confirmed: AMD's big Navi launch to disrupt 4K gaming

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Okay, I was just looking at a hardwaretimes article on INT16, now that you mentioned the half-execution.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidi...hy-the-rtx-3080-is-limited-to-10gb-of-memory/

The article was indicating: "As a result of this new partitioning, each Ampere SM partition can execute either 32 FP32 instructions per clock or 16 FP32 and 16 INT32 instructions per cycle. You’re essentially trading integer performance for twice the floating-point capability. Fortunately, as the majority of graphics workloads are FP32, this should work towards NVIDIA’s advantage." But I must still be misunderstanding something, because if the majority of workloads are FP32 focused, then the sheer number of cores should be able to complete the workload much faster...
AdoredTV has an informative video on the subject:


Games still utilize integer data path for about 1/4 of operations:

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https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidi...hy-the-rtx-3080-is-limited-to-10gb-of-memory/

The article was indicating: "As a result of this new partitioning, each Ampere SM partition can execute either 32 FP32 instructions per clock or 16 FP32 and 16 INT32 instructions per cycle. You’re essentially trading integer performance for twice the floating-point capability. Fortunately, as the majority of graphics workloads are FP32, this should work towards NVIDIA’s advantage." But I must still be misunderstanding something, because if the majority of workloads are FP32 focused, then the sheer number of cores should be able to complete the workload much faster...

You still have to feed data to those execution units. That requires tons of bandwidth. Caches do help but only so much. For compute workloads where the data fits entirely in cache you see GPUs hitting close to their peak instruction throughout. This isn’t the case for games.

In games only some parts of a frame are FP32 heavy. Other parts of the frame are 100% bandwidth or fillrate limited. You will never see perfect scaling based on FP32 alone. You need to scale up everything else too.
 

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I am convinced MLID and Jim from AdoredTV are on AMD's marketing payroll.

You clearly haven't followed them enough. They have torched AMD bunch of times. Watch their past vidoes. MLID doesn't fuck around and calls bullshit like it is and Adored has went of on AMD bunch of times.
 

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Someone that actually pays attention. It's people like you that restore a modicum of hope.

As stated by jeremyshaw, they've been on a "better" process node already and still couldn't hang. So to believe otherwise until there is verifiable proof is foolish at best, ignorant at worst.
So we are just flat out ignoring architectural generations? It's node process or bust?
Whatever :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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You clearly haven't followed them enough. They have torched AMD bunch of times. Watch their past vidoes. MLID doesn't fuck around and calls bullshit like it is and Adored has went of on AMD bunch of times.


I have followed both since they started,as with most of the other rumor mongers and other yellow journalists,but things can change,just as the economy has and peoples financial needs within it.
 

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I am convinced MLID and Jim from AdoredTV are on AMD's marketing payroll.
Ya took the time to name his name and give the channel name, but MLID for the other :rolleyes:
These aren't house-hold names! Not to pick on you but, people, this it isn't Twitter. You can say whole words so we know WTF your talking about!
 
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I believe they sent Jim a Radeon VII he said he liked it except for the blank screens and drivers.
 

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I have followed both since they started,as with most of the other rumor mongers and other yellow journalists,but things can change,just as the economy has and peoples financial needs within it.

Still MLID has shitted on AMD plenty of time. Doesn’t change that fact. No he is not on AMDs payroll. He sticks to what he feels and calls out both if they got issues.
 
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I believe they sent Jim a Radeon VII he said he liked it except for the blank screens and drivers.


This is what Jim has openly admitted to?,but there is a video up on AdoredTV where he rants that HE 'helped' them sell THOUSANDS of cards,while they(RTG) were giving him the cold shoulder and that they "Need to DO something for he,JIM.." The implications being obvious. Jim is at the very least an influencer,but given how most msm have been little more then militarized levels of propaganda the last few decades,and youtube is awash in blatant advertising/influencers,I can see how many cannot see the lines being more then just blurred,and some would even defend this type of behavior. Even Edward Bernays would blush at what these folks do.I recommend folks watch "The Minds of Men",research: The Smith-Mundt Act, and other documentaries on this topic,to see just how far its gone and how incredibly sophisticated it now is.This one here is good but quite mild as to how sophisticated the marketing now is:
PBS did a 1 hour one a few years back I cannot link here, on how big corps like nVIDIA/AMD/Ford,household names,etc approach channels on youtube that are already aligned to a degree already, and have their marketing dept or a K Street type 'guide' the youtuber,its a must watch,real eye opener. But hey believe and think what you want. Here is hoping AMD brings the fire on the 28th.
 

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Jim is at the very least an influencer,but given how most msm have been little more then militarized levels of propaganda the last few decades,and youtube is awash in blatant advertising/influencers,I can see how many cannot see the lines being more then just blurred,and some would even defend this type of behavior.
And I think there is only going to be more of that judging by Team Green's actions this last product cycle. And Jim IMO does not fit into that category at all. He is still far from being controlled by a brand into showing only what that brand wants shown.
 

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This is what Jim has openly admitted to?,but there is a video up on AdoredTV where he rants that HE 'helped' them sell THOUSANDS of cards,while they(RTG) were giving him the cold shoulder and that they "Need to DO something for he,JIM.." The implications being obvious. Jim is at the very least an influencer,but given how most msm have been little more then militarized levels of propaganda the last few decades,and youtube is awash in blatant advertising/influencers,I can see how many cannot see the lines being more then just blurred,and some would even defend this type of behavior. Even Edward Bernays would blush at what these folks do.I recommend folks watch "The Minds of Men",research: The Smith-Mundt Act, and other documentaries on this topic,to see just how far its gone and how incredibly sophisticated it now is.This one here is good but quite mild as to how sophisticated the marketing now is:
PBS did a 1 hour one a few years back I cannot link here, on how big corps like nVIDIA/AMD/Ford,household names,etc approach channels on youtube that are already aligned to a degree already, and have their marketing dept or a K Street type 'guide' the youtuber,its a must watch,real eye opener. But hey believe and think what you want. Here is hoping AMD brings the fire on the 28th.

Maybe I'm crazy but I distinctly remember it being leaked about nvidia paying posters to post on forums.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised to learn that any notable brand does this. From a marketing perspective, it's smart money.
This is nothing new at all. True story: Literally the first time I walked into 3dfx offices, I was introduced to two people working there and their only job was to post on forums. Sometimes as 3dfx employees, and other times as normal anonymous accounts. It was an open "secret" back in those days. Now it is done through contractors and much more on the QT.
 

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This is nothing new at all. True story: Literally the first time I walked into 3dfx offices, I was introduced to two people working there and their only job was to post on forums. Sometimes as 3dfx employees, and other times as normal anonymous accounts. It was an open "secret" back in those days. Now it is done through contractors and much more on the QT.

Wow, I need to get in on this job and get out of healthcare
 

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tl;dw AMD may not have used their top card for the 5000-series announcement, instead, selected a lower-tier card meant to compete more or less directly against the 3080. RedGamingTech says it's a 64-72-core part.
 

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I remember someone replying to me on reddit and posting a link to TPU thread. Where it talks about Nvidia using some company that has paid actors in web forums.

Those were fun times. You could respond to anybody who disagreed with you on a forum with "shut up paid shill!"
 

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This is nothing new at all. True story: Literally the first time I walked into 3dfx offices, I was introduced to two people working there and their only job was to post on forums. Sometimes as 3dfx employees, and other times as normal anonymous accounts. It was an open "secret" back in those days. Now it is done through contractors and much more on the QT.
Usenet was fun in those days.
 

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This is nothing new at all. True story: Literally the first time I walked into 3dfx offices, I was introduced to two people working there and their only job was to post on forums. Sometimes as 3dfx employees, and other times as normal anonymous accounts. It was an open "secret" back in those days. Now it is done through contractors and much more on the QT.

Shit like this pisses me off.

Companies should focus on creating good products and placing them in the marketplace, NOT trying to control or manipulate the narrative.

That's one of the reasons I miss the [H] reviews.

I always pictured you opening the review sample, grabbing the reviewers notes/guide (or whatever they called their propaganda pamphlet that came with it, can't remember) and just tossing it over your shoulder and doing real tests in real things that people use. :p

Lets just say that I don't trust any of these current clowns on YouTube to have that kind of integrity. No, not even Linus.
 

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Shit like this pisses me off.

Companies should focus on creating good products and placing them in the marketplace, NOT trying to control or manipulate the narrative.

That's one of the reasons I miss the [H] reviews.

I always pictured you opening the review sample, grabbing the reviewers notes/guide (or whatever they called their propaganda pamphlet that came with it, can't remember) and just tossing it over your shoulder and doing real tests in real things that people use. :p

Lets just say that I don't trust any of these current clowns on YouTube to have that kind of integrity. No, not even Linus.

Thats why I like a few select places to read reviews. Gamersnexus.net, Techspot.com, thefpsreview.com. Those are great review sites that I know aren't paid off. If anything they piss off a lot of the companies and sometimes are blacklisted lol.
 

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Thats why I like a few select places to read reviews. Gamersnexus.net, Techspot.com, thefpsreview.com. Those are great review sites that I know aren't paid off. If anything they piss off a lot of the companies and sometimes are blacklisted lol.

Gamernexus made a great video. Taking dollar bribe to say good things hahaha. It was really funny.
 

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I actually ordered the AMD mountain bike but people on Reddit said it was a piece of crap.

Didn't help that they delayed shipment until December so I just cancelled and ordered a real bike.
 

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I actually ordered the AMD mountain bike but people on Reddit said it was a piece of crap.

Didn't help that they delayed shipment until December so I just cancelled and ordered a real bike.
Who makes the bike

If it was specialized, orbea, trek, giant, etc.... it was a real bike
 
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Shit like this pisses me off.

Companies should focus on creating good products and placing them in the marketplace, NOT trying to control or manipulate the narrative.

That's one of the reasons I miss the [H] reviews.

I always pictured you opening the review sample, grabbing the reviewers notes/guide (or whatever they called their propaganda pamphlet that came with it, can't remember) and just tossing it over your shoulder and doing real tests in real things that people use. :p

Lets just say that I don't trust any of these current clowns on YouTube to have that kind of integrity. No, not even Linus.
I think alot of them start with good intentions, but as the loot starts to flow in, a new "normal" sets in. Is it even possible to not shill in some form when you receive so many freebies. Those "critical" reviews start to always have positives peppered in, and you can always find a "buyer that would benefit from getting this."
 

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In my defense here, I have been looking to buy a bike since my wife has recently gotten into it. I wanted to bike with her. I just happened to see that bike pop up on AMD's site and thought, what the hell? It was put out there as more of a joke than anything else. My personal opinion is that AMD should stick to t-shirts and stickers when it comes to branding swag. That said, I got an "extra" if want to come by and pick it up for $200! :p

And for the record, I did pay for mine.

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OK, now let's get back on topic please.
 

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News is a couple of days old but, RDNA2 supports AV1 Decode. Hopefully they improved their H.264 encoder, as well.
Yeah, I haven't heard to much but I was really hoping to hear some improvements on encoding, they are so far behind Intel and NVIDIA in this it's hard to recommend them for anyone that needs to do transcoding. I run mostly AMD GPU's but I can't rationalize putting one in my plex server that runs headless, the other 99% of the GPU is useless, I just need encoding/decoding and AMD pulls up the rear. My other 6 desktops run AMD GPU's (4 are Intel, 2 AMD), and 3 of my 5 laptops are nvidia :). I just buy w/e does what I need it to do at the time for the $ I can afford and most are for my kids so $/perf is/was most important. It seems their new cards can keep up with raster @ 4k, hopefully their RT isn't to horrible and they have some slight improvements to encoding and most importantly, they are available ;).
 
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