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Nellothefellow

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I am going to upgrade my system this year. I am planning on getting a Kaby Lake 7700k and a new graphic card and monitor. I have to buy these parts over a couple of months. The games I will mainly play are The Witcher 3 (the entire genre)/cities skylines and the total war franchise. I would like to play at max settings.

I plan to eventually go to 1440p gaming. As I was reading the forum it seemed that I shouldn't buy a 1080 at the moment because the landscape will change soon. So I am thinking I could buy a temp card and sell it once the new cards come out later this year. So the question is should I buy a 1060? I only have a 1080 monitor at 60 refresh rate right now...could that max out The witcher 3? I have had this game for months but haven't played it due to my current card (gtx 670). I dont know if i'd want to buy it if I couldn't max out (with my current processor). If not, and the 1070 wouldn't give me a good resell value (please advise), then I'd prolly just buy a processor and mobo now and try to wait it out.



Here are some of my current components:

I5 3570K

1 x G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model

1 x PC Power & Cooling Fatal1ty Gaming Series 750 Watt 80+ Bronze Semi-Modular Active PFC Performance Grade ATX PC

1 x CM Storm Enforcer - Gaming Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Water Cooling Support (Showing this in case its too small for the GPU I want)
 
I really don't worry about resell value if I can cover the depreciation. Usually depreciation double each tier up.

1060 - $25-40 loss
1070 - $50 - 75 loss
1080 - $100-150 loss
Titan XP - $200+ loss

This is probably the main reason why I avoid Titan cards.

How much are you willing to lose? If you can afford to lose $50 or so, get the 1070.
 
WorldExclusive said:
I really don't worry about resell value if I can cover the depreciation. Usually depreciation double each tier up.

1060 - $25-40 loss
1070 - $50 - 75 loss
1080 - $100-150 loss
Titan XP - $200+ loss

This is probably the main reason why I avoid Titan cards.

How much are you willing to lose? If you can afford to lose $50 or so, get the 1070.
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I could afford to lose the 75 but i'm cheap and would rather get the cheapest option lol. Guessing the 1060 can't do ultra almost everything so I'll go with the 1070 (unless you have another card suggestion). The chart put my mind at ease a lot. I actually just looked up my current card and its still selling for over 100 for some reason.
 
Nellothefellow said:
I could afford to lose the 75 but i'm cheap and would rather get the cheapest option lol. Guessing the 1060 can't do ultra almost everything so I'll go with the 1070 (unless you have another card suggestion). The chart put my mind at ease a lot. I actually just looked up my current card and its still selling for over 100 for some reason.
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The only cards coming out in the next few months are Titan XP challengers with the price tag to match.
W3 is very demanding so a 1080 OC / 1080Ti would be more appropriate. 98% of other games a 1070 OC/1080 would be just fine for 1440p @ 60.

980Ti (1070) vs 1080

 
WorldExclusive said:
The only cards coming out in the next few months are Titan XP challengers with the price tag to match.
W3 is very demanding so a 1080 OC / 1080Ti would be more appropriate. 98% of other games a 1070 OC/1080 would be just fine for 1440p @ 60.

980Ti (1070) vs 1080

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I figured a 1070 wouldn't do it at 1440p, right now I'm just going for a max at 1080p which is why I thought at 1060 might work. Won't have a new monitor until sometime in the summer.
 
Buy a used 970, resell it for almost the same price afterwards. Still good for 1080p gaming. If you want ultra settings, will have to go with something like a 980ti.
 
If you're considering a 1060 or 480 for 1080p and maybe hold over 1440 without loosing lots of cash when next generation drops, I'd go for a 480 8gb as inventory is building of them so there will be some deals to be found if you look around. Used 980Ti or a Fury-X would be a great bargain too for 1440p, or just stretch to 1070.

And if you're thinking in months, I'd wait for Ryzen allegedly next month..
 
N4CR said:
If you're considering a 1060 or 480 for 1080p and maybe hold over 1440 without loosing lots of cash when next generation drops, I'd go for a 480 8gb as inventory is building of them so there will be some deals to be found if you look around. Used 980Ti or a Fury-X would be a great bargain too for 1440p, or just stretch to 1070.

And if you're thinking in months, I'd wait for Ryzen allegedly next month..
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I could actually wait till next month because I have a 3 week work trip coming up soon where I wouldn't be able to play any games anyway.

I could just upgrade my processor/mobo in the meantime, but would it be worth it or is what I have fine (i3570k)
 
Nellothefellow said:
I could actually wait till next month because I have a 3 week work trip coming up soon where I wouldn't be able to play any games anyway.

I could just upgrade my processor/mobo in the meantime, but would it be worth it or is what I have fine (i3570k)
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Your CPU should be fine for gaming, the 7700K doesn't have a huge advantage in IPC over the 3570K.

If you are doing something that has lots of threads eg. VMs then the 7700K will have an advantage as it has Hyperthreading.
 
TW3+Ultra+1440p is going to need as much gpu grunt as you can throw at it. Buy a 1080 now or nothing at all until new cards are out. Spending $200 on a stop gap card is just burning money away IMO
 
RamonGTP said:
TW3+Ultra+1440p is going to need as much gpu grunt as you can throw at it. Buy a 1080 now or nothing at all until new cards are out. Spending $200 on a stop gap card is just burning money away IMO
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Yeah but impatience requires a fix.. Either way you are getting screwed. 1080 is likely burning just as much money as the other option, with Vega and or Ti in less than 5 months.. Between Pitan and 1080 pricing, something has to give if a Ti is around. With two exciting new launches and competition in near future, I'd be waiting or doing a used GPU bump. Bang for buck is critical for a holdover.
I bought this used 290x DCUII with a year of warranty after a 7970 and psu died together, as a hold over to see what Polaris would bring, I'm glad I got it as it's doing the job fine at 1440/60/10bit for me, Doom, NMS, Ori and the Blind forest, Grid2 etc. I don't play TW3 though. These days if same scenario, I'd go Fury-X or 980Ti if I could find one as quiet until Vega/Ti.

I'm also very interested in Navi and Volta, so may fall back to 290x as a holdover if I sell a month or two prior...
 
Nellothefellow said:
I am going to upgrade my system this year. I am planning on getting a Kaby Lake 7700k and a new graphic card and monitor. I have to buy these parts over a couple of months. The games I will mainly play are The Witcher 3 (the entire genre)/cities skylines and the total war franchise. I would like to play at max settings.

I plan to eventually go to 1440p gaming. As I was reading the forum it seemed that I shouldn't buy a 1080 at the moment because the landscape will change soon. So I am thinking I could buy a temp card and sell it once the new cards come out later this year. So the question is should I buy a 1060? I only have a 1080 monitor at 60 refresh rate right now...could that max out The witcher 3? I have had this game for months but haven't played it due to my current card (gtx 670). I dont know if i'd want to buy it if I couldn't max out (with my current processor). If not, and the 1070 wouldn't give me a good resell value (please advise), then I'd prolly just buy a processor and mobo now and try to wait it out.



Here are some of my current components:

I5 3570K

1 x G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model

1 x PC Power & Cooling Fatal1ty Gaming Series 750 Watt 80+ Bronze Semi-Modular Active PFC Performance Grade ATX PC

1 x CM Storm Enforcer - Gaming Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Water Cooling Support (Showing this in case its too small for the GPU I want)
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Keep your current system. Maybe consider upgrading the 3570k to a 3770k. I did that and it helps in some modern games. Add another stock of ram to take advantage of dual channel. Buy a nicer video card with the money saved.
 
WorldExclusive said:
The only cards coming out in the next few months are Titan XP challengers with the price tag to match.
W3 is very demanding so a 1080 OC / 1080Ti would be more appropriate. 98% of other games a 1070 OC/1080 would be just fine for 1440p @ 60.

980Ti (1070) vs 1080

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Note that this is reference speed 980 Ti. With overclocking you could get fairly close to a stock 1080. So if you want a card to tide you over until 1180 or whatever comes out next year, buy a used 980 Ti. It runs 1440p very well and personally I don't plan to upgrade mine until 4K @ 144 Hz screens become available so probably late this year the earliest.

The 3570K will be a slight bottleneck. I noticed when upgrading from 3570K @ 4.5 GHz to 6600K @ 4.6 GHz that games ran a bit smoother on the same overclocked 980 Ti. Still fine on the 3570K so it's not a big issue. I don't see much point in upgrading anything else in your system.
 
If you're gaming at 1080p now. A good Hold over card at that resolution would be a regular GTX 980 is faster than the 1060. That's what I have and I can play Witcher 3 maxed out at 1080p at a constant 60fps as well as DOOM on Ultra at 1440p at well over 60 fps, though I do have a 6700K & 16gb DDR4.

You can find them on Ebay for 150-170.
 
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