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Cops Will Definitely Use Dead Suspects Fingers/Face to Open iPhones

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It was pretty much a given that once Apple began using fingerprints and face ID that iPhones weren't going to be very secure if the owner was incapacitated or dead. The FBI and other law enforcement organizations have been using fingers and faces of bad guys to open iPhones (Site detects ad blockers) after the suspect is deceased. You have to admit those guys aren't as stupid as some like to think and I bet they're happy Apple went to fingerprints and facial features to unlock phones.

Separate sources close to local and federal police investigations in New York and Ohio, who asked to remain anonymous as they weren't authorized to speak on record, said it was now relatively common for fingerprints of the deceased to be depressed on the scanner of Apple iPhones, devices which have been wrapped up in increasingly powerful encryption over recent years.
 
As I understand it, you can be legally compelled to provide your finger to unlock your phone (even if you're alive), but it's very difficult to legally compel a person to divulge a password or numerical lock code.
 
So the criminals just need to make sure to turn off or restart their phones before dying or committing their crimes.

That way, the fingerprint/face recognition will be useless because the passcode is required upon startup before it will let you use fingerprint/face recognition to unlock.
 
Only use a pin code here with wipe after 10 tries on. Pain in the ass to use every time I use my phone, but I use it for work as well and don't need info going wild.
 
jfreund said:
As I understand it, you can be legally compelled to provide your finger to unlock your phone (even if you're alive), but it's very difficult to legally compel a person to divulge a password or numerical lock code.
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Which is bs. It is why I restart my phones anytime I have to deal with police. Since it ask for a pin on reboot.
 
I'm usuall fiercely pro-privacy and opposed tonlaw enforcement taking liberties with my brain outside my brain (my phone) but I can't bring myself to really care that much about what happens after I'm dead.

My rights realtid don't matter very much anymore at that point. I can't be hurt any further.

Do our constitutional rights even apply after death?
 
Since courts have ruled we can legally be compelled by police to provide a finger print but not a password why dont phones have the finger print plus passcode thing as an option?
 
Elf_Boy said:
Since courts have ruled we can legally be compelled by police to provide a finger print but not a password why dont phones have the finger print plus passcode thing as an option?
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Then why have the fingerprint at all? Just use a pin/password.
 
haste. said:
What? How often are you feeling with police? My experiences with officers have always been pleasant...
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Funny typo aside, I have similar experiences.

The only time I ever interact with police is during traffic stops, and now that I am older, more mature and more responsible I rarely have those anymore.

The officers have always been courteous, non threatening and abiding by the law in my interactions. Except maybe that one time 14 years ago when I got stopped doing 168mph in a 55 zone, and the cop was PISSED. He was even more pissed because he had to let me go.

(Long story, undercover RI state trooper started tailgating me while in Massachusetts, and didn't pass when I moved over to let him by, so in my youthful stupidity I decided to outrun him, and did, until I slowed back down and forgot about him and he pulled me over when I crossed into RI. He radioed the MA State police at the border, but apparently they don't get along, and refused to send anyone)

I know that not all cops are good cops though, and in the heat of the moment there can be misunderstandings and false suspicions, so if I ever were in a hairy situation like that I would probably shut down my phone, unless I felt the need to use it to record what was going on. I'd probably shut it down when crossing the border too, just in case I was randomly selected by customs to search through my phone. No way I'm letting them do that. I'll happily be detained if that is what it takes.
 
My iPhone requires me to enter the password after 12 hours of inactivity. The fingerprint scan doens’t work and that’s by default if I’m not mistaken. I’m surprised this works at all - 12 hours isn’t a very long time.

Edit, and I’m wrong - it’s like 8 hours of inactivity after like 6 days of use. So I suppose fingerprints would work for quite some time after death.
 
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haste. said:
What? How often are you dealing with police? My experiences with officers have always been pleasant...
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While mine have been pleasant, they have also been expensive. Sir, do you know how fast you were driving? Probably about 60. Good guess sir, exactly 60 -- unfortunately this is a 45 zone. Ah, okay so that's going to hurt. Not too bad sir, about $300, but you can do a deferred adjudication and it won't go on your driving record. :eek:
 
Elf_Boy said:
For myself, the fingerprint seems more secure against thieves and is quicker/easier.
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It's far less secure, and you can never change it if your 'data' (the digital blob your fingerprint gets converted to) gets stolen. Finger/Face are the bane of computer security.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I'm usuall fiercely pro-privacy and opposed tonlaw enforcement taking liberties with my brain outside my brain (my phone) but I can't bring myself to really care that much about what happens after I'm dead.

My rights realtid don't matter very much anymore at that point. I can't be hurt any further.

Do our constitutional rights even apply after death?
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No, but we'll all laugh at the llama porn. After copying for ourselves, of course. :)



haste. said:
What? How often are you feeling with police? My experiences with officers have always been pleasant...
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With as much power we keep giving them, eventually you will be the criminal. New laws are coming out all the time. Eventually, you'll be on the wrong side of that interaction with the police.

I've always had good experiences with the police. Doesn't mean I trust them or think they have the public's best interest in mind.
 
Mega6 said:
Apparently, if you are dead - you have no rights. :bigtears:
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you might say he was...





dead to rights.



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Zarathustra[H] said:
I'm usuall fiercely pro-privacy and opposed tonlaw enforcement taking liberties with my brain outside my brain (my phone) but I can't bring myself to really care that much about what happens after I'm dead.

My rights realtid don't matter very much anymore at that point. I can't be hurt any further.

Do our constitutional rights even apply after death?
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Mostly no. There are search issues related to the idea that information the person has could impact others, so completely sacking the person's home without a warrant might not be such a good idea when other's live there. But in the same vein, almost anything in the immediate vicinity with reasonably ties to a homicide is pretty much fair game for search. And dead people don't have much in the way of rights beyond how I explained it above if I remember some reading on it accurately.

Of course if the cops are checking me out because I'm dead, like someone killed me, fuck yes I want them to find the asshole that killed me so by all means here's my finger (n)


lol, see what I did there?

I'm dead, here's my finger :D:ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:
 
On the iphone X, if u push the power button 5 times, it locks out the facial recognition without turning off or restarting the phone.
 
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