CBS Makes Star Trek: Picard Pilot Free On YouTube 'For a Limited Time'

[Zarathustra[H]]

EDIT: I watched the free episode posted and in the second scene there is racist, sexist pro-genocidal fascist propaganda. High-production values can't save any show no matter how flashy it is when it literally is advertising the genocide of the people watching it.

What on Earth were you watching?

Because there certainly has been nothing of the sort in any Trek I have ever seen, and I have seen just about all of it, except the original 60's TOS shows which I just couldn't force myself to sit through.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Whatever wokeness Discovery may have had aside, 3 episodes in and I absolute could not suspend my disbelief that a mutinous traitor is suddenly back in uniform, (it did not help that that actor was essentially a piece of wood or a boat anchor depending on your point of view), nor can I forgive what they did to the Klingons.
I am surprised it made it 2 seasons, but if it is going to get a third, apparently someone likes it. They are welcome to it.

First episode of Picard, seemed to lack any real sense of wokeness. I think they may have tried to portray isolationist thinking as being stupid and wrong, but they made no overt attempts to link that to any current political regimes.

Discovery has some awful writing, and what they did to the Klingons was damn near unforgivable, but I still find myself watching it, maybe just because I've been missing having any Trek to watch for so long.

I patently reject any claims of wokeness or political agenda though.

I just think some people have isolated thelseves so much from the realities of real life today that any depiction of real life type scenarios whether or not ona spaceship are giving them the false perception that it is some sort of agenda driven show when it is just depicting normal life...

...on a spaceship.

 

[5150Joker]

It is actually being woke what is a very narrow and uninformed world view, which everything seems to adhere to in entertainment media these days.
And since it's a narrow world view, not many people are interested in entertainment soaked with it.
They do what they want, but trying to blame the people for not watching it and liking it is the height of entitlement.

It's that simple.

Ok I'll bite, explain to me which part exactly is woke in STP? Or for that matter why "woke" is a bad thing?

Discovery has some awful writing, and what they did to the Klingons was damn near unforgivable, but I still find myself watching it, maybe just because I've been missing having any Trek to watch for so long.

I patently reject any claims of wokeness or political agenda though.

I just think some people have isolated thelseves so much from the realities of real life today that any depiction of real life type scenarios whether or not ona spaceship are giving them the false perception that it is some sort of agenda driven show when it is just depicting normal life...

...on a spaceship.

I think these guys are looking for an excuse to hate on shit for no reason.

 

[Deleted member 204526]

Have you ever watched a single episode of Star Trek? Trek has ALWAYS been heavily political and heavy left.

Did previous iterations of Star Trek ever have the stars and showrunners straight up say at the time of its production that the show was a direct response to Reagan or Thatcher or Clinton or a specific political situation?

 

[SmokeRngs]

CBS-AA had a free 1 month promo last week, so I signed up (it's actually 2 months free because I hear they give you an additional free month once you cancel)...I actually started watching Discovery first...finished S1 which was decent, not great...hopefully S2 is an improvement

I grabbed the DVDs of STD season 1 from the library and watched it a while back. It really wasn't very good. Suspension of disbelief was simply not possible since it went too far, especially with them pulling back in a so-called officer who had mutinied against the captain and crew. It doesn't help that she's just a horrible character all around and they made her the main character.

The second season of STD just came out at the local library and I've started watching it. I've seen the first episode and recognize exactly what Dan_D was talking about regarding the stupid glass bubble "ships". Those things were absolutely horrible. And of course one crewman died because he was pulling a Michael Burnham but since he wasn't her and he didn't do what she said it didn't work out. At least I can understand why so many people were talking up Pike from season two. He's by far the best character in the show so far. Then again, the best character in the first season turned out to be a bad guy.

It's a pity they didn't make a series based on Pike considering what I've seen so far. He's actually quite likable and personable. He also makes mistakes and owns up to them without having to be perfect all the time.

I'm glad I haven't paid to see STD. So far it's definitely not worth the money and I doubt it ever will be.

 

[M76]

Ok I'll bite, explain to me which part exactly is woke in STP? Or for that matter why "woke" is a bad thing?

Being woke is a world view that is incompatible with reality and fairness. If you honestly don't know why is it bad ask in genmay/soapbox and I explain it to you there. But if you're trolling then I'm not interested.
STP's first episode was not overly woke, (but it still had very weak writing) I was generally speaking about the state of affairs in entertainment media.
But it still had some political messages. Don't tell me that the whole romulan migrant crisis is not based on the migrant crysis in europe in the slightest.
And representing romulans as indepted servants in Picard's house was the lowest point of the show. It is clearly incompatible with Rodenberry's vision of this fictional universe, and the Jean-Luc Picard I knew and came to love in TNG, would never stand for this, let alone benefit from it.

I think these guys are looking for an excuse to hate on shit for no reason.

Just because my reasons are beyond your frame of reference doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[GhostCow]

Ok I'll bite, explain to me which part exactly is woke in STP? Or for that matter why "woke" is a bad thing?



I think these guys are looking for an excuse to hate on shit for no reason.

I'll answer the second half of this. Woke is a bad thing because it's preachy social engineering and it's in EVERYTHING. I'm tired of being preached to and I'm tired of entertainment being used to try to program people to a certain worldview. It's not natural and there's no diversity in entertainment anymore if there ever was any. Look at the newest Wolfeinstein for an example of it being really blatant and obvious. Where's the counter to that? I don't see any television shows or video games that glorify the Nazis or even try to depict them as human. There really is no diversity in entertainment right now. It all comes from one tiny far left part of the political spectrum that wants to shift the overton window as far left as possible.

Edit: and aside from all that wokeness generally comes from a place of misandry and hatred for white people

 

[erek]

I really like the first episode~! AMSR even!

 

[Krazy925]

Well Star Trek has always been campy trash sooooooo hopefully that makes the woke and asleep crowd happy.

The opposite of woke is asleep right?

 

[GhostCow]

Well Star Trek has always been campy trash sooooooo hopefully that makes the woke and asleep crowd happy.

The opposite of woke is asleep right?

Nope, they're the same thing. The people with power always name things to be the opposite of what they are. Patriot act is another example.

On topic: I just watched Dave Cullen's review of the second episode of Picard and whew lads is he pissed. If you guys don't see how 21st century politics are effecting the show I think you've become so used to propaganda in your entertainment that you can't even see it anymore. Even aside from that this show just sounds bad. The political stuff is only a small part of his complaints.

 

[Vega]

I just watched the first episode on Youtube. I thought it was pretty good. As for the SJW stuff, it's getting pretty mainstream. Any modern or futuristic couple on TV now is 90% of the time a white woman with a black man. Just as in the opening of Picard. It's not a racist thing, it's just how laughably obvious their agenda is.

 

[NeoNemesis]

Nope, they're the same thing. The people with power always name things to be the opposite of what they are. Patriot act is another example.

On topic: I just watched Dave Cullen's review of the second episode of Picard and whew lads is he pissed. If you guys don't see how 21st century politics are effecting the show I think you've become so used to propaganda in your entertainment that you can't even see it anymore. Even aside from that this show just sounds bad. The political stuff is only a small part of his complaints.

Oh no! Someone on the internet is upset!

Pretty sure there is no law forcing anyone to watch this show.

I wonder when the paradigm shift happened where the alt right became MORE sensitive than the SJWs.

Also, I wonder how the internet would have reacted to the TOS episode where Kirk kisses Uhura If it had existed back then? I’m guessing the moral outrage would probably be about the same.

 

[Derangel]

Nope, they're the same thing. The people with power always name things to be the opposite of what they are. Patriot act is another example.

On topic: I just watched Dave Cullen's review of the second episode of Picard and whew lads is he pissed. If you guys don't see how 21st century politics are effecting the show I think you've become so used to propaganda in your entertainment that you can't even see it anymore. Even aside from that this show just sounds bad. The political stuff is only a small part of his complaints.

No thanks. I'll make up my own mind on the episodes and not let some angry dude on the internet dictate my opinions for me. If people want to see politics in every fucking thing ever that's on them, but I refuse to go along with that utter stupidity.

 

[GhostCow]

Oh no! Someone on the internet is upset!

Pretty sure there is no law forcing anyone to watch this show.

I wonder when the paradigm shift happened where the alt right became MORE sensitive than the SJWs.

Also, I wonder how the internet would have reacted to the TOS episode where Kirk kisses Uhura If it had existed back then? I’m guessing the moral outrage would probably be about the same.

It would have been a far bigger outrage than you could even imagine I would guess. The alt-right has always been against degeneracy from the start. It's not that they are more sensitive. It's that there's more and more of it to point out every day. The decline of society is accelerating and the alt-right is the canary in the coal mine.

No thanks. I'll make up my own mind on the episodes and not let some angry dude on the internet dictate my opinions for me. If people want to see politics in every fucking thing ever that's on them, but I refuse to go along with that utter stupidity.

There's a difference between letting someone else dictate your opinions and refusing to hear the opinions of others to learn about different viewpoints.

 

[Derangel]

There's a difference between letting someone else dictate your opinions and refusing to hear the opinions of others to learn about different viewpoints.

There's a million angry Youtuber drama channels out there that all regurgitating the exact same shit ad nuaseam. If you're heard one of them you've heard them all. I'm not refusing to hear other opinions, I'm disregarding morons that want to see politics in everything and twist it to their own views in order to get clicks. Fuck 'em. I have better things to do with my time.

 

[GhostCow]

There's a million angry Youtuber drama channels out there that all regurgitating the exact same shit ad nuaseam. If you're heard one of them you've heard them all. I'm not refusing to hear other opinions, I'm disregarding morons that want to see politics in everything and twist it to their own views in order to get clicks. Fuck 'em. I have better things to do with my time.

Hey if you've watched any of them I'll give you points for that. I don't think there are as many as you make it sound like though. Dave Cullen is the only right wing Star Trek nerd on youtube that I know of and he's not even very far right.

 

[Susquehannock]

I too watched the free premiere on YT. Agenda agenda blah blah blah. While it's true TOS did touch upon controversial topics, they were generally presented in a neutral way leaving the audience to decide. Fact that they touched upon them at all in that era is what was groundbreaking. And we have to remember that TOS originally aired in more adult time slots after 8-pm. Even later during the final season if memory serves.

There were parts of Picard that I liked, and parts that felt like bad writing and plots hacked together. Seems pretty obvious, to me anyway, that CBS/Warner is trying to morph Trek toward a SW/Marvel style show. Only time will tell if they can interest those fans enough while still retaining older fans of the Utopian Trek simultaneously.

 

[Derangel]

I too watched the free premiere on YT. Agenda agenda blah blah blah. While it's true TOS did touch upon controversial topics, they were generally presented in a neutral way leaving the audience to decide. Fact that they touched upon them at all in that era is what was groundbreaking. And we have to remember that TOS originally aired in more adult time slots after 8-pm. Even later during the final season if memory serves.

There were parts of Picard that I liked, and parts that seemed like bad writing and plots hacked together. Seems pretty obvious, to me anyway, that CBS/Warner is trying to morph Trek toward a SW/Marvel style show. Only time will tell if they can interest those fans enough while still retaining older fans of the Utopian Trek at the same time.

TOS was never neutral, ever. It was 100% preachy and moralized. You should really re-watch TOS, it moralized as much as Adam West's Batman. There was no attempt to "let the audience decide". Roddenberry was all about getting his message across.

 

[Susquehannock]

TOS was never neutral, ever. It was 100% preachy and moralized. You should really re-watch TOS, it moralized as much as Adam West's Batman. There was no attempt to "let the audience decide". Roddenberry was all about getting his message across.

You assume that I haven't recently. We all create the window with which we perceptive the world. To each their own.

 

[Derangel]

You assume that I haven't recently. We all create the window with which we perceptive the world. To each their own.

I've watched it recently as well. Some of it is just 60s cheese, but the series does heavily moralize. The series is also all about Roddenberry's beliefs, politics, ideology, and so on. It's not a bad thing, but it is what it is. There is nothing subtle about TOS.

 

[DukenukemX]

Isn't that awfully nice of them. Slightly less of a reason to torrent them I guess?

 

[Susquehannock]

Roddenberry's ideologies. True. Watching the nazi planet ep had me wondering if STD will have one as VOY did. Doubtful.

 

[Dead Parrot]

Watched it Saturday when the table top game didn't make due to several players not showing due to illness and parental summons. For an Episode 1, was pretty good. The game host went ahead and did the sign up prevue and we also watched Ep 2. Not sure what to think about the double whammy of the android revolution + Romulan collapse threat to the Federation plot device.

Didn't see anything more 'woke' about Picard then existed in any of the Star Trek series or movies (excluding Discovery since haven't seen any of it). Face it, a Black Female bridge officer + a Russian on a quasi military ship was about as progressive as you could get in the mid 60's and still make it to air.

 

[M76]

Oh no! Someone on the internet is upset!

Pretty sure there is no law forcing anyone to watch this show.

I wonder when the paradigm shift happened where the alt right became MORE sensitive than the SJWs.

If I didn't watch it you'd say you can't criticize it without watching it. If I watch it then criticize it then you call me a snowflake or sensitive! So what do you really want?

Also, I wonder how the internet would have reacted to the TOS episode where Kirk kisses Uhura If it had existed back then? I’m guessing the moral outrage would probably be about the same.

I don't know how is that related to anything in Picard, I really don't know, care to elaborate?
I find it curious that the so called woke are always first to point out what the so called right should be offended by, even before anyone speaks out. Perhaps they are projecting their own bigotry?

 

[M76]

Didn't see anything more 'woke' about Picard then existed in any of the Star Trek series or movies (excluding Discovery since haven't seen any of it). Face it, a Black Female bridge officer + a Russian on a quasi military ship was about as progressive as you could get in the mid 60's and still make it to air.

Because there was nothing woke in the first episode. But that doesn't mean it was good. I'm tired of regurgitating the resons why it sucked, if you want you can find them in the picard topic in the entertainment media section.

 

[idiomatic]

Star Trek used to be an extremely Liberal show where the needs of the few or the one outweighed the needs of the many. Woke shows are progressive, not liberal. Human rights are not a thing, only inverting power structures for the hell of it. People like Pol Pot end up being the good guys.

Star Trek has a hard time being woke because being liberal it so core to its DNA. Trying to make it woke makes it incoherent.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Star Trek used to be an extremely Liberal show where the needs of the few or the one outweighed the needs of the many. Woke shows are progressive, not liberal. Human rights are not a thing, only inverting power structures for the hell of it. People like Pol Pot end up being the good guys.

Star Trek has a hard time being woke because being liberal it so core to its DNA. Trying to make it woke makes it incoherent.

I feel like your analysis of what being woke is, is wildly inaccurate.

In the grand scheme of things those who are in to "wokeness" tend to have the same agendas as those into liberalism. They are just too surrounded by their echo-chambers and shut out anyone who disagrees, so they tend to take it a little too far on occasion.

 

[5150Joker]

Edit: and aside from all that wokeness generally comes from a place of misandry and hatred for white people
...
Where's the counter to that? I don't see any television shows or video games that glorify the Nazis

Ah yes the poor Nazis, why aren't these genocidal racist assholes glorified? And yeah I understand, white people are so underrepresented and persecuted it's really unfair. I figured it wouldn't take much for your thinly veiled racism to surface, I'm glad you proved my instincts right.

 

[GhostCow]

Ah yes the poor Nazis, why aren't these genocidal racist assholes glorified? And yeah I understand, white people are so underrepresented and persecuted it's really unfair. I figured it wouldn't take much for your thinly veiled racism to surface, I'm glad you proved my instincts right.

Knew this was coming. Way too predictable. Not even going to both to debate it with you. It was just the most obvious example I could use - no I'm not a national socialist

 

[5150Joker]

Knew this was coming. Way too predictable. Not even going to both to debate it with you. It was just the most obvious example I could use - no I'm not a national socialist

Yeah whatever guy, welcome to my ignore list.

 

[GhostCow]

Yeah whatever guy, welcome to my ignore list.

Only weak men use the ignore feature. Only the weakest feel the need to annouce it

 

[gtrguy]

Watched both episodes, not bad, I’m looking forward to the next one. Just typical fluffy entertainment as far as I’m concerned- I don’t see all this other bs you guys are arguing about.

 

[pendragon1]

I feel like your analysis of what being woke is, is wildly inaccurate.

In the grand scheme of things those who are in to "wokeness" tend to have the same agendas as those into liberalism. They are just too surrounded by their echo-chambers and shut out anyone who disagrees, so they tend to take it a little too far on occasion.

woke is seeing everything through a racial or sexual lens and making sure everybody knows it, its pushed into everything in the world and if anyone disagree they are racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted nazi etc etc and must be silenced/destroyed. thats woke.

 

[Derangel]

woke is seeing everything through a racial or sexual lens and making sure everybody knows it, its pushed into everything in the world and if anyone disagree they are racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted nazi etc etc and must be silenced/destroyed. thats woke.

One could argue that it isn't solely the "woke" people who do that.

 

[GhostCow]

One could argue that it isn't solely the "woke" people who do that.

It's starting to catch on with other groups because SJWs have been so successful at social engineering that people are starting to realize that the most intolerant group wins. Family oriented conservative people have been losing the culture war for decades because they try to play fair. The only way to win is to be intolerant and impose costs on people who stray from what is best for society. Realizing this is what made me leave libertarianism

 

[Derangel]

It's starting to catch on with other groups because SJWs have been so successful at social engineering that people are starting to realize that the most intolerant group wins. Family oriented conservative people have been losing the culture war for decades because they try to play fair. The only way to win is to be intolerant and impose costs on people who stray from what is best for society. Realizing this is what made me leave libertarianism

Oh please. Don't give me that bullshit. The poor "oppressed" straight white Christians. Oh no whatever will they do when they're forced to treat others like actual human beings. The far-left and far-right are both fucking idiots ruining the country. And the so-called "family oriented" dipshits have been doing nothing but opressing minorities for decades and crying when someone besides them gets rights.

 

[GhostCow]

Oh please. Don't give me that bullshit. The poor "oppressed" straight white Christians. Oh no whatever will they do when they're forced to treat others like actual human beings. The far-left and far-right are both fucking idiots ruining the country. And the so-called "family oriented" dipshits have been doing nothing but opressing minorities for decades and crying when someone besides them gets rights.

I'm all about giving equal treatment but when it gets to the point that the BBC bans all white casts from period pieces and registered sex offenders who look like this are holding drag queen story hour at the local library to indoctrinate children things have gone too far.

You have to draw the line somewhere and my line was crossed a long time ago.

 

[DukenukemX]

Star Trek used to be an extremely Liberal show where the needs of the few or the one outweighed the needs of the many. Woke shows are progressive, not liberal. Human rights are not a thing, only inverting power structures for the hell of it. People like Pol Pot end up being the good guys.

Star Trek has a hard time being woke because being liberal it so core to its DNA. Trying to make it woke makes it incoherent.

The problem with SJW'ing is that it's usually in your face about it. Nobody cared that Captain Janeway of Voyager was a woman. Nobody cared that Sisko was a Captain or a Commander. Especially when we got Seven of Nine later on in Voyager, if you know what I mean. But the shows were well written and didn't put it upfront that these people weren't white men. The show assumed this was the norm and so did the audience. Modern SJW'ing will not only make this into an issue but remind you and proclaim superiority. If the show wasn't well written and the audience hated it then the audience is racist and a misogynist. Lets be honest here, they haven't made a good Star Trek since Voyager and Deep Space Nine. They can't seem to find writers as competant as Roddenberry was with his writers.

It's starting to catch on with other groups because SJWs have been so successful at social engineering that people are starting to realize that the most intolerant group wins. Family oriented conservative people have been losing the culture war for decades because they try to play fair. The only way to win is to be intolerant and impose costs on people who stray from what is best for society. Realizing this is what made me leave libertarianism

SJWs are responsible for the phrase "get woke go broke" for a reason. So much media has fallen apart because of them. Do I need to remind you of Ghostbusters 2016 and BatWoman? Anything they touch usually dies a horrible financial death.

 

[Dayaks]

Wow, has this thread become a dumpster fire.

Btw watch “Children of Mars” in Short Treks on CBS all access before watching Picard.

 

[Derangel]

I'm all about giving equal treatment but when it gets to the point that the BBC bans all white casts from period pieces and registered sex offenders who look like this are holding drag queen story hour at the local library to indoctrinate children things have gone too far.
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You have to draw the line somewhere and my line was crossed a long time ago.

Which period piece was it? I recall some controversy about something like that a while ago, but couldn't remember exactly what it was about.

The problem with SJW'ing is that it's usually in your face about it. Nobody cared that Captain Janeway of Voyager was a woman. Nobody cared that Sisko was a Captain or a Commander. Especially when we got Seven of Nine later on in Voyager, if you know what I mean. But the shows were well written and didn't put it upfront that these people weren't white men. The show assumed this was the norm and so did the audience. Modern SJW'ing will not only make this into an issue but remind you and proclaim superiority. If the show wasn't well written and the audience hated it then the audience is racist and a misogynist. Lets be honest here, they haven't made a good Star Trek since Voyager and Deep Space Nine. They can't seem to find writers as competant as Roddenberry was with his writers.


SJWs are responsible for the phrase "get woke go broke" for a reason. So much media has fallen apart because of them. Do I need to remind you of Ghostbusters 2016 and BatWoman? Anything they touch usually dies a horrible financial death.

Voyager was good? Since when?

Janeway and Sisco were big deals that were talked about back then. However, social media didn't exist so there were no online mobs of people being morons about things. If you think people didn't care about non-white male leads before "teh SJWs" your knowledge of recent history has some serious gaps. You're not wrong about modern writing. STD's politics could work fine, under a good creative team. There really isn't anything overly "woke" or "SJW" about STD. It's just a bad show with a terrible main character and lifeless supporting cast (Michelle Yeoh aside). A character being a Mary Sue isn't really SJW on it's own (see: Wesley Crusher), it's just a sign of a creative team that has no clue how to write a strong female character. I don't think the problem is "SJWs" or "wokeness" as much as everyone chasing the Marvel pie. As much as I enjoy the Marvel movies, they're not subtle and they're not exactly challenging the audiences' intelligence, yet they make so much money that everyone wants on board. So, they're following the same trend and trying to go with what they think makes the most money. Hollywood execs really don't care about politics, they care about money. They think appealing to the stereotypical millennial means they will get all the money, so they do it. Yet they simply don't seem to get that wrecking long beloved franchises is not exactly going to do it.

If anything, the terrible "SJW" marketing probably helped Ghostbusters 2016, if only a little. Given how boring and bad the trailers were the movie probably would have been utterly forgotton if not for Sony manipulating the easily manipulated fools on both sides. Heck, the only reason I watched it was to see if it really was as bad as people were saying (it wasn't, though it was still pretty bad). Given how bad Supergirl has been and that keeps getting rewewed, I think there's a high chance of the phrase not applying to Batwoman. The show seems to have an audience and with Arrow gone and Supernatural ending, CW doesn't have any real big hitters left.