BostonHXC said:Mine just arrived, all I can say is that the build quality is nothing short of top notch. This thing is absolutely amazing, I cannot wait to move the system over to this case. By the way this makes the original HAF case look small!
SylarPowers said:It is nice to see cooler master still support 120mm fans as well as 140mm, I would love to see anyone do better 140mm fans tho, something as good as my gentle typhoons say.
I've never used Gentle Typhoon's... but i'm quite fond of my Noctua NF-P12 120mm fans.... and i'm tempted to get two 140mm Noctua's for the top of my case.... and maybe one for the back to replace that stock fan, too. Only thing that sucks is all that tan and brown really would throw off the blue & black theme the rest of the rig currently has.
Yeah, Alot lighter
My Z70B is less than 15lbs. because of the aluminum construction, but the panels on the Cosmos II is much thicker.
The Cosmos II would still be quite heavy in aluminum because of all the custom panels etc.
The Cosmos S was mostly aluminum but still heavy. Maybe we will see another Cosmos S this time around also that's close to all aluminum.
You're a big fan of the Raven series eh?
I'm a fan of the FT02 also, just need something different after 18 months of use.
The weight of the Cosmos II is all down to the fact that it uses steel for the majority of the case rather than aluminum, and i wouldn't have it any other way. yes, aluminum is lighter, but it's also SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive, and the only aluminum case i ever had was quite easy to strip the screw holes on the expansion slots with very little effort. And the compartmentalized sections of the Cosmos 2 aren't really that large. Yes, it seems like they made everything too big if you're looking at the regular ATX motherboards we all are using in it, but remember, this also supports dual-CPU motherboards with what is it... 9-10 expansion slots? So you throw that in there, the motherboard would be to the bottom of the main section, and little room between it and the PSU.
And i find it odd to complain about not being able to use a thick push-pull radiator up top, when it has the option to mount 2 more radiators without any modifications at all to the case.
As for a GPU brace... i don't really see the need, personally. Hell, i had an 8800GTX in my setup for quite some time with quite a large heatsink and a 120mm fan strapped to it, and had no issues. Also used a GTX 295 (original dual-PCB version) with no issues.
Well.... if that's the case, then i wouldn't be using tool-free expansion slot brackets, either. Just seems like one more way to potentially add unnecessary droop. Screws are more secure, if you ask me. Like i said... i just don't see the point to that sort of brace. And i actually like the Lego stack he's using. It's less in the way of everything. Probably also why i never used the "GPU Duct" in my old Cosmos 1000, either.
My Z70B does everything you and I stated in all aluminum for $300 shipped @ Newegg, $240 during a the Lian Li sale.
Yes, they over looked a few things, in some parts they choose over function. I'm grading it as an Ultra Tower, not a standard ATX case.
Here's the member Cosmos II on the previous page and mine:
Lego GPU Brace
My Lian Li Z70B standard aluminum GPU Brace
When spending $200 or more, my standards are a bit higher than most. I wish not to compromise.
There is also this:
The Cosmos II required far more tooling than any other case at or below it's price point.
The unique design of the case increases cost over the materials used.
You always have to make compromises in terms of manufacturers cost, customer cost, and features. Well there are probably 2 dozen other things to keep in mind. In that case I think the Cosmos II fails. I see why it might cost a lot more to make and design. I just am not sure of the value even on a escalating scale that all electronics have when it comes to features.
Its not like the Cosmos II is so feature rich and great that it fills a slot that no body else does, and is the first mass manufactured case to come with so much, or even be around the same price range.
Sure for certain use cases it does provide more then other comparative priced units but in reality I am not not sure its really going to be a great fit for the community. This isn't even a OMG its a $350 dollar case point of view. It doesn't need to be all aluminum, or all steal, but its an odd mixture of Steel, aluminum, and plastic, and there are some awkward places where plastic really shouldn't have been used, but it was. It's like it has multiple personality syndrome, and doesn't have a killer piece that brings it all together. Not at $350.
Coolermaster has always seemed to have figured out that perfect mixture of features, build materials, to create both a feature rich and cost effective case for the target audience. This time I think they missed their mark, I don't think they really knew the audience.
So yeah to me outside just plain size, what it brings to the table seems more like a $250-$275 case. And I don't know if it was you that posted that if it was all aluminum it would probably hit the TJ11 price point. That may be true but honestly I think would sell twice as many. Really the case that you should have modernized (like basing it on the internal structure of the Haf X) is the ATCS 840. Could have updated that and sold it for $350-$400, with less features, and gotten both the Cosmos market and gotten in on the ACTS/Lian Li/Silverstone market.
Yet supports a 240mm radiator below, a 120/140mm radiator at the back, and a 360/280/200mm radiator up top? How often do you see cases that have those kinds of options STOCK, and on top of that actually provide the hardware to mount the radiators?WorldExclusive said:No thick rad support
see above...WorldExclusive said:no GPU support bracket
Again... this case isn't just designed for ATX motherboards. It doesn't just have 10 expansion slots for show. I don't think i've ever seen a GPU cooler that required triple slots JUST for the cooler. THAT is why it is so tall. And it's heavy because the frame is made of steel, which makes it more affordable and more durable than had it been all aluminum.WorldExclusive said:Excessive weight/height
Yet supports a 240mm radiator below, a 120/140mm radiator at the back, and a 360/280/200mm radiator up top? How often do you see cases that have those kinds of options STOCK, and on top of that actually provide the hardware to mount the radiators?
As for cases that support 2 radiators internally, there are quite a few.
This is just from memory...
Xigmatek Elysium (360/420 + 360 + 120 + 120)
Enermax Fulmo GT (360/420 + 240/280 + 120 + 120)
Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra (same as fulmo)
AzzA 4000 (360 + 480 + 120 + 120)
Xilence Interceptor Pro (same as AzzA)
Corsair 800D ( 360 + 140 + 120)
Silverstone TJ-11 (420 + 360)
Silverstone TJ-07 (420 + 240)
Cooler Master Haf X (360 + 120)
Just about any Lian Li full tower...
And the list goes on and on. Holding radiators inside is nothing revolutionary anymore. The Cosmos II has just a bit too much plastic cladding and not enough actual volume to really fit the bill as a high end ultra tower. As I said before, the people looking to drop $350 are not the type of people who expect to compromise on a cooling setup. The Cosmos II is a nice case, but I think it just misses the mark at $350, especially when you look at the competition in the $200 range.