pendragon1
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If we can't trust CDPR's statements, who can we trust?!You're ignoring the statement from CDPR about compensating them, so you know maybe read what your talking about first?
Yes, any acknowledgement of wrongdoing is carrying a chip. It's not like there's actually something there.Certainly not you, I can see that chip on your shoulder from the ISS.
Yes, any acknowledgement of wrongdoing is carrying a chip. It's not like there's actually something there.
Not once have I said that the game would suck or be great. It is your blind fanboyism that projects criticism of the developer onto the game, because you are unable to separate the two. Hence the EA/Ubisoft comparison.lol, you've been flogging this horse for a while. I doubt you are prepared to eat crow when the game launches and is a genre defining experience.
You haven't proven anything is there, at all, in any way.
First, damn you for making me suffer through that drawn out life sucking grifter.
"The workers voluntarily voted for it" LMAO! That is...special.
It is what it is, not the worst thing in the world, but it's bad and especially in CDPR context. 2/3rds of apologists come from people masturbating to CDPR's games. If it were EA or Ubisoft, most of them would be singing a different tune.
It's not because people are shocked crunch exists, it's laughing at a company that went out of its way to vow not to do it.Probably, because if this were EA or Ubisoft or any of the other big name developer the overtime would be unpaid and more a rule than an exception, it is pure exploitation. In this case it is a few more extra days of bug fixing and the workers get a very hefty overtime compensation. I really cannot be pissed of about this and am frankly stunned how unrealistic expectations some people have about the realities of working times. And this is coming from a POV of an european worker who believes in Unions and so on.
It's not because people are shocked crunch exists, it's laughing at a company that went out of its way to vow not to do it.
https://kotaku.com/as-cyberpunk-2077-development-intensifies-cd-projekt-r-1834849725Did they actually vow not to do it again, as in no crunch what so ever cross my heart and hope to die and that sort of thing, or did they just vow to do better and avoid the situations that happened with Witcher 3 where the crunch was simply inhumane? Actually this is a real question because I do not remember how they exactly worded their promise. Anyway if it were former then yes they screwed up. If it was latter then I would say you are simply being unreasonable considering what is happening in the world, Covid etc... Things do not always go as planned in life.
I guess your not aware that mentally stressful work has basically the same negative health effects as physically stressful work.My 6-7 day workweek. And I love it.
Buncha whiny little girls. I have zero sympathy for grown people to complain about a cozy chair, air conditioning, and going home every night. They all went into the industry knowing what would be required of them. Suck it up, take your nice paycheck, and go on a nice vacation when the crunch is over.
https://kotaku.com/as-cyberpunk-2077-development-intensifies-cd-projekt-r-1834849725
"One of the ways the company plans to do that, Iwiński said, is through a “non-obligatory crunch policy” that isn’t brand new but that the Warsaw-based CD Projekt Red plans to push harder. He wants to make it clear to Cyberpunk 2077’s developers that even when the studio asks them to work on nights and weekends, it’s not “mandatory.”"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lisher-orders-6-day-weeks-ahead-of-game-debut
"Polish video game developer CD Projekt Red told employees on Monday that six-day work weeks will be mandatory leading up to the November release of the highly anticipated Cyberpunk 2077, reneging on an earlier promise to not force overtime on the project."
If you watched the video you saw that another reporter talked to CDPR employees and they stated that a vote was taken to vote whether to delay the game again or to work overtime and work overtime won. If true the overtime was NOT mandatory and no promise of “non-obligatory crunch policy” was broken.https://kotaku.com/as-cyberpunk-2077-development-intensifies-cd-projekt-r-1834849725
"One of the ways the company plans to do that, Iwiński said, is through a “non-obligatory crunch policy” that isn’t brand new but that the Warsaw-based CD Projekt Red plans to push harder. He wants to make it clear to Cyberpunk 2077’s developers that even when the studio asks them to work on nights and weekends, it’s not “mandatory.”"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lisher-orders-6-day-weeks-ahead-of-game-debut
"Polish video game developer CD Projekt Red told employees on Monday that six-day work weeks will be mandatory leading up to the November release of the highly anticipated Cyberpunk 2077, reneging on an earlier promise to not force overtime on the project."
Not impossible, but that story sounds implausible by itself, and I'll sooner trust Jason Schreier on topics like these since he is the industry leader with an unmatched record when it comes to inside scoops.If you watched the video you saw that another reporter talked to CDPR employees and they stated that a vote was taken to vote whether to delay the game again or to work overtime and work overtime won. If true the overtime was NOT mandatory and no promise of “non-obligatory crunch policy” was broken.
Why does it sound implausible?Not impossible, but that story sounds implausible by itself, and I'll sooner trust Jason Schreier on topics like these since he is the industry leader with an unmatched record when it comes to inside scoops.
goes against what they want to believe.Why does it sound implausible?
To me the story seems very plausible. We should have a vote here :goes against what they want to believe.
the writer has put out a few good thing but hes been on a crusade against "the evil crunch" for years now.
The idea of management asking developer grunts about a crucial and company wide influencing decision on their largest project to date? And that management being one of the better known ones as going hard on their developers. Really?!Why does it sound implausible?
Do cite all the times he has been wrong reporting on his "crusade".goes against what they want to believe.
the writer has put out a few good thing but hes been on a crusade against "the evil crunch" for years now.
right now.Do cite all the times he has been wrong reporting on his "crusade".
The idea of management asking developer grunts about a crucial and company wide influencing decision on their largest project to date?
Why not? That is what unions do before a strike on multi billion dollar projects. I know that the vote would have to be iniated by management and not workers, but the idea that huge projects are not voted on is not true.The fate of a multi million dollar project was left up to a vote haha good one
Look, there are a lot of people around who if they get to work an extra six days over a six week period while making quite a bit more money due to overtime pay would jump on it in a heartbeat. I don't understand the hate and vitriol some are spewing about it. If they were forcing them to work seven days a week and twelve or more hours per day without additional compensation I could understand the outrage but six extra days is nothing.
I helped open up a restaurant last year and I was pulling 6+ day, 60+ hour weeks to do it for a full month. I was also living in a hotel room in a different state. I made enough extra money that I took a 3 week vacation as soon as my time was done and also made enough that we could afford a down payment on the house we now own.Look, there are a lot of people around who if they get to work an extra six days over a six week period while making quite a bit more money due to overtime pay would jump on it in a heartbeat. I don't understand the hate and vitriol some are spewing about it. If they were forcing them to work seven days a week and twelve or more hours per day without additional compensation I could understand the outrage but six extra days is nothing.
That is exactly why he is not to be trusted. He was on a crusade against crunch for years if it turns out to be no big deal he looks like a fool, so of course he has a vested interest in proving crunch the evil of all evils now.Not impossible, but that story sounds implausible by itself, and I'll sooner trust Jason Schreier on topics like these since he is the industry leader with an unmatched record when it comes to inside scoops.
He has been misleading all along, presenting it as if "crunch" was exclusive to the gaming industry. When it is not. I'm working on a completely different field and when approaching deadlines crunch sometimes has to happen. We might not like it, but most of us pull together and just do it. It's voluntary and about 6 out of 10 people will be there even on Sundays. This whole crunch thing is blown out of proportion by Scrhier because he has a few snowflake contacts who don't want to look bad in front of colleagues when they don't work OT, so they'd rather prevent everyone from doing it.Do cite all the times he has been wrong reporting on his "crusade".
He has been misleading all along, presenting it as if "crunch" was exclusive to the gaming industry. When it is not. I'm working on a completely different field and when approaching deadlines crunch sometimes has to happen. We might not like it, but most of us pull together and just do it. It's voluntary and about 6 out of 10 people will be there even on Sundays. This whole crunch thing is blown out of proportion by Scrhier because he has a few snowflake contacts who don't want to look bad in front of colleagues when they don't work OT, so they'd rather prevent everyone from doing it.
I'm not judging them by his standards, I'm judging them by theirs. And it's funny.He has been misleading all along, presenting it as if "crunch" was exclusive to the gaming industry. When it is not. I'm working on a completely different field and when approaching deadlines crunch sometimes has to happen. We might not like it, but most of us pull together and just do it. It's voluntary and about 6 out of 10 people will be there even on Sundays. This whole crunch thing is blown out of proportion by Scrhier because he has a few snowflake contacts who don't want to look bad in front of colleagues when they don't work OT, so they'd rather prevent everyone from doing it.
I'm not judging them by his standards, I'm judging them by theirs. And it's funny.
Ok seriously who the fuck cares? Why is this such a huge deal suddenly and is CDPR the one being attack over it? Companies like EA and Activision treat their employees a thousand times worse and barely hear a peep about it. GTFO you soap box and move the fuck on. Go enjoy the game next month. If you seriously have a issue with their labor practices then don't fucking buy it then.