Comcast, beware: New city-run broadband offers 1Gbps for $60 a month

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And it makes surveillence even easier for the government. No longer do they need to go to an ISP and tap their lines or ask them to let them tap them. They own them!
Its already happening. So might as well save money doing it. Only solution is to get of the internet lol.
 

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*Shrug* I will probably never have that option where I live, in the Buffalo, NY area or, City of Tonawanda, specifically. I have only one high speed option and that is Spectrum and no, I do not want to spend $200 for a install fee alone just to get gigabit speeds.
Got me beat, I would gladly pay $200 for a setup fee for 1gbps... They wanted over $400 setup fee, 2 year contract @ $300 a month for 1.5mbps (yes, mega).... I got satellite which runs out of data on day one typically. I'd happily pay $150 a month for 100mbps, so be happy you even get the option because it's way better than my.... Option?
 

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*Shrug* I will probably never have that option where I live, in the Buffalo, NY area or, City of Tonawanda, specifically. I have only one high speed option and that is Spectrum and no, I do not want to spend $200 for a install fee alone just to get gigabit speeds.
damn. You won’t pay one time $200 fee to get gigabit speeds? Is that from spectrum or you are saying in general even if someone bought fiber to your neighborhood and wanted to charge a drop fee of 200 to give you one gig up and down with no caps? To me that is well worth the $200. Sometimes we gotta think overall investment. If it’s gonna save me time downloading this shit is worth the $200 overtime.
 

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My parents got fiber 15 years ago. They had to do a 3 year contract to get free installation, but it was worth it. And they actually had good cable and several companies offering good DSL for the time. And they live in a small rural town. You get a lot of great options when there's competition. And they had competition because there weren't any stupid city/county/state rules stopping new ISPs from starting up and running lines. That's a big problem in way too many areas.
 

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Good for you, I wouldn't trust PG&E with it....
I still have ATT, but every 10 years or so we will have a nasty ice storm that wrecks the power grid. Wonder how long it will take them to get internet back up after one of those. Bet people won't be happy then.
 

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Its already happening. So might as well save money doing it. Only solution is to get of the internet lol.
The one good thing I would concede, is that they can violate your privacy less. 1st amendment and such applies only the government. By working with companies who will turn over your info without contest, they circumvent those protections.

regardless, the government should control the hardwire only, but then allow multiple choice of ISPs to connect you to the internet. This way the government is out of content control and people get competition.
 

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Power company here is doing it, running fiber over their existing poles. 60/mo no caps. ATT and Cox aren't liking it at all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of them doing that since they're all upgrading their grids to 100-200G just for reporting purposes to their substations and what not, tacking on services seems pretty easy at that point to their dwdm networks.
 

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American cable internet is such a joke. Like $100 month for measly 50 Gbps. And a lot of the time not very stable either.
 

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Power company here is doing it, running fiber over their existing poles. 60/mo no caps. ATT and Cox aren't liking it at all.
Sounds like Lafayette LA (though unless they'e come back, AT&T gave up on upgrading there years ago, but COX is still kicking...and probably winning on the video front).
 

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Definitely not my team. We only archived the billing records (but as I said, MMS billing records included the text). If the feds can crack a VPN, then it really doesn't matter what ISP you're using. The ISP itself, AFAIK, can see that you're using a VPN, but they can't tell what you're doing behind the VPN. If they could, it'd pretty much negate the usefulness of a VPN. If you know something, then explain, because my cursory look shows they can't see what you're doing.
I have SSL decrypt enabled on my network, not only can I see that somebody is using a VPN but I can also see all the content and usually block it accordingly log the attempts and take it up with their supervisor.
 

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Power company here is doing it, running fiber over their existing poles. 60/mo no caps. ATT and Cox aren't liking it at all.
Around here I have numerous options for >100Mbps speeds, 4 options for gigabit speeds too (although I'm sure at least one is using leased lines), and yanno what prices are not horribly expensive with Comcast too. That said I stick with Comcast primarily for one reason, cell phone service. Between my wife and I, we pay $12/month (TOTAL not each phone) for cell service, now granted this is with a 1Gig limit (shared) but honestly we don't use much data away from wifi, and sure it's not the best service but I've definitely seen worse, and $12 a month, for 2 phones! How could I NOT do that. So any future change in internet service needs to take that into account when comparing prices, I think they charge $25 per line if you're not a Comcast customer, so I need to add at a minimum $38/month to any other internet service I see, I mean I'm sure I could shop around for other similar services that may cost a little more but dealing with them can be a hassle when the tell you that your phone won't work on their network or some other bullshit (Hey it's an S8+ for fucks sake, it should work everywhere)
 

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I have SSL decrypt enabled on my network, not only can I see that somebody is using a VPN but I can also see all the content and usually block it accordingly log the attempts and take it up with their supervisor.
So to be clear, you're saying that you assume that every time your employees work remotely, 100% of it is being read by anyone who wants to read it, including the ISP? And if that's the case, then why does virtually every company with remote workers use a VPN?

Also, can you show me a link to articles showing that VPN encryption doesn't work? I've looked and nothign stands out to me.
 

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Power company here is doing it, running fiber over their existing poles. 60/mo no caps. ATT and Cox aren't liking it at all.
with no net neutrality the local power company doesn't have to share the pole with them

that's why they are pissed.

well that is unless cox or att pull out their title 2 card and call themselves a communication service to bully the utility in to letting them use their pole.
 

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So to be clear, you're saying that you assume that every time your employees work remotely, 100% of it is being read by anyone who wants to read it, including the ISP? And if that's the case, then why does virtually every company with remote workers use a VPN?

Also, can you show me a link to articles showing that VPN encryption doesn't work? I've looked and nothign stands out to me.
No I am saying that if they are in my building on my network and they connect to a 3’rd party VPN the network automatically man in the middles it and monitors their traffic does the same for HTTPS. I assume that ISP’s log everything they can, and only go looking at it should they be required to nobody is paying anybody to snoop through random traffic. I assume any remote work is protected through the ambivalence of the ISP entity regardless of what ever encryption tech is involved.

VPN’s can protect a user from prying eyes of 3’rd parties but can’t keep out the owner of the network you are on.
 

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Also, can you show me a link to articles showing that VPN encryption doesn't work? I've looked and nothign stands out to me.
To protect from MITM attacks by fascist netadmins, you verify remote certificates like you're supposed to with end-to-end encryption. And if the traffic gets blocked then you'll have to modify use a custom SSL stack / other form of encryption. Most SSL-based software will notify you of the MITM attack attempt until you explicitly add the company CA to the trusted list.

Also this is only acceptable behavior on corporate networks. Residential ISPs doing this on a large scale results in a scandal, like the recent one in Kazakhstan.
 

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To protect from MITM attacks by fascist netadmins, you verify remote certificates like you're supposed to with end-to-end encryption. And if the traffic gets blocked then you'll have to modify use a custom SSL stack / other form of encryption. Most SSL-based software will notify you of the MITM attack attempt until you explicitly add the company CA to the trusted list.

Also this is only acceptable behavior on corporate networks. Residential ISPs doing this on a large scale results in a scandal, like the recent one in Kazakhstan.
Not fascist netadmin, just policy for government networks. Your secrets come in they don’t go out.
 

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Unincorporated in Colorado but fully surrounded by municipal broadband. Paying 90 for 1000/40..... debating moving to get better upload. CenturyLink just put fiber in my brother in law's neighborhood and getting 1000/1000 for 65.
 

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Unincorporated in Colorado but fully surrounded by municipal broadband. Paying 90 for 1000/40..... debating moving to get better upload. CenturyLink just put fiber in my brother in law's neighborhood and getting 1000/1000 for 65.
Though to be clear for those that don't know, this is a special and after it ends, the price is 80 or 85/month. I'd get it, but I'm forced to pay for Comcast at this place, whether I use it or not.
 

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Psh. Ya'll in here talking about paying "too much" for your 100+ Mb/s services and I'm sitting here with the "option" of paying Centurylink $50 a month for 30 Mb/s or going with ISPs that have 50 GB data caps. I would fucking love the option to pay "too much" for the services some of you folks have.
 

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These are owned by local/city governments, not usually the first people you think of spying on an entire population.
The point is they are owned by local city / governments, thus it is easier for them to get access, say the NSA/CIA/FBI because of who owns them, vs needing to go through courts and processes to ask a business to give them access but not tell anyone..
 

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Power company here is doing it, running fiber over their existing poles. 60/mo no caps. ATT and Cox aren't liking it at all.
Wish someone would run fiber out here, except we don't have any poles as everything is under ground.

Sick of Cox and their high prices and caps.
 

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I'm curious why everybody is so afraid of somebody seeing their data? What kind of illegal activity are you up to? Or are you so arrogant as to think anybody gives a shit what you are doing online?

Besides the simple principles in our constitution, I couldn't care less who sees what I am doing online, other than some stranger trying to steal my credit card/passwords. I don't think I have to worry about the feds stealing my CC info.

I also can't comprehend what you would do with a 1gbps connection...my only option is cellular and the ~20mbps or so I get (on a good day) is just fine for streaming high definition video. I'd kill for a 1.5mbps DSL line...
 
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I'm curious why everybody is so afraid of somebody seeing their data? What kind of illegal activity are you up to? Or are you so arrogant as to think anybody gives a shit what you are doing online?

Besides the simple principles in our constitution, I couldn't care less who sees what I am doing online, other than some stranger trying to steal my credit card/passwords. I don't think I have to worry about the feds stealing my CC info.

I also can't comprehend what you would do with a 1gbps connection...my only option is cellular and the ~20mbps or so I get (on a good day) is just fine for streaming high definition video. I'd kill for a 1.5mbps DSL line...
For the same reason I wouldn't want someone standing outside my window looking in at whatever I'm doing, no matter how mundane. It's uncomfortable.
 

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I'm curious why everybody is so afraid of somebody seeing their data? What kind of illegal activity are you up to? Or are you so arrogant as to think anybody gives a shit what you are doing online?
Ever picked your nose? Want the picture from your laptop's camera posted online?
 

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I'm curious why everybody is so afraid of somebody seeing their data? What kind of illegal activity are you up to? Or are you so arrogant as to think anybody gives a shit what you are doing online?

Besides the simple principles in our constitution, I couldn't care less who sees what I am doing online, other than some stranger trying to steal my credit card/passwords. I don't think I have to worry about the feds stealing my CC info.

I also can't comprehend what you would do with a 1gbps connection...my only option is cellular and the ~20mbps or so I get (on a good day) is just fine for streaming high definition video. I'd kill for a 1.5mbps DSL line...
Cause you don't care about people seeing what you do in your private life doesn't mean others are comfortable with it. People have private stuff on their computers and it has nothing to do with legal or illegal things. You go live in China and see how much you will start to care about your privacy and freedoms we enjoy here in the state. The if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about is such a idiotic statement. Also you might not need 1 gbps internet but people with big families do. It is easy to kill you bandwidth with a few 4k streams going with typical sub 100mbps internet. Think beyond your small world.
 

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Amazed at all the home user ISP experts who claim to know what really goes into building a fiber network. Something tells me the city will magically release themselves from the hundreds of man hours in PERMITTING ALONE they require from the private sector just to trench a cable.
 

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There's already a task force in place looking to do the same in my city. Hoping it'll be in place within the next 4-5 years.
 

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I'd like to state this:
if we found 2-5 currently well paid IT/Network people whom would want to create their own isp, (they could accomplish it much quicker.). Sure big cities are a btch, but starting from small towns/cities i'm sure those could make great private ISP's within couple months.

Reality you do not need fiber network if you are in small towns, but permits and digging are likely to be very cheap.
 

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Also you might not need 1 gbps internet but people with big families do. It is easy to kill you bandwidth with a few 4k streams going with typical sub 100mbps internet. Think beyond your small world.
I'm betting it's just a bunch of nerds that want bragging rights. How many people actually watch multiple 4k streams at once? And if it's for the kids they do not need 4k. Most people cannot tell the difference between 4k and 1080p...
 

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I'm betting it's just a bunch of nerds that want bragging rights. How many people actually watch multiple 4k streams at once? And if it's for the kids they do not need 4k. Most people cannot tell the difference between 4k and 1080p...
you would lose that bet in my household. 3 kids all with streaming devices crippled my network years ago when we had a 50/10 connection....thankfully we have faster options now.

EDIT: just for clarification, Im not saying your entirely wrong..I surely dont need a 1Gbps connection, but its certainly nice to know I will likely never have to worry about running out of bandwidth
 
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I'm betting it's just a bunch of nerds that want bragging rights. How many people actually watch multiple 4k streams at once? And if it's for the kids they do not need 4k. Most people cannot tell the difference between 4k and 1080p...
So the feds have been going around posting private pictures online? When did this happen?
This is the kind of person that has a very narrow world view and cannot comprehend why others don't think the same way he does.

Can we live with a 20 mbps connection? Yes, we can. Are faster connections nice to have? Yes they are. It can mean the difference between downloading a Steam game in 10 minutes vs 1.5 hours. It can mean being able to watch videos while not disrupting someone else's gaming.

As for the whole privacy thing... As if the government is a pure and incorruptable existence that doesn't have average people working in them.
 

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Can we live with a 20 mbps connection? Yes, we can. Are faster connections nice to have? Yes they are. It can mean the difference between downloading a Steam game in 10 minutes vs 1.5 hours. It can mean being able to watch videos while not disrupting someone else's gaming.
Sure, faster than 20mbps is fine. 1gbps is almost unusable...in most circumstances the server you are downloading from isn't going to feed you that fast even if you have the connection on your end.

It's for bragging rights.
 

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Sure, faster than 20mbps is fine. 1gbps is almost unusable...in most circumstances the server you are downloading from isn't going to feed you that fast even if you have the connection on your end.

It's for bragging rights.
Gigabit is the only thing big enough to fit my epeen pics.
 

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Hell yeah, bring it. I would love to tell Frontier and Spectrum to pound sand.
 
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