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Check your local Walmart…..

vegeta535 said:
Do these stores actually have GPUs for sale or were these online orders returned to a local store? I never seen a PC hardware for sale at any Walmart near me.
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With walmart it depends on the store. 2 of the 3 local walmarts in my area do not have computers or parts the 3rd does and they have a pretty solid selection you can even get halfway decent pre built "customs" normally they are fairly well spected except for like a gpu i found one that was a ryzen 5 forget the exact cput decent enough with 16gb ddrt4 ram and a gtx 1030 for the gpu lol it was sub 800 bucks when the major builders were selling the same for a grand with just igpu lol so a craptastic many generation old gpu but a gpu none the less. I actually was going to buy it and decided against it had i known a customer of mine was going to need a gpu id have snatched it up and offed the gpu for just under a 100 and slapped in my 2060 12gb card. My current system is so over the top othert than the rtx 2060 lol .

As far as the concerns about the risk of buying a open box return there is non really if the gpu is not what is advertised return it and no harm no foul there is little real risk other than a bit of wasted time or ask if you can check to make sure the gpu is in the box and it is the right gpu chances are they will allow it.

Walmart might be the store everyone hates but the truth is you can find some good deals on pc parts and because most don't think of them as having high end parts many over look them and when everyone else is sold out they may have it in stock. AMD intel nvidia always check walmart just incase.
 
CraptacularOne said:
I have no interest in spending that much for a 20-25% increase over my RTX4090, even at its nonexistent “MSRP” of $2000 it isn’t worth it. This whole generation has been a dud.
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I'm kicking myself for not buying a 4090. When they came out I didn't have much interest (had a 3090), but if I'd gotten one say summer or fall of 2023 I'd be skipping this generation too. But nah, bought a 5090.
 
zandor said:
I'm kicking myself for not buying a 4090. When they came out I didn't have much interest (had a 3090), but if I'd gotten one say summer or fall of 2023 I'd be skipping this generation too. But nah, bought a 5090.
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I think there was a reason Jensen called the RTX 4090 “one of the best investments you could have made” when on stage introducing the 5000 series cards. He knew, they all knew the 5000 series would be received like warm milk with its paltry gains over its predecessor. That’s also another reason they leaned so heavily on their AI and multi frame gen to try and pitch it as an upgrade
 
zandor said:
I'm kicking myself for not buying a 4090. When they came out I didn't have much interest (had a 3090), but if I'd gotten one say summer or fall of 2023 I'd be skipping this generation too. But nah, bought a 5090.
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I sold my RTX 4090 on ebay which basically paid for the 5090 FE, $130 upgrade.

Since the 5090's are going for over $3500 on ebay, you can sell a 4090 for $2200-$2500 easy. Sold mine in 4 minutes for $2300.

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LOCO LAPTOP said:
I sold my RTX 4090 on ebay which basically paid for the 5090 FE, $130 upgrade.

Since the 5090's are going for over $3500 on ebay, you can sell a 4090 for $2200-$2500 easy. Sold mine in 4 minutes for $2300.

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Basically what I did. Mine took 6 hours to sell, oh well, lol. Made $46 after everything cleared after ebay expenses.
 

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LOCO LAPTOP said:
I sold my RTX 4090 on ebay which basically paid for the 5090 FE, $130 upgrade.

Since the 5090's are going for over $3500 on ebay, you can sell a 4090 for $2200-$2500 easy. Sold mine in 4 minutes for $2300.
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Unfortunately I don't have a 4090, but I'm still surprised at what my 3090 is worth. Well, sort of since it actually makes sense. The only current gen gaming graphics card with more than 16GB is the 5090. That basically makes used 3090s the cheap 24GB option. They're not real attractive to gamers at $800+ when they can get a faster 9070XT or 5070Ti for around that new with a warranty or an almost as fast used 3080-something or RX 6800XT+ for a lot less $, but they're the cheap option for people who need more vram for creative or AI stuff.
 
zandor said:
Unfortunately I don't have a 4090, but I'm still surprised at what my 3090 is worth. Well, sort of since it actually makes sense. The only current gen gaming graphics card with more than 16GB is the 5090. That basically makes used 3090s the cheap 24GB option. They're not real attractive to gamers at $800+ when they can get a faster 9070XT or 5070Ti for around that new with a warranty or an almost as fast used 3080-something or RX 6800XT+ for a lot less $, but they're the cheap option for people who need more vram for creative or AI stuff.
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As someone who made his own ai there are far better options than a 3090 800+ is not cheap a 32gb instinct mi60 is 400 to 500 shipped with 32gb of hbm2 ram much faster than the gddr6 on the 3090 a 3090 will get a respectable 30 to 40tps with a 24gb on disk llm a mi60 will get 50 to 70 tps output. You can also get 2x mi50s with 16gb hbm2 vram for total of 32gb for around 130 shipped each a little less performance and you do get a performance hit for spanning cards so you will get 40 to 60 tps instead of 50 to 70.

To get to the 800 range with mix and match you would end up with a full 64gb vram with 3 cards and still have 40 left to up your cooling for the cards.
Now on the other bit for creative uses such as 3d art video editing or other vram intensive tasks where a fast gpu is needed oh hell yeh. There is not very damn much you could not do in 3dstudio max effectively and as far as blender goes well other than slower render times there is lit nothing you could not create in blender. Not to mention programs such as daz 3d. The 3090 has its uses and at 800 bucks would make a solid option for many. But ai is not 1 of them. You will see on ebay every now and then 3090s for a good bit less than 800 and from what are obviously legit sellers. Those sellers are ones who got in to ai and found out 3090s are not the best option. BTW there are nvidia alternatives to the instinct mi50 and mi60s that are a little more expensive but still come in under the 3090 for 32gb options. A edge case is a gaming rig that you also run AI on as most datacenter/AI specific cards are linux only and ither will not run at all in windows or will only do so with allot of hacking of bios and even the hardware itself. I am a amd guy myself how ever i would buy a 3090 if i found one for 400 to 600 or so for my rig. Same goes for a 3080 at less than average ebay prices. Also i might toss my instinct mi50 up on the buy trade forum for anyone wanting to get in to ai i will even include the fan and shroud i have to wait for some tech to catch up to my goals a bit go figure...
 
So the replacement card came in today and I thought I'd benchmark it against my RTX 4090. The RTX 5080 has a reputation of being a very good overclocking card and true to what I've heard it does respond to overclocking extremely well. At default the card was boosting to 2750Mhz give or take 50Mhz as it bounced around and the memory was at 28Gbps for 960GB/s bandwidth and was wholly underwhelming. However it does get interesting when you overclock it. I set a +500Mhz core and +2000Mhz memory offset with Afterburner which netted roughly a 3250Mhz core clock and a 34Gbps memory clock good for 1088GB/s bandwidth. At those settings it does indeed rival my RTX 4090 which does make it a lot more interesting.

However 2 things still to consider:
1) Why did Nvidia leave this much headroom on the table?
2) Even overclocked this high it STILL looses to a 2 1/2 year old RTX 4090 in most game and tests

Anyway here are some results to look at (note my RTX 4090 is slightly overclocked with a +100Mhz core netting roughly 2900Mhz core and a +500Mhz memory for 22Gbps memory)

Time Spy
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RTX 5080 overclocked = 30,119
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/55375330

RTX 4090 = 31458
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/51259775


Speed Way
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RTX 5080 overclocked = 10,001
https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2191508

RTX 4090 = 10,721
https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2128630


Port Royal
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RTX 5080 overclocked = 25,450
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3396308

RTX 4090 = 27206
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3368871


Steel Nomad
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RTX5080 overclocked = 9,801
https://www.3dmark.com/sn/5623506

RTX 4090 = 9,738
https://www.3dmark.com/sn/2248745
 
Did some game tests as well and as expected the RTX 5080 is "close" but not quite there. I play on a 32.9 ultrawide at 5120x1440 resolution for reference.

Cyberpunk 2077 full path tracing RT, no upscaling or frame gen (used the city area just outside a new game start)

RTX 5080 overclocked = 48fps
RTX 4090 = 55fps
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Indiana Jones full path tracing RT no upscaling or frame gen (tested in initial jungle at game start)

RTX 5080 Overclocked = 47fps
RTX 4090 = 56fps
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Alan Wake 2 full path tracing RT no upscaling or frame gen (tested in opening forested area)

RTX 5080 overclocked = 39fps
RTX 4090 = 43fps
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Black Myth Wukong full path tracing RT cinematic no upscaling (tested in chapter 1 Black Wind Mountain)

RTX 5080 Overclocked = 29fps
RTX 4090 = 34fps
 
Yes, the DF review did say that the overclock to hit 4090 speeds was bullshit. It comes close but when you turn on RT and game at or around 4K it is still a bit behind and what I would reckon noticeably behind.
But if you can get it for a 1000-1200 bucks then it is a deal. Given 4090s are sold at 2000$ these days, getting a card like you for 850 or whatever you paid is an amazing deal and a total slap to any other card around it.
 
My local walmart that has PC hardware still has empty shelves and 40 series price stickers from handful the 4060 Ti 8 GB they had a couple months ago.
 
Yeah when you crank the RT effects is where it really shows just how far behind the 5080 still is. There just isn’t much you can do to overcome the deficit of RT cores between the cards. The 4090 has 128 RT cores vs only 84 on the 5080. In raster games and tests it does get surprisingly close to the 4090 like in Time Spy or even Steel Nomad test it actually comes out higher but I suspect that’s a driver issue with the 4090 rather than the 5080 being faster.

I agree for the price I paid it’s not bad which was $920 and change after tax.

It’s a decent uptick over the card it’s replacing in my VR rig what was a RTX 4070 Ti so for the price it was acceptable. It is noticeably faster than that card was. I am however just keeping my 4090 in my main rig for another generation.
 
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I ordered a 4070 Super at MSRP after my wife gave me her computer (it had a 1070 in it) at Walmart only for them to turn around and cancel the order claiming it was out of stock. My local Walmart had a 4070 Super open box at around 450 USD and it's working just fine so I'm a pretty happy camper. Should I need a card in the future I'll check local first.
 
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