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Copyright Education Needed in Every School
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Modred189
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This.
Also, I'm not sure Sunday School was implemented to stop sinning... but that's a different discussion altogether...
As for GoT can I just easily add cable services + HBO and be watching GoT the same day, then just as easily cancel it when the season is over? Or must I go through making several phone calls, waiting days etc...
Personally, I'd have no problem paying extra for a few months if it was easy as the click of a button. And I am sure many others feel the same.
Personally, I'd have no problem paying extra for a few months if it was easy as the click of a button. And I am sure many others feel the same.
Modred189
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At least for ATT Uverse it is. I can change my plan online any time.
Do you already have a cable set top box? Most people who dont subscribe to cable TV at all do not have a box, so to signup, I'd require a box, then I'd have to return the box.
My point isn't about whether its right or wrong or any of that. But its the truth, no one is going to change their behavior until it is easier. It has very little to do with how cheap things are. Just look at cell phones and other tech that costs hundreds of dollars yet they make life easier. People will always gravitate towards what is easiest.
Stupid pick for an example because to get GOT it is indeed expensive, but also a hassle to get to. If you don't have cable, you have to get cable which means you have to wait for an installation tech, get your account up and then you can get access to it. Then you're paying for a crap ton of other stuff you'd otherwise not be. That is an issue of both cost and ease. You could wait for it to come to a physical format sure, but to my knowledge that's months after the season even ends. Even once you get it, you have to sit through all those lovely DRM features just to get to something you've clearly already paid for.
Modred189
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What DRM features are you sitting through?
Insert disc, hit play, watch show.
So, more entitlement then. You want their product, NOW, cheaply, in a format YOU want, without DRM restrictions, and without ANY tie-ins? Besides, how many people want to watch Game of Thrones but don't have cable? Not many i think. Every time I've signed up for cable, the tech has been out within 2-3 days, and the product is up and running.
So what say does the content produce DO get in how he delivers HIS product to you the consumer before you start taking without paying? How much of a chance does he get to maximize the return on his investment before you start stealing (yes, I know it's not theft)? At what point do you, instead of mooching, simply NOT watch the product? Or, instead, just pay up?
We need to get back to a place where people realize that if you can't afford something, YOU DON"T GET IT. You don't have a right to what you don't known and can't pay for. Where people took pride in their own work enough to respect other people's work sufficiently to WANT to compensate them for it; not bitch and moan about their desire to control their own property, and take it, rather than pay for it.
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And let's not forget HBO Go: Once you're in their ecosystem, they make it very easy for you to consume their product.
And let's not forget HBO Go: Once you're in their ecosystem, they make it very easy for you to consume their product.
You can lecture people on how its not right or whatever until your blue in the face. But unfortunately, right now, its easy as shit to download just about anything. Paying for those same things is almost always more of a hassle. Even if people know its not right or feel guilt, they're still going to do it because the ease will win out over their guilt. Very few people are going to bend over backwards to pay for something legitimately that they can easily obtain for free.
No offense I understand some kids have a shitty up bringing but teaching a kid how to cook, clean, sew, and do laundry is not the job of public education. That should fall solely on the parents. Schools are not an excuse for parents to avoid raising and preparing their children for the real world.
we cant seem to teach our kids adequate reading, writing, math, science, health, critical thinking... but yea, lets take more time away from those nonsense subjects so that our children might understand that replicating a string of computer code will get you as much jail time as murder or rape.
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Yeah but then they can learn value jobs in jail and get paid below minimum wage while the private prison they go to contractor who's hiring them to do labor charges the government full competitive price to their non prison labor competitors because that's how the laws surrounding prison labor are set up. Can't force them to pay the inmates well but can force them to fuck us in the ass on price because it's a government bid!
Aren't they? I mean it's basically babysitting to some kids. Anyways i only mention home ec because it's the only class that i've seen in a high school that teaches kids properly what bank accounts and credit cards are, not everyone is going to college. Emphasis on realistic goals like possible trade school and working directly out from high school seems worth while, this includes teaching them how to take care of themselves.
Well there's the encrypted blu ray disk for one. But that only really gets in the way of those who want to stream their owned media to their other device or what ever they want to do with it(which to my knowledge the courts have said IS ok). I can't say for sure about game of thrones because in my case, I actually do have access to it via HBO Go but its insanely rare that I pop in a disk that doesn't have splash screen after splash screen of copyright and FBI messages. Lets not forget about the ads. All these, they make a pain in the ass to skip. So rarely is it I just put the disk in and hit play.
How many people want to watch GOT but don't have cable? Considering the fan base GOT has and the ever growing amount of cord cutters, I'd say you're wrong on that assumption as well. But please, do provide some figures if you feel so strongly about it, it doesn't change much of reality.
But anyway, yea, you sign up for cable and in 2-3 days you have access. Well that's not very convenient. What is? doing and downloading it in less than an hour and watching it. Is this entitlement? Yea sure, but that doesn't mean one is unwilling to give the content creator compensation for their work. It just means they don't want to have to jump through hoops to get it.
In this case the content producers are really at the mercy of the audience they want to appeal to. So what say do they have? As much say as the desired audience gives them. We are in an age of instant gratification and access to media. You can either adapt and cater to this, or hold out and ultimately fail.
Face it. It's both a cost and convenience factor.
How many people want to watch GOT but don't have cable? Considering the fan base GOT has and the ever growing amount of cord cutters, I'd say you're wrong on that assumption as well. But please, do provide some figures if you feel so strongly about it, it doesn't change much of reality.
But anyway, yea, you sign up for cable and in 2-3 days you have access. Well that's not very convenient. What is? doing and downloading it in less than an hour and watching it. Is this entitlement? Yea sure, but that doesn't mean one is unwilling to give the content creator compensation for their work. It just means they don't want to have to jump through hoops to get it.
In this case the content producers are really at the mercy of the audience they want to appeal to. So what say do they have? As much say as the desired audience gives them. We are in an age of instant gratification and access to media. You can either adapt and cater to this, or hold out and ultimately fail.
Face it. It's both a cost and convenience factor.
you are the one who doesnt seem to, even though you claim to be smarter than everyone else in your profile tag....
there is a functional difference between stealing a sheep from a farm down the road (in which case, the farmer is out 1 sheep, plus all the effort and expense associated with raising it), and replicating a string of code between two computers (in which case, yes the creator of that code does not get compensated for time spent creating it, but he isnt "out" anything otherwise).
I am not suggesting that creators of digital content do not have a right to demand compensation for what they create. But, it is a massive and disingenuous omission on your part (and that of the copy lobby), however, to say that stealing a car is the exact same functional thing as "stealing" an mp3. Its not, and your failure to recognize the difference is unfortunate.
lol this shows that you are not being honest with your argument. If I put in a DVD that I purchase from walmart and hit play, I get to watch:
-a 30-second FBI warning about copyright [FF disabled]
-five 10-second film production house credit/plugs/ads
-34 advertisements for upcoming movies
-another FBI warning about public display saying that I could be thrown in prison [FF disabled]
-a "brought to you by" advertisement
-a pre-menu ad for the very movie you are about to watch [maybe FF Disabled]
-the DVD menu
-the DVD menu leadout
-three more movie house credits
-and finally, the actual movie i wanted to see, 20 minutes later [unless you try to FF]
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It's complicated:
It's legal under regular (c) law. That's why you can rip CDs legally.
It is NOT legal under the DMCA. Not because it's copyright infringement, but because it requires the circumvention of digital encryption/DRM. Remember, you can violate the DMCA without violating (c), and vice versa.
https://torrentfreak.com/companies-withdraw-blu-ray-rippers-following-dvdfab-lawsuit-140314/
ABSOLUTELY. But the convenience factor is not so simple as you make it seem. Besides the fact that, for the average Joe/Jane, finding a reliable, free, and virus-free source of ripped shows is not so simple, there is also the risks imposed under the new 3 (actually six)-strikes system and for a lawsuit.
On the other hand, if I can wait 3 days, I can have my product legally and risk free, but it costs more.
Modred189
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It's a KB-poof, so... yea.
Yes, I realize all this, hence why I said,
I NEVER SAID THIS. Please follow along.
But rights are RIGHTS. When you create something, whether it be a chair or a song, you have property rights in it. Period. When someone violates those rights, you can force the violator to compensate you for the violation. Whether that be damaging your chair or infringing your right to, say, public performance of a movie.
The THING in which you have property rights might be different, but the fact that you have rights to that thing (constitutional and statutory rights, mind you), and that you ought to be able to assert those rights is the same.
I was being hyperbolic, but let me amend to be more accurate:
Put disc in
Push Play
Hit "top menu " button
Push play
Watch movie.
That's not all that different than,
go to www.moochers.com
Search movie
Hit download
Wait a half hour
(Maybe unpack file)
Play file.
In fact, it takes much less time.
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No this is nothing but a veiled excuse to be able to charge children for actions they have no reasonable comprehension of being wrong.
It is a stupid move motivated by money alone.
It is a stupid move motivated by money alone.
Grimlaking
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People who illeaglly download and maintain copies of movies.
If they are movies you enjoy you are automatically contributing to the decline of that specific movie type being made again. Be that in broad strokes such as intelligent sci-fi or small strokes such as another Wolverine movie.
Recouping missed profits to your download is a problem for companies and individuals that work for these companies.
Yes you can justify saying.. "But this is just one person downloading one movie." And in every instance that is correct. But those 1's add up very fast.
In a country where the prevailing product is turning to services or art.. stealing the art from ourselves as a nation is just stupid and self defeating.
In my opinion of course.
If they are movies you enjoy you are automatically contributing to the decline of that specific movie type being made again. Be that in broad strokes such as intelligent sci-fi or small strokes such as another Wolverine movie.
Recouping missed profits to your download is a problem for companies and individuals that work for these companies.
Yes you can justify saying.. "But this is just one person downloading one movie." And in every instance that is correct. But those 1's add up very fast.
In a country where the prevailing product is turning to services or art.. stealing the art from ourselves as a nation is just stupid and self defeating.
In my opinion of course.
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ITT: White-knighting for greedy ass companies like the RIAA/MPAA
Not saying piracy is right, but...come on guys.
Not saying piracy is right, but...come on guys.
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Sounds good if they intend to make it part of a broader law eduction program.
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Not totally disagreeing with you on this but this is very much an example of real world vs. paper. Technology changes how the world works. I'm sure plenty of auto workers didn't want to find a new job when robots replaced them. Worst part is, robots can't take pride in what they do. Think of the gutting of postal service workers once e-mail and texting came in. Again, technology changes how the world works. Copyrights haven't kept up. They have the means to distribute and make available to the masses their products. They choose not to do so.
Remember when SecuROM and the Sony Rootkits were being bundled onto games and music CDs?
I had pirated copies of Bioshock 1&2 installed on my pc while legit versions sat on the shelf because the first time I installed Bioshock SecuROM f#cked up my pc to the point I had to do a full reinstall.
Please explain to me how I screwed 2K more then they screwed me by having to pirate something I legally purchased just because the DRM was so draconic it was damaging to end users?
I had pirated copies of Bioshock 1&2 installed on my pc while legit versions sat on the shelf because the first time I installed Bioshock SecuROM f#cked up my pc to the point I had to do a full reinstall.
Please explain to me how I screwed 2K more then they screwed me by having to pirate something I legally purchased just because the DRM was so draconic it was damaging to end users?
Modred189
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Not all content creators are litigious nutjob corporations. Some of us do it for fun or free, but still want to retain control over our works.
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No, his statement was correct.
The only thing that is a very broad and probably inaccurate assessment is copyright itself.
All copyright is doing is keeping the MPAA and RIAA semi-happy, and prohibiting the rest of the human race to advance itself.
In short, copyright needs to go away since it is obsolete and completely ineffective.
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If there were no copyright, no one would ever have to worry about such a thing.
But alas, the eradication of copyright will only exist in an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Great! We have a compromise here. How simple convenience is really gets granular when you start comparing different media, from different vendors and providers but that's not so important because we have compromise!
Really for pirates it comes down to risk vs reward.
Except it isn't.
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There has to be some mechanism to protect content creators.
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It is a mixed curse.
Take JS Bach. All his work is public domain. Everyone anywhere in the world 300 years later knows his name and his work.
Name 10 symphony composers born or working after 1921.
Why don't you know any? Because lawyers made sure no one could even perform their work without paying up....and performers don't want to spread their cut, so they only play PD works.
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I'm sure the decline in the popularity of orchestral music doesn't have anything to do with it...
And last I checked there aren't too many orchestral composers making it big. Other than Danny Elfman and John Williams that is.
Well, I guess there are two right there...
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It is just one tiny example indicative of the situation.
We need libraries as there are 10s of millions of books under copyright that are not in allowed to be in print as someone somewhere is squatting the copyright in hope of making $$$$$. But the publishers makes sure that whenever a book is sold the royalties get to the appropriate folks. Same thing. The amount of steps to which the author takes to ensure their cut forever more is inversely proportional to how many people become able to access his material thereafter. Because the right is squatted and the materials impossible to get, the work gets forgotten by history.
Copyright is a mixed bag the way it is enforced. The more draconian the steps are, the quicker the author is forgotten as people aren't able to buy the material.
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I think we should educate kids about political corruption and lobbying. How copyright went from a reasonable 14 years like patents to Life +70, and how it keeps getting extended every time Disney lobbies (bribes) congress. Mickey Mouse has stolen public domain.
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Frankly i find it silly that things like copyright can be bought and sold. So what's the point then? If the point as to protect innovation from being just flat out copied and stolen then why could it be transferred from entity to entity.
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This.
There could probably be a whole course just on government corruption, not just when it comes to copyright (that would be one chapter of the course) but pretty much everything.
In fact there needs to be way more awareness about government and corporate corruption. Schools would be a good start to talk about it.
I'd be happy to, once they get their heads out of their asses and update their business models. You know what I haven't downloaded in many years now? Music. My (paid) spotify subscription gets me access to anything I want, on any device I want. It's so much easier than pirating, why would I bother? Once the studios stop dicking around and move to a similar model, they can start getting some of my money as well. But I'm sure they will slowly (or even quickly) fill it with adds, making just as a pain to watch as regular TV. Or I can just download it with all the adds already removed... Hmmm which one to pick.
Modred189
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Of there are no ads how do they get paid?
For their services, like everyone else gets paid. It's one things for something like a website to use ads for revenue, since it's free for anyone to view. Same thing for Pandora or the free version of spotify. But if I'm paying for a service, I'm not going to waste my time watching ads so the corporation (not the content creators) can get 100's of millions extra on the side. It's one of the main reasons I dropped cable years ago. Mostly shit with 25% ads for filler. These cable companies had us by the balls before the internet was around, so everyone put up with it. Now they no longer have that control, and can either update their services to match the times, or lose money to pirates who aren't going to put up with that bullshit...
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You will obey your Corporate Overlords, you little shits. You will ...
OBEY
11th commandment, thou shalt not pirate music. So sayeth your Lord .... Sony-san
OBEY
11th commandment, thou shalt not pirate music. So sayeth your Lord .... Sony-san