Phoenix, Obamacare hasn't really gone into effect yet. Much of it goes into effect next year, but full implementation is, as I recall, near the end of the decade. Regardless of how you feel about that law and/or the way it's implemented (which is very different than other places implement universal healthcare), there's no doubt that better mental health care in this country would be useful in stopping these types of shootings. OTOH, in the grand scheme of things, it will not significantly affect gun violence, because most gun violence is not done with assault weapons. Getting people to look at Mental illness in the same way they look at other types of ailments would also help encourage people to seek help.
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Congress May Try to Regulate Violent Video Games
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Phoenix, Obamacare hasn't really gone into effect yet. Much of it goes into effect next year, but full implementation is, as I recall, near the end of the decade. Regardless of how you feel about that law and/or the way it's implemented (which is very different than other places implement universal healthcare), there's no doubt that better mental health care in this country would be useful in stopping these types of shootings. OTOH, in the grand scheme of things, it will not significantly affect gun violence, because most gun violence is not done with assault weapons. Getting people to look at Mental illness in the same way they look at other types of ailments would also help encourage people to seek help.
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Can we start regulating the government now?
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The day Diane Feinsteine doesn't talk out her ass on things she knows nothing about is the day I truly am worried. She's the soccermom of california.
A couple weeks ago when Senator Cruz from Texas was asking Feinstein if she would try and limit the peoples rights like the 1st and 4th amendments like she is attempting to do to the 2nd. She responded that no amendment was absolute. Meaning as long as congress votes on it, pres signs it and supreme court goes along with it, they can limit whatever they want. Your rights are being flushed down the toilet every day a new law is passed.
Funny though, while I was watching the video of Feinstein, my 5 year old son asked me, "Dad who's that Old Man was with the wig" I doubled over in laughter.
Funny though, while I was watching the video of Feinstein, my 5 year old son asked me, "Dad who's that Old Man was with the wig" I doubled over in laughter.
Your understanding of the US Constitution and it's process is quite lacking there. She is absolutely correct. Article five permits the Constitution to be amended. There are no limits in place on what these amendments can do. You could technically pass an amendment to repeal the 1st amendment in the same way the 21st repealed the 18th.
Now the process you describe isn't accurate but I'm sure you can Wikipedia it.
Very true. IMHO those 3 are far more important than the 2nd. It is much more dangerous for a government to take away your ability to freely express and be secure in those expressions than to take away your gun. If guns equated to freedom North Korea would be a paradise as they have about 9 million total armed personnel there. Unfortunately there is no freedom of expression there so you have a group of people who can't even comprehend questioning their government.
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The bill of rights isn't meant as an establishment of rights. The bill of rights are not rights given by the government. The government has no right to take them away by amendment. No legitimate right at least. Sadly they have already ignored the constitution and its ideals countless times.
http://www.infowars.com/the-bill-of-rights-is-not-negotiable-share-this-urgent-declaration/
http://mises.org/daily/1117
I don't necessarily agree with everything in these two articles but I think they make good points.
bbvdd2 demonstrated no problems understanding the Constitution, because neither he nor Feinstein are talking about actual Constitutional Amendments (whether through Article V or the usual process). Feinstein believes that the Constitution cannot restrict legislation (that mere legislation trumps the Constitution), and bbvdd2 was pointing out the extremism of her position.
Just do like Chris Rock proposed and make bullets $5000? each. Can't recall the exact number. Anyway, you REALLY have to want to shoot somebody in that case.
Oh and the government is a complete waste of time, energy, space etc. Get a fucking clue. I play BF3 a lot and am the nicest person most people will ever meet.
Oh and the government is a complete waste of time, energy, space etc. Get a fucking clue. I play BF3 a lot and am the nicest person most people will ever meet.
I can't agree with this. Gamers are about one of the most complacent groups of people out there. Sure, we whine a lot, but we tend to do absolutely nothing about it. From allowing DLC into our games, to removing dedicated servers, to not allowing used games, to digital downloads, there have been tons of complaints about each and every one of those, but we end up embracing them because we are spineless cowards.
And who are the people who vote for people like her? The elderly and other people who probably have never played a game in their life. Yes, you can say you vote, but stats say you're probably in the minority.
If legislation comes to pass, and it probably will, this would be one of the few times I'd actually support piracy. Why will it come to pass? Because it's so ****ing stupid legislation and congress is so removed from any reasonable mindset, and they live in their own removed-from-reality bubble, that this is one of the few things that they can agree on.
It's not so much the she says garbage like this, but that she (and politicians like her) keep getting re-elected again, and again, and again, and again....
We have the East Coast equivalent to her in NJ. Frank Lautenberg. If he didn't retire, he would have died in office.
We have the East Coast equivalent to her in NJ. Frank Lautenberg. If he didn't retire, he would have died in office.
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If Congress really wants to regulate violence, how about they propose mental healthcare reformation -- you know, the actual issue that causes someone to turn violent.
The ONLY thing that trumps the American Constitution is the Holy Bible.
If the 1st and 2nd amendments are repealed or otherwise rendered null and void (by amendment or any other means) then America (the USA) no longer exists is a free nation. All other considerations become meaningless.
There are those individuals in powerful positions that should be not only stripped of their power but should also be so charged with treason or at the very least...sedition. Sadly, there are not enough people that have the ability to actually see (with understanding) just what it is that's happening. There are those that DO see it and then there are those that refuse to acknowledge that such things would even be conceived of within the minds of our so-called leaders.
If "gaming" is what it takes to spark people....I'll run with that.
If the 1st and 2nd amendments are repealed or otherwise rendered null and void (by amendment or any other means) then America (the USA) no longer exists is a free nation. All other considerations become meaningless.
There are those individuals in powerful positions that should be not only stripped of their power but should also be so charged with treason or at the very least...sedition. Sadly, there are not enough people that have the ability to actually see (with understanding) just what it is that's happening. There are those that DO see it and then there are those that refuse to acknowledge that such things would even be conceived of within the minds of our so-called leaders.
If "gaming" is what it takes to spark people....I'll run with that.
No, they want to remove the parent from the equation, and have been pretty successful so far towards achieving that end.
I saw we regulate congress and the president out on their asses instead.
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This is so wrong on so many levels. 9 million armed North Koreans... that are not part of the general populace, but part of the North Korean Military. Do you honestly believe that the civilian population would continue living in poverty and tyranny if they believed they could overthrow their government?
Gun ownership has been RISING, and gun crime and violent crime is LOWERING across the US, except in every city where it has been made illegal to carry a gun... the statistics and facts all show this is true.
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Again using the Sandy Hook tragedy as an example of video game violence, when it's already well established the guy was all kinds of messed up in the mind, his family didn't seem to help matters.
Instead of blowing government money (and my taxes) on trying to legislate video game control, maybe throw that money at subsidized mental healthcare, or a body that will make sure people that could pose a threat to the safety of the public get appropriate help, maybe even go after the psychiatrist that didn't take appropriate action with the patient and fine them/punish them for negligence...Bah curse my common sense, who am I kidding lets go after video games!
Instead of blowing government money (and my taxes) on trying to legislate video game control, maybe throw that money at subsidized mental healthcare, or a body that will make sure people that could pose a threat to the safety of the public get appropriate help, maybe even go after the psychiatrist that didn't take appropriate action with the patient and fine them/punish them for negligence...Bah curse my common sense, who am I kidding lets go after video games!
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I was not arguing against better mental health care. I simply didn't agree with the universal healthcare plug. Mental health care is never going to stop a determined killer. A person that's borderline psychotic that needs help and gets it - yes, that can do some good and I'm all for that, but I'm also rather concerned about opportunistic bureaucrats and politicians that will twist the mental health part into another form of gun control. Just label someone with certain "tendencies" as mentally unstable and voila, they can't legally buy a firearm anymore. The DHS already has certain people put on terrorist watch lists just for engaging in innocent activities that they don't necessarily agree with. With that kind of mentality floating around the Federal Government, I think people should be cautious about how all this proceeds. There's plenty of room for abuse all around. We know criminals already abuse firearms, and that needs to be stopped by punishing the perps as much as possible. I just want to see that nobody's being deprived of their legitimate rights in the efforts to fix these things, which is what usually happens when "well-meaning" politicians go off crusading for some cause or another. Let's not forget how well intentioned the Patriot Act was.
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There's no reason you need to own a plasma TV of size greater than 32" either, because it takes up too much electricity that could be used to heat the homes of underprivileged children. Also, it's dangerous for your eyesight, and since the taxpayers are about to have to have an interest in that too, I want to be able to make sure you aren't harming yourself to my financial detriment.
There's also no reason you need to own a vehicle of any size larger than a SmartCar, since that's all you could possibly ever need to get one or two people from place to place.
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On a serious note, the FBI has data that says that so-called "assault weapons" are used in less than 2% of violent crimes. Literally, fists and blunt weapons each kill more people annually than "assault weapons" like the evil AR and 100 round drum you want to get rid of. If people like you and our Constitutionally-illiterate Congressmen really wanted to stop gun crime, they would go after illegally-obtained cheap handguns and straw buyers used by criminal gangs.
However, since there's no media attention in actually enforcing the gun laws we have now and there's no way to gin up public outrage if our law enforcement were doing what they were supposed to do, it makes more political capital to go after legally-obtained weapons owned by law abiding citizens (Texas data shows that CCW permit holders are less likely than uniformed police officers to be arrested for any kind of crime) by simply painting "assault weapons" as evil and unreasonable for civilians to own.
The end goal of people like Feinstein is complete confiscation of all private weaponry. Some gun-control proponents are even on record saying that their ultimate dream is no weapon ownership by Americans.
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Nice haha
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Another pro-Bloomberg, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, anti-gun politician got arrested today. Mayor James Schiliro had police bring him a 20 year old male for sexual purposes. He tried to get him drunk, when that didn't work he took out his guns and started shooting.
See what kind of people the anti-Second Amendment politicians are.
See what kind of people the anti-Second Amendment politicians are.
Holy crap! Another one of Bloomberg's buddies got arrested. I've honestly lost count of how many members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns have gotten arrested.
I was actually waiting for someone to bring this up. So am I to understand that military personnel are mindless unthinking drones? I have several friends in the US military and occasionally we discuss when they would stop obeying orders. The general consensus is they would never use their weapons against American civilians. Soldiers are people with the ability to think and debate just as any other person. Just because they are in the military does not mean they lose the ability to reason.
The difference between the people in the military in NK and the USA is that those who live in NK have never been exposed to the concept of opposing government due to limits on free speech. If the 9 million NK soldiers were permitted free access to information and though, how many of them do you think would become not so loyal armed dissidents?
Funny, the author of the first link actually says exactly what I did..
The whole article screams right wing nut job though. Because someone has an opinion and expresses it according to their rights they are a traitor? The article basically says we don't care about the 1st because we don't want to debate the 2nd.
I was not at all trying to imply that military personnel are drones. I'm a veteran myself, having served 8 years in the Navy, and I would like to think that the North Korean military would help fix the injustice, but like you said they have limited access to information.
I don't think you can even begin to compare our military personnel to North Korean military personnel. Our military is all-volunteer, theirs is not. They have re-education camps, we do not.
I was responding to the ridiculous assertion that if guns = freedom, then North Korea should be free because their military is armed...
Fair enough. I just dislike the argument that guns = freedom in general. Some revolutions involve violence (USA for example), other times governments are overthrown completely peacefully (Poland for example). To me the most vital component of government opposition is the free expression of thought. It is far more powerful than any firearm.
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Having some firepower to back up that free expression of thought certainly helps though. A government that fears its citizenry is a government that will work for the citizenry. A citizenry that is afraid of its government is not free.