CHP: Drunk Driver Slept While Tesla Appeared to Drive Hwy 101 on Autopilot

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  1. Oldmodder

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    I know, but i would expect even in driving aid mode the car would react properly to emergency vehicles if the driver don't do so for some reason.
    But lets be real many a Tesla owner are already trying to use their car as a autonomous vehicle trying to bypass what ever safety measures Tesla have but in to combat that level of stupid.
    And i do hope that people using their car wrongly get slammed if something happen, though that is not going to happen where i live as our society are so "broken" that we do not have a thing like vehicular manslaughter.
     
  2. BoiseTech

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    Sucks being torn between government not letting people say stupid stuff, and wanting less government....
     
  3. griffinhart

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    Musk has always been overconfident in his predictions and he didn't say 10 years, he said 3. He also predicted that his cars would be Level 5 Autonomous capable withing two years.... A year and a half ago.
    https://electrek.co/2017/04/29/elon-musk-tesla-plan-level-5-full-autonomous-driving/
     
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  5. ManofGod

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    Then why have any version of "Autopilot" at all? You have to pay attention as though you are in complete control, you might as well be in complete control.
     
  6. travisty

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    The key difference between all other cruise control + lane assist and Tesla's auto-pilot is that Tesla's is getting updates all the time; unlike the static state of the competition.

    Example of the current state of Tesla autopilot: I drove to the Grand Canyon from northern Colorado in my Model 3 over thanskgiving. With the newest version of autopilot it's able to take highway exits (ie slow down into the turn and accelerate after the turn/merge onto the next highway or stop at the stop light/circle/etc at the surface street). The only time i had to actively drive was going from the exit onto surface street. Out of the 1766 miles driven, i may have actively driven 20 miles. Otherwise i just had my hand comfortably resting on the steering wheel and was monitoring. It's wonderful!

    If curious, charging added about 2 hours to the trip. Going i took 2 days. Coming back i did it in a single 14 hour day.

    Total cost of the supercharging was $86.02 for the trip. The trip was 1766 miles. So roughly 5 cents per mile cost wise. Note: Charging from home costs 2 cents per mile (based off my electric rate of 8 cents per kWh)

    P.S. I took a longer route through Albuquerque instead of through the mountains to visit family going and decided to go that same route back which added roughly 200 miles round trip
     
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  7. M76

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    Yeah, it's still not designed to be used without constant driver oversight. So I don't know what's your point, apart from offering free advertising for tesla.
     
  8. Link

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    only if he tinted the windows.....
     
  9. Zarathustra[H]

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    Which is what real autopilots in aircraft are like as well...

    To those knowledgeable about flying, this is a very apt name.

    Either way, I do see how it could be misunderstood by the general public who knows nothing about flying a plane, and they really should have chosen a better name.

    That said, this is the only purpose I'd ever want a self driving car system for. So that I can get home safe in my own car after a night out on the town. Until they can offer this (both functionally and legally), I don't want any self driving tech in any car I own. Heck, even when they can offer this, I want the car to be driver first, and automated second, so I can disable the system and drive it like a real car when I want to. (which will be >99% of the time)
     
  10. Darunion

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    Agreed. I would love to not have to worry about a DD or uber (ugh) and just get in the car and let it take me home. Or if I am on a long drive I could take a rest or it would be nice if it were able to notice I was getting sluggish and would take over control.

    And yes I want limo tinted windows if in full auto mode, no reason for you to be able to see me imo.
     
  11. Zarathustra[H]

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    I'd like selective limo tint built into the glass. Press a button, they go dark.
     
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  12. Darunion

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    That would be pretty nice!
     
  13. travisty

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    I was not actually driving. I was not getting tired behind the wheel like one would normally while driving. I was not exhausted when i got to my destination like i would have been. I could never have imagined driving 14 hours in one day previously; with my Model 3 i was fully alert the entire time.

    Another plus at stopping for charging. I was never eating while driving. There were usually places to eat within walking distance so i just ate lunch and dinner there and not while driving. There were two stops where it was just a hotel. In those cases i just brought in my laptop and snaked on a protein bar
     
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  14. M76

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    Well if you weren't getting tired you weren't paying attention to the road. It is not the physical exertion of driving that makes you tired, it is the constant alertness.
    As I've said autopilot is not designed to pay attention for you. It is a gimmick at this stage, and a very dangerous one for this exact reason: Some people will inevitably loose concentration and don't pay attention, when they should really be paying attention to the road. Of which this thread is a clear example of. You can't give loaded guns to people and expect them to not hit anything.
    I'm all for self driving cars, but until they are fully developed and the manufacturer actually takes all the liability for the damages caused by a self driving car, it is a dangerous grey zone.

    Seriously you can't make this shit up. What the hell is stopping you from eating while stopped in any other car? Trying to spin this as a pro, ridiculous. I can easily stop to eat when driving a car that I can fill up in three minutes, and I do.
     
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    So you are completely positive that the trained law enforcement officer who was on traffic duty, Highway Patrol is the colloquial term, was endangering people's lives .... quite sure.

    But you are only "probably" sure that the Tesla was going home, as if a driver assist system, that the manufacturer insists is not an autonomous driving system, is actually capable of safely navigating all the way home. Does it open the garage and park and tuck hi in at night as well?

    The duality of your thinking is refreshing.
     
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    I think that, despite how some people are interpreting this, a car was in front slowing the Tesla while a second car was behind doing the S pattern to slow other travelers behind in order to control the entire situation just in case the car or driver did something erratic before they got him stopped.
     
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    Understand. However, in my household getting a backseat driver's license is far tougher than any state-sponsored certificate. Most can't pass the initial 120 minute silent meditation section.
     
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  20. travisty

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    Lol you're so against anything new I really should stop responding to you. It's really a waste of my time
     
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    Cops are trained to shoot to kill. Where's the Tesla's heart again?
    You're probably safer with Teslas driving themselves instead of regular drivers. Take a good ride around in rush hour traffic; plenty of asshole drivers out there that would be safer with a vehicle that manages a safe driving distance and automatic stopping when something (a motorcycle, say) is stopped in the road up ahead.
     
  22. BladeDancer314

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    When cars that drive themselves are actually a thing, will you even be able to stumble to them drunk so it can drive you home without you actually getting arrested for being drunk in a car?
     
  23. Ocellaris

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    Probably not until we get to a point where the cars are lacking standard input controls for humans.
     
  24. BladeDancer314

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    What if I get in the back seat?????
     
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    We have opened our borders to people from some cultures and countries where drunk driving is not a major taboo. Prediction this type of situation will become more common. Time to fire up those MADD school assemblies from the 90s.
     
  26. M76

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    LOL, the non-argument of people who don't know what they are talking about used in protection of everything from solar roadways to waterseer.
    I hate to break it to you, but I'm only against bullshit and pseudoscience. But sure, retire into your shell resentfully instead of addressing the things I pointed out.

    You are defending the indefensible, if you don't show the same alertness while driving with autopilot as you'd without it, then you're doing it wrong. Sorry, there is no two ways to look at that. You're literally gambling with lives at that point.
     
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    No the main problem with you is you assume you know how everything works. You refuse to try and learn new things.

    Try driving a Tesla with autopilot. You will then learn that monitoring is much easier than driving is even while being fully alert.

    But you won't. You believe in a false, static world. That's fine. Just don't come crying to me when you've been left behind.

    This is the future whether you want to know it or not
     
  28. kju1

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    As someone who HAS driven a Tesla with autopilot (on a 2,000 mile drive) and someone who regularly flies aircraft with autopilot I can assure you that if you are doing it right you are not expending LESS effort in concentration when the autopilot is engaged. Engaging the autopilot does not lower your level of concentration. Roughly the effort is the same except for relieving the physical burden of pressing on the gas or brake which is minor in comparison to the mental burden of keeping track of everything going on.

    If you reduce your focus on the road and allow yourself to be distracted while on autopilot then you are quite simply doing it wrong. Period. If the physical burden is tiring you that is a different matter entirely and probably a health issue.
     
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  29. M76

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    That's because I know how most things work. And if I don't know how something works I try to find out, instead of relying on my feelings.

    As for what causes fatigue during driving, it is biological facts that you are arguing against. It is not the effort you make physically that is exhausting, but keeping track of everything around you.
    For example driving at a higher speed is more exhaustive, much more in fact. But why, it takes no more physical effort, we can agree on that right? It is because everything happens much faster if you're driving fast, so you need even more concentration. I'm not talking 55 vs 65 mph here, that won't be readily apparent. I'm talking 120 and up, that's where things really start to get tough mentally.

    This has nothing to do with being against new things. I love the tesla autopilot, and I Think it's great in stop and go traffic so you don't have to mess with starting and stopping all the time. But if you're using it to relax while driving long distance you're doing it wrong.

    As I've said I can't wait for fully autonomous cars to hit the market and trickle down, so I don't have to waste hours every day driving up and down the highway. But the tesla is not a fully autonomus car currently. And thanks to the slightly unfortunate name, some people try to use it as such.
    And these are people who have no idea how the tech works, but see that it works in most situations then start to rely on it. You're not supposed to rely on it, you're supposed to be ready to intervene at any given moment. As that particular unfortunate incident has shown even cars that were designed to be fully autonomous can't be fully relied on yet.
     
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    The vehicle might think you are having a heart attack or seizure and call emergency services for you. LOL
     
  31. HeadRusch

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    I'm assuming the real issue wasn't stopping the car, but stopping the car safely and not killing the "asleep or dead" individual in the front seat, so while we can all entertain the technological aspects of "7 miles? Bullshit you can box in a car in 10 seconds!" or what have you, there's the other side to consider: Liability.
     
  32. iCrimson

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    I can kinda see why Elon fought back against journalists, literally ANY incident with one of his cars is published to hell