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Pretty soon all of China will be uninhabitable.
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Because unlike China most places are not willing to provide heavy subsidization for their companies. You cannot beat the Chinese in many cases because the government will flush and industry with insane support. Then they will dump product killing most competitors. So you setup shop there, then they learn everything about your company and then they build a copy and start to out compete you. When they are strong enough then they outlaw your ability to sell to their citizens and slowly kill your company. Over and over. The problem is most US companies think they are smarter and can out run it. But they aren't. once you sell out the infrastructure you cant just snap your fingers and rebuild it.
The real power of China is its single party top down government, when the guys at the top decide to do something it gets done fast period. In places like the USA and India the democracy fails to compete because everyone is constantly arguing about shit. Is this Ok for the people, is it OK for the environment, is it OK for religion? its the same reason Russia was so powerful for a while. Now its possible they will screw up but so far for the last 20 years or so the Chinese have not screwed up. Also when anything goes wrong in China, like a whole city doesn't pay its debt, the Chinese government just makes the problem go away. Because everything has to look smooth to the people and the outside world. Ironically it creates something of a decent level of security. Not like the USA where dems and republicans can sit their and push the whole country to the edge default because people are vote pandering over illegal Mexicans.
Now here is the kicker most Americans are ignorant and they think we cant do anything about China because China holds our debt. Actually that's false, the Chinese need us right now we are like Siamese twins. The problem isn't that the problem is Americans are too sissy to do anything about it. We are so scared that our economy might be bad that we will sell out the security and lives of our children we are selfish beyond belief. Right now we can demand lots of China because their government has to keep their people happy, if America cuts off trade with China, the communist regime collapses. They will do whatever we tell them to keep their power the only thing is we have to be ready and willing to go through an economic collapse which we will survive because we are more robust. The USA doesn't need to export to China to survive, China needs to export to the USA to survive. If China calls in its US debt we can simply print more money, not shit they can do about it. Our people just have to be ready and willing to sustain the inflation. We have the ability, we have the food, we have the basics we need, the Chinese don't. But wait a couple decades and the Chinese will no longer need us for exports then when they call in the debt we wont have any leverage at all and they will simply destroy us. Its a half century long chess game and we are falling into a check mate but we could stop it, unfortunately we wont because we are too lame.
Because unlike China most places are not willing to provide heavy subsidization for their companies. You cannot beat the Chinese in many cases because the government will flush and industry with insane support. Then they will dump product killing most competitors. So you setup shop there, then they learn everything about your company and then they build a copy and start to out compete you. When they are strong enough then they outlaw your ability to sell to their citizens and slowly kill your company. Over and over. The problem is most US companies think they are smarter and can out run it. But they aren't. once you sell out the infrastructure you cant just snap your fingers and rebuild it.
The real power of China is its single party top down government, when the guys at the top decide to do something it gets done fast period. In places like the USA and India the democracy fails to compete because everyone is constantly arguing about shit. Is this Ok for the people, is it OK for the environment, is it OK for religion? its the same reason Russia was so powerful for a while. Now its possible they will screw up but so far for the last 20 years or so the Chinese have not screwed up. Also when anything goes wrong in China, like a whole city doesn't pay its debt, the Chinese government just makes the problem go away. Because everything has to look smooth to the people and the outside world. Ironically it creates something of a decent level of security. Not like the USA where dems and republicans can sit their and push the whole country to the edge default because people are vote pandering over illegal Mexicans.
Now here is the kicker most Americans are ignorant and they think we cant do anything about China because China holds our debt. Actually that's false, the Chinese need us right now we are like Siamese twins. The problem isn't that the problem is Americans are too sissy to do anything about it. We are so scared that our economy might be bad that we will sell out the security and lives of our children we are selfish beyond belief. Right now we can demand lots of China because their government has to keep their people happy, if America cuts off trade with China, the communist regime collapses. They will do whatever we tell them to keep their power the only thing is we have to be ready and willing to go through an economic collapse which we will survive because we are more robust. The USA doesn't need to export to China to survive, China needs to export to the USA to survive. If China calls in its US debt we can simply print more money, not shit they can do about it. Our people just have to be ready and willing to sustain the inflation. We have the ability, we have the food, we have the basics we need, the Chinese don't. But wait a couple decades and the Chinese will no longer need us for exports then when they call in the debt we wont have any leverage at all and they will simply destroy us. Its a half century long chess game and we are falling into a check mate but we could stop it, unfortunately we wont because we are too lame.
Yup I can't stop laughing about all the companies that moved manufacturing to china, then started crying when exact clones start flooding the market with a different sticker costing 1/4 of the price. Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to send IP to a country with no IP protection laws (for outsiders at least). Serves them right, and saves me money since I can buy the same item from the same factory for far less money.
They didn't specifically mention it... but this doesn't sound like it would effect US manufacturing customers as much as posters seem to be implying.
These laws look to prevent US companies selling their goods in China.
Cisco can probably make as many routers/switches in China as they want, they just wouldn't be able to sell any there.
China is a huge market, US companies have been trying to do business there for 10 years or more. While China is know for bias to local companies, this would be worse obviously.
Because that won't completely backfire and destroy our economy.
Tell me again, who is the largest holder of US debt? China has us economically by the balls, and they know it. And quite frankly, there's nothing the USA can do about it-thanks to CEOs who sent all our manufacturing jobs there.
Pretty soon all of China will be uninhabitable.
Why? This is just wishful and foolish thinking. They leveraged their environmental quality into economic growth just like the US and UK did, albeit 100-odd years ago. Hoping they turn into a barren wasteland because they dump some industrial waste into ponds and rivers like they did here only decades ago is simple-minded.
They're not going away, and they're going to be our number-one global competitors. The difference is the PRC looks out for its own people in its own way, in a way that the US, captive to very "special" interests, doesn't do.
Who cares if its an investment to setup manufacturing elsewhere.
Its about damn time we did it. Corporations have been acting like fucking cheapskates for so long even though they have been milking almost free labour from China for decades now. Its about damn time they bucked up and started building things in their own fucking country. Create jobs, secure IP, and uhm I dunno its investing in their home country. We should not have to sell this shit to these sleezebags.
But time and time again history has proven that corporations have no allegiance to their home countries, they only stay loyal to profit no matter who it may hurt, even if its themselves.
Why? This is just wishful and foolish thinking. They leveraged their environmental quality into economic growth just like the US and UK did, albeit 100-odd years ago. Hoping they turn into a barren wasteland because they dump some industrial waste into ponds and rivers like they did here only decades ago is simple-minded.
They're not going away, and they're going to be our number-one global competitors. The difference is the PRC looks out for its own people in its own way, in a way that the US, captive to very "special" interests, doesn't do.
Have you been to china? That place is so messed up from polution it's ridiculous... One of our employees went back there to visit her family. She smokes and still said she couldn't be outside for long without breathing problems....
Because that won't completely backfire and destroy our economy.
Tell me again, who is the largest holder of US debt? China has us economically by the balls, and they know it. And quite frankly, there's nothing the USA can do about it-thanks to CEOs who sent all our manufacturing jobs there.