isn't there. In episode 5 or 6 they are talking about skin care and taking baths or some such shit. They started out with the adversarial bits and swept them away in two episodes or so.
 

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Then make their own stories instead of stealing old ones, re-writing them to suit their needs and complaining when people don't like their re-imagining.
exactly. i saw a comment somewhere along the lines of "they take a ip, gut it, destroy it and wear it like a skinsuit and then scream -ist/phobe when questioned/criticized"
 

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exactly. i saw a comment somewhere along the lines of "they take a ip, gut it, destroy it and wear it like a skinsuit and then scream -ist/phobe when questioned/criticized"
It's a terrible argument. They can't acknowledge the fact that there are other reasons to hate changes to a beloved IP or franchise other than you are an incel/ist/phobe or whatever. They can't accept that people hate these changes and the fact that a lot of this stuff is horribly written, badly acted, incompetently shot or that there can be legitimate reasons to criticize the remakes or sequels compared to the original works. Something people used to do for every song cover, film sequel and reboot for the last 100+ years without ever needing the crutch of ist/phobe/whatever.

When people criticized the Last Jedi for being a piece of shit and hating Rian Johnson for what he did to Luke Skywalker, the SJW's whined that the only reason you could criticize such a masterpiece of film was because you are sexist. They hid behind that as they had no real argument against the very valid criticisms of why the movie was bad, so they reacted with emotion and called people names rather than acknowledge the movie's failings. Obviously, hating that movie had nothing to do with the vandalization of an iconic character many of us grew up with or the fact that the film makes no sense logically, is shot poorly has bad pacing and awful characters that are written by inexperienced and untalented writers.

These untalented and lazy writers have to taint the works of generations of writers and instead of gracefully standing on the shoulders of their forerunners and doing the work it takes to build off the originals, they tear down the work of their predecessors to bolster their own crap. This iteration of Cowboy Bebop isn't as bad as The Last Jedi or anything but it's a dollar store version of an anime that is loved by many. To be frank, I think Cowboy Bebop, like Akira are grossly overrated. I think people oversell just how good the original was and put it on a pedestal and to heights it doesn't deserve. Still, I think the original is a good show. This Netflix version is a soulless, pale imitation of the original built on a CW budget by writers who lack the skill or experience to understand what made the original show work.

Not everyone is Cis, get out of your own tiny little bubble and realize the world is a bit bigger and more varied than your rose tinted memories of a 20 year old anime.
Faye being a lesbian in the show is the least of its problems. I can only assume this is what you are referring to as that's the only reason you could even bring up not being "Cis". Being "Cis" as you put it isn't the reason why people don't like this adaptation of the IP. This type of statement is the internet equivalent of plugging your ears and saying: "la la la I can't hear you" rather than listening to what's being said. That's not a rebuttal, argument, debate or articulating a point of view. It's playing the victim card without there being one. The show is bad. It's pure cringe almost all the time. It's cheaply made, poorly acted, badly written, and lacks the charm of the original show. It skips over character development, greatly simplifies or eliminates story lines and takes liberties with the source material that did not pay off or work well.

If they wanted this show to last several seasons, maybe don't omit and skip a ton of material to get further along in the original story in less than half the time.
 

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In any case, I had fun with it. But I like cheezy/campy movies, so I'm okay with that.

There is a lot to like. I'm happy with the principal actors. It's obvious they get the characters, even if the writers don't. And the visual aesthetic / look is better than I expected from an anime that's so visually distinctive.

My three lingering complaints with Netflix Bebop-
  • Viscous and Julia suck out loud. Show comes to a screeching halt for me any time they're on-screen. (and I skip through the scenes on re-watches) The actors aren't really good and the writing is embarassing. They should jettison this immediately in season 2 if there is one.
  • The serialized format. Wanted more stand-alone episodes than we got. And fewer re-treads of the 98' stories.
  • The fight/action choreography is not-ready-for-prime-time. I don't know if they need to slow down the cameras, fewer wide shots, or just knacker it up with 70s era sound FX.
None are fatal flaws. (it was worth enduring just to listen to new Yoko Kanno again) I had a similar reaction to ScarJo's GiTS. Happy with the look and production value, potential to be so much better.
 

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I really like this show after the first episode. The first episode made me feel like the show was going to be a dud but quality improved.

I agree that Vicious and Julia are the weakest parts of the show.

I think Faye is actually cast really well considering how much everyone cries about her. I think she portrays Faye really well IMO. Spike is also really good imo and Jet is spot on.

I found it to be enjoyable and IMO pays enough homage to the source material. I give it a 6.5/10
 

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What actors do you think would have been a better fit for vicious?
I don't think it's entirely the actor's fault. For one thing, I'm not a casting director so I couldn't tell you. However, the line delivery, the dialog itself, and almost everything about his scenes are awful. It's the same with Julia.
 

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I don't think it's entirely the actor's fault. For one thing, I'm not a casting director so I couldn't tell you. However, the line delivery, the dialog itself, and almost everything about his scenes are awful. It's the same with Julia.
Honestly I feel that way about most of the cast, its just Julia and Vicious that are the worst. I don't think the cast is bad, but the writing is.
 

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I don't think it's entirely the actor's fault. For one thing, I'm not a casting director so I couldn't tell you. However, the line delivery, the dialog itself, and almost everything about his scenes are awful. It's the same with Julia.

I agree, I think if he just spoke more naturally with better dialogue it'd be better. It almost reminds me of when you were a little kid playing with friends and one of you was trying to be the bad guy/villain.
 
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I agree, I think if he just spoke more naturally with better dialogue it'd be better. It almost reminds me of when you were a little kid playing with friends and one of you was trying to be the bad guy/villain.
It's almost as if the director tells the actor to ham it up with his best stereotypical 1990's bad guy impression. He sounds like he's trying to copy Eric Roberts as the Master in the 1990's Doctor Who movie or Terry Silver in Karate Kid III.
 

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What actors do you think would have been a better fit for vicious?
Start with someone in their 20s, not some middle aged dude. Timothée Chalamet, Tom Holland, Lucas Hedges, etc... those are just some very top actors I've seen, but there are probably tons of lesser-known ones
 

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Start with someone in their 20s, not some middle aged dude. Timothée Chalamet, Tom Holland, Lucas Hedges, etc... those are just some very top actors I've seen, but there are probably tons of lesser-known ones
Well, casting an older actor to play Vicious makes sense in light of the fact that Spike is being played by an older actor. Now, I would argue that they should have cast someone in their early 30's at the oldest. In that regard, it's a fair criticism.
 
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LOL at the people complaining that the Netflix version is "woke." The 90's version was more "woke" then this one. Here is a good honest review and I mostly agree with it.

 

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LOL at the people complaining that the Netflix version is "woke." The 90's version was more "woke" then this one. Here is a good honest review and I mostly agree with it.


I will say that. I stopped at Episode 7 and haven't been able to bring myself to finish the season. However, so far there really isn't any wokeness or any of the "2021 politics" that we were warned about in it. If there are, they are actually subtle with it. The only thing remotely woke about this was making Faye into a lesbian just to have that alphabet people checkbox ticked. That's it. They certainly didn't do that to serve the story or do something interesting with the character.
 

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LOL at the people complaining that the Netflix version is "woke." The 90's version was more "woke" then this one. Here is a good honest review and I mostly agree with it.


disagree. Woke is adding it in to just add it in. 90's version was all part of the story. People don't get the majority of us dont give a crap about the content as long as it makes sense in the story. Not just tossed in for a checkbox as much crap is these days. I am a massive Star Trek fan, but i think discovery is woke trash as well. So much unnecessary woke crap thrown in, whereas if it was just part of the story, as every ST b4 them, it would have been just fine.
 

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disagree. Woke is adding it in to just add it in. 90's version was all part of the story. People don't get the majority of us dont give a crap about the content as long as it makes sense in the story. Not just tossed in for a checkbox as much crap is these days. I am a massive Star Trek fan, but i think discovery is woke trash as well. So much unnecessary woke crap thrown in, whereas if it was just part of the story, as every ST b4 them, it would have been just fine.
This is a necessary distinction. When it is natural to the story, you can be as inclusive as you want and most people won't care. When you start changing characters that are well established or forcing them into the story for the sake of checking boxes, that's when it goes off the rails.
 

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I've been watching this...I never had any particular attachment to the original, I think I only watched a couple of episodes. Enjoying it enough to keep watching.
 

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9 pages in spoiler warning. Just my take
The actor that played Jet carried the whole show. He was awesome IMO you can tell he is a fan of the source material. As far as the rest. I didn't expect a frame by frame line by line arch by arch copy. That being said. I felt nothing when they revealed Faye's video to her, compared to the build up and seeing it in the anime there is a massive emotional difference between the two. Julia and Vicious felt changed to make him an adult man child with no emotional control, and her to be a criminal mastermind betraying basically both love interests and for what pay out? The whole series is supposed to convey nothing for anyone truly worked out in the end. Spike dies, Faye comes to terms with her only real love interest rejected her and dies, Jet loses everything except the Bebop, Ein and Ed wander off on their own, Ed basically being left twice by her dad. Vicious dies, Julia dies, and Spike dies. The live action feels hollow, like puppet theater. Even the actor that played Spike came out saying it's a shitty fanfic. I went in really wanting to like it. Watched the whole thing in one day. It left me empty and unamused. Compared to the original that still sees play time with me.
 

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It's almost as if the director tells the actor to ham it up with his best stereotypical 1990's bad guy impression. He sounds like he's trying to copy Eric Roberts as the Master in the 1990's Doctor Who movie or Terry Silver in Karate Kid III.
What? There was a 90's Dr. Who movie with Eric Roberts. OMG!
 

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What? There was a 90's Dr. Who movie with Eric Roberts. OMG!
Yes there is. It's been sort of canonized just prior to the 50th anniversary episode of Doctor Who. The 8th Doctor reappears in the "Night of the Doctor". To be fair, Paul McGann was fantastic in the role. Unfortunately, the cheesy budget and some things they did really didn't go over well with either British or American audiences. Some elements of the film such as the Doctor being half human have largely been ignored. However, you do see the 7th Doctor die in the movie and his regeneration into the 8th. In the web episode: "Night of the Doctor", you see the 8th regenerate into the War Doctor for the 50th anniversary special.

It's not the best film for a lot of reasons, but its actually one of the earliest things I've seen of the franchise. I have a bit of a soft spot for the movie and like it despite it being almost objectively bad at times. It is VERY typical of made for TV movies of the era. Right down to Eric Roberts hamming it up as the bad guy. Sometimes to great comedic effect. However, there is a certain charm to his version of the Master as you get the impression that the actor is really enjoying the part.
 

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This is a necessary distinction. When it is natural to the story, you can be as inclusive as you want and most people won't care. When you start changing characters that are well established or forcing them into the story for the sake of checking boxes, that's when it goes off the rails.
For example--or so I've heard--the new Netflix [Edit: no, it's Amazon. Thanks, Derangel] adaptation of Wheel of Time has Moiraine telling all the characters from Two Rivers that she's taking them because any one of them could be the Dragon Reborn. The problem is, that can't actually be true. A key point in that series is that magic is split up into two sides: one male, one female, and they are different. The male side was tainted by actions taken by said Dragon (who was actually a person), such that any man using it will eventually be driven insane, so for thousands of years, any male displaying a hint of the ability to use magic is killed. Women can't access the male side of magic in the books. (IIRC in the book, the two women were brought along for the ride because they did have access to women's magic, and Moiraine wanted to take them to the White Tower, where women are trained in the use of said magic.)
 
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there is a certain charm to his version of the Master as you get the impression that the actor is really enjoying the part.
One assumes scenery chewing almost has to be fun for the person doing it.

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For example--or so I've heard--the new Netflix adaptation of Wheel of Time has Moiraine telling all the characters from Two Rivers that she's taking them because any one of them could be the Dragon Reborn. The problem is, that can't actually be true. A key point in that series is that magic is split up into two sides: one male, one female, and they are different. The male side was tainted by actions taken by said Dragon (who was actually a person), such that any man using it will eventually be driven insane, so for thousands of years, any male displaying a hint of the ability to use magic is killed. Women can't access the male side of magic in the books. (IIRC in the book, the two women were brought along for the ride because they did have access to women's magic, and Moiraine wanted to take them to the White Tower, where women are trained in the use of said magic.)

Amazon is to blame for Wheel of Time. I will say, I don’t mind them changing things a bit to keep the mystery of the Dragon a bit longer. Basically, the change is simply that people can be reborn as either men or women, so if the Dragon had been Reborn as a woman she’d use the female side of the power. It’s not likely that they’ll change who the Dragon is, but they want to keep up the mystery versus the book all but revealing it before the characters even get out of the Two Rivers.
 

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The wheel of time also has a way to be different from the source material built into the source material. The Amazon show is a different turn of the wheel, any and all changes are canonically possible. That's literally one of the largest plot points of the entire mythos.

Adaptations don't destroy the original, if you like the original better, fine, go watch/read that. But complaining that an adaptation isn't close enough to the original is asinine.
 

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The wheel of time also has a way to be different from the source material built into the source material. The Amazon show is a different turn of the wheel, any and all changes are canonically possible. That's literally one of the largest plot points of the entire mythos.

Adaptations don't destroy the original, if you like the original better, fine, go watch/read that. But complaining that an adaptation isn't close enough to the original is asinine.
Another turn of the wheel wouldn’t have the same characters. If they would have went with new characters and plot I would have been on board!!! As it is it is someone that thinks they can tell a story better than the author….
 

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Another turn of the wheel wouldn’t have the same characters. If they would have went with new characters and plot I would have been on board!!! As it is it is someone that thinks they can tell a story better than the author….

Of course it would have the same characters. That's literally the fucking point.

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INTERVIEW: Oct 5th, 2005​

Robert Jordan's Blog: YET ANOTHER, IT SEEMS

ROBERT JORDAN​

For ricktheinevitable, I have no plans to send Rand to Shara at present.
Oh, yes. I think of time in this world as fixed circular, but with a drifting variation. There are slight differences in the Pattern each time through so that if you thought of the Pattern as a tapestry and held up two successive weaves, you couldn't see any differences from a distance, only close up, but the more time turnings between tapestries, the more changes are apparent. But the basic Pattern always remains the same.

INTERVIEW: Nov 30th, 2000​

WH Signing Report - Matt Peck (Paraphrased)

MATT PECK​

I asked that as the Wheel turned, each time an Age rolls around, is the Pattern exactly the same each time, or does it change?

ROBERT JORDAN​

He seemed to like this question. He likened it to a tapestry. When seen from a distance, each Third Age (to make it easy to track) has exactly the same pattern as the previous Third Age. However, when seen up close, there are differences. Threads are different, different nations exist, geography is different, different personalities rise to prominence. These changes, while minute in the grand scale of the Pattern, affect the Pattern enough so that while two iterations of an Age are almost the same, the first "Third Age" may be wildy different from the hundredth "Third Age".
 

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Amazon is to blame for Wheel of Time. I will say, I don’t mind them changing things a bit to keep the mystery of the Dragon a bit longer. Basically, the change is simply that people can be reborn as either men or women, so if the Dragon had been Reborn as a woman she’d use the female side of the power.
Doesn't matter what their excuse is, it doesn't make any sense. The female side of magic isn't dangerous. The Dragon Reborn as a woman is just another woman with magic. The whole threat of the Dragon Reborn is that he'd inevitably be driven insane by the taint on the male side of magic and destroy the world. As I said, the books already provided sufficient reasons to take the female characters: women with the power to channel magic aren't allowed to be left untrained.
 
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