California City Blocks 5G Over Cancer Concerns

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  1. AlphaAtlas

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    Mill Valley, California, joined a growing national effort to block 5G deployment. Citizens of the Bay Area town are concerned that new 5G towers could exacerbate health problems tied to RF radiation emitted from existing cell towers. Responding to the concerns, the City Council enacted an "urgency ordinance" forbidding the deployment of new 5G towers near residential areas. In spite of Federal efforts[/URL] to accelerate 5G deployment, Mill Valley isn't the first town to push against new wireless standards, and it probably won't be the last.

    "What 5G does is it adds another cloud to what we refer to as 'electromagnetic smog' into an environment that is already pretty saturated," said Fairfax resident and activist Valeri Hood. "In Fairfax, what we're doing is asking our council to step up in the way councils have in the past, and just say no to 5G."
     
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    Did they pass this ordinance while drinking their coffee with the cancer warning on it?
     
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    Good old CA, "EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER!!!", "Banz itz NOUW!"
     
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    Looks like you forgot a link :D

    Anyone have specific knowledge of the energy density and wavelengths they are using with 5G?

    Warning: This post contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive [H]arm.
     
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    The state has gone full retard over every conceivable SJW issue you can think of.
     
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    They'll be voting on this right after they vote on officially confirming vaccinations cause Autism.
     
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    Going into Home Depot on Saturday there was a new HUGE sign (over 3 ft square) that read "those entering this facility will be exposed to wood dust. Wood dust is known to the State of California to cause Cancer".

    This state has gone completely off the rails.
     
  8. scojer

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    Don't they know they live in a sunny state, and that the sun causes cancer?

    Also, imagine sitting through that hearing for FOUR hours about how 5g can cause cancer.

    What proof does California have that all the things they warn about cause cancer?
     
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    The same proof that requires the banning if plastic straws. Some 8-year old probably made it up.
     
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  10. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

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    Maybe they need to tighten their tin foil hats to keep the wireless radiation out...
     
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    Yeah, pretty much.

    To everyone else: Mill Valley and Marin County is basically a suburb of San Francisco across the Golden Gate Bridge. Much of it is very wealthy and full of people who basically have the privilege to be dumbasses. Please don't lump the rest of California--hell, don't lump San Francisco--in with these people.
     
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    lol - I bet the same people have nothing but contempt for "climate deniers" too. What a country.
     
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    While they're at it, they should also vote on changing their suburb name from Mill Valley to Blue Pill Valley.
     
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    I think you wrong on one part......its not what you can think of but those that are not even issues, they actually turn them into issues.
    SWJ movement is about being outraged just to be outraged with no direction.
    Hell, they get outraged because you aren't outraged.
     
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    The quote from the OP "What 5G does is it adds another cloud to what we refer to as 'electromagnetic smog' into an environment that is already pretty saturated," said Fairfax resident and activist Valeri Hood. "In Fairfax, what we're doing is asking our council to step up in the way councils have in the past, and just say no to 5G." reminds me of something...

    The Doctor: "This whole world is swimming in Wi-Fi. We're living in a Wi-Fi soup! Suppose something got inside it. Suppose there was something living in the Wi-Fi, harvesting human minds, extracting them. Imagine that. Human souls trapped like flies in the World Wide Web, stuck for ever, crying out for help." - From Doctor Who Series 7 Episode 7.
     
  16. Bowman15

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    I up vote you for being more spot on...
     
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  17. Interesting, who knew 5G was strong enough to remove electrons from atoms.

    Whats funny is they talk about the amount of "electromagnetic smog", which shows they don't understand that how much doesn't matter if what is there is non-ionizing.
     
  18. GNUse_the_force

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    Actually that increases wireless signals. There was a study that proved as much.
     
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    does electromagnetic waves screw animals up ? sure ( ie research effects of military radar and telecoms on animals)

    does commercial electromagnetic waves screw animals up too ? i have no freakin idea now. Tech has went leaps and bounds since the first wireless handphone. There's nothing that clearly says yes but Anecdoctal evidence of those living near cell towers and transmission lines exist.

    (animals, by proxy, humans , of course)
     
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    I'll gladly be the test specimen for 5G thank you.
     
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    u want to live next to a cell tower too?
     
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    I already do, nothing too fancy though.
     
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  24. [21CW]killerofall

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    Doesn't the entire state of California cause cancer on its own?
     
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    It's not even increasing any wireless signals. Existing signals will transfer onto a slightly different wavelength.
     
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    Known to the state of Cancer to cause California.
     
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    Off the rails, down the hill, over the cliff, and headed for the bottom at full speed.
     
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    This is the state that ordered Lowe's to pay for 2x4's not being 2"x4"
    https://www.hbsdealer.com/news/lowes-ordered-pay-2x4-settlement/
     
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    Well the place is on fire and its worse each year. Perhaps they noticed. ;)
     
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    They should make wildfires illegal.
     
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    With 5G deployment we ALL will be living next to cell towers. But it will be better. 5G will essentially be replacing 3G. 3G is a much lower frequency range and anyone that knows anything about radio waves, lower frequencies go farther, penetrate better. It's why good 4G isn't a given and 3G is a backup. But because 5G is significantly higher in frequency, it also has much poorer penetration of buildings, windows, and human tissues. Even if you are closer to the source. 5G is going to be more of a mesh deployment of transmitters and repeaters than ever before. But the signals should be far less intrusive than the 3G networks they are replacing.

    That's my understanding of basic radio wave theory from when I went to school to learn about RADAR. There may be more to it that I am not aware of, but I am pretty sure the basics haven't changed.

    EDIT: I probably should have said "transceivers" instead of transmitters, although technically more accurate, it's not the receiver part that transmits a signal, it's passive. Of course the other "active" transmitter in this equation is the one we are all carrying in our pockets and purses, etc. Unless we are rich enough to have some schmuck carry our phone for us :D
     
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  32. DejaWiz

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    Shhhh...don't tell them that!
     
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    How come the state isn't required to post billboards: "wildfire smoke is known to the State of CA to cause cancer".
     
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    Probably because billboards cause cancer.
     
  35. DocNo

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    They haven't. People who haven't even heard of the inverse square law shouldn't be commenting on anything to do with RF
     
  36. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Good old can't differentiate between a city issue and a state issue. FYI, happy meal toys are not banned in the state either just San Francisco, btw all soda doesn't have a tax on it, only Berkeley & San Francisco, BTW showing titties is not illegal in the state only in Palm Springs, btw.... nevermind the level of California hate on this board is quite amusing sometimes.
     
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    You should try and get him bann'd like any good Californian would do.
     
  38. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Maybe because breathing in sawdust can in fact cause some quite serious health problems, of which one particular problem could be cancer. I'm guessing not that many people really put the correlation that breathing in fine particles of something that's "natural" (aka wood) might be bad for them in the long run.

    Well to be fair, maybe they shouldn't fucking label them as 2x4s when they in fact are not 2 inch by 4 inch which is kind of why they are called that, sure everyone who is in the trades (and some who aren't) knows that all "dimensional" lumber is a half inch shorter than what it says, i.e. 1 inch thick boards whether redwood, pine, maple, oak etc are actually 0.75 inch. 2 inch by ... is actually 1.5 inch by, and 4 is 3.5, 6 is 5.5, 8 is 7.25, etc. And you can make all the arguments in the world about how the drying of said wood is what shrinks it... ironically green wood that sometimes sell that is wet as fuck can't be found anywhere close to 2 inches. Used to be they claimed it was due to the width of the cutting blades, well shouldn't that be a "manufacturer problem" not a "consumer problem" , if I was selling 1 gallon of water, but you actually only got 95% of a gallon due to spillage in the bottling process and evaporation because we don't put the lids on right away then some might be upset with me saying they're getting a gallon of water. Seriously I just redid my basement floor, 3/4" plywood for the subfloor, actual thickness 23/32 ... REAL thickness .704 inches, I mean for fucks sake they sell THREE QUARTER INCH stuff (as labeled on their signs) and then they say it's ACTUAL thickness is 23/32, and then they say the width is .704" and yeah I realize that's 22.5/32 and they're probably rounding up, but the reality is that it's kind of deceptive advertising for what they sell.

    Now I get that this is a "we already know this" type of issue, but still can't explain the fact that they're selling stuff that is deceptively labeled, I won't say mislabeled because after some searching they do tell you how much it costs, but this is really no different than telling you that your tv service will be $39/month but after their MANDATORY rental fee for their box, then the "recovery fees" "broadcast fees" and "sports franchise fees" (all of which are in no way government mandated they are simply done by the cable/satellite company to sell you a more expensive product for a cheaper price than they state), this is like going to a hotel for $99/night, but when you check in there's a $30/night resort fee. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with ONLY going after Lowes, that the entire industry needs to be put on notice, and then carry that over to every other industries and don't allow them to get away with simply putting "plus possible taxes and fees" especially when all those fees are self imposed by the company, but it still does not excuse the matter that if you have sign, and on the sign it says 2x4 in 108 point font, then in a 20 point font it says "actual thickness 1.5 inch by 3.5 inch" that they are trying to be deceptive in what you're getting, and no 2x4 is not the "kleenex" of the lumber world, they could say "Framing stud" then label the thickness just as easily.
     
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  39. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Well this server isn't in California so I recognize that any local issues aren't really going to be pertinent to those in other states, unfortunately others think the ideas California ideas are going fuck with their world, plus there are nearly 40 million people in the state and not everyone is as bann<sic> happy as you think.
     
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    It's lawyers. Basically, California has a lot of propositions where they have "private enforcement" so a lawyer can sue to collect fines on behalf of the state and then get to keep a cut. You have entire law firms whose sole business is suing people for violation of these propositions. And the lawyers keep inventing new propositions to rip off more money (like the ill-fated condom one a couple years back). That's why everything in California causes cancer because companies don't want to risk a lawsuit.
     
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