Buy Cheap Blower Style GTX 1080 Ti or Multifan, Case Air Flow issues

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  1. edo101

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    I can get a ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti for 530 but its a blower style card as you can see. I've heard they are good for cases with bad airflow.

    Mine would fall under that category. It's ENERMAX iVektor ECA3310A. Pic of inside of my build is below. I have a 290 Vapor X and playing Witcher for 20 mins in the Texas summer gives me 90 degs. would you recommend getting this 1080 Ti or wait it out for prices to get lower for a multi fan one. I hate blowers being so noisy and I'd imagine this would run hot. But it would also appear that because of my case a multi fan system won't do me any good?

    Or should I try and add additional fans to my system. And if so where. There are two options for the top of the case.

    I also want to use my backup GTX 470 for Nvidiaworks which I think is still doable? Unless Nvidia disabled this ability? This is to help offload the load on the 1080 Ti. Display is qa 4K 3D HDR OLED TV. and my CPU is an i7 930 @ 3.8Ghz

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  2. Riccochet

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    First, clean that thing.

    Second, do you have all the fans? 3x intake and 3x exhaust? Shouldn't have airflow issues if so.
     
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    I definitely will lol. But no I don't have all the fans. Would it really make much of a difference? I don't have the top fans and only 1 front fan

    I've heard some say my i7 930 at 3.8 Ghz wont be sufficient. I think it would be at 4K with minimal bottleneck, what do you think?
     
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    Having strong case fans makes all the difference. Fresh cool air is needed for your GPU/CPU to heat up and be exhausted by more case fans. Otherwise you've just got a box of hot... as your 90 degree temps suggest. I use nCases set up in a way to have strong airflow and my GPUs stay at 60-63C under load at 80F ambient, so airflow is key.
     
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    You need to go on Ebay and buy an i7 970 then overclock it to 4.2. Should be easy as pie.
     
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    I don't know how much of a difference this would yield.. these chips dump a ton of heat OCd and hes already got issues there. I mean.. it is pretty old at this point. First gen Ryzen chips are going for dirt cheap - thats the route I'd go.
     
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    The problem with your route is the cost. He'd have to upgrade MB, CPU, RAM.

    $80 let's him keep his current rig and get more cores with more core speed. I guess it depends on his needs and wants.
     
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    Yeah I am not about to spend more money on PC gaming before I graduate school lol. I can get a 1080 Ti SC right now for 520 bucks. Seems like a good deal but its also the most I'm willing to go. I won't opt for a 970 either. Gonna have to limp around on the 1080 Ti with my old build but it should be better than 30 fps.
     
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    Btw do you think 530 for a 1080 Ti is a good deal or should I wait till 1180 to get a better version than the 1080 Ti SC?
     
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    It's a little below current market I think, but still overpriced to where we are in the lifecycle. All that matters is whether or not you feel it's a good deal.
     
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    That's a pretty good price at the moment. You might get the same performance for a little bit less when the 1170 comes out. Rumors say 30 September for that card.
     
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    What about buying a new case. You don't have to spend big dollars to get one with good cooling.
     
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    since nobody asked... what is room temp at? if its like 100 in the house case cooling isn't gonna help much
     
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    Like which one? I don't want to buy a full ATX either

    87 degrees
     
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    87... Wow. Well, I'd suggest a new case AND or more fans. Gaming must be brutal once it heats your spot up even more.
     
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    Holy hell. I'm at 78 and feel like shit; at 87 I'd probably just roll over and die. You should definitely consider either a blower card, or better yet, a CLC cooled model. Those will allow you to do the same thing (exhaust all the heat out of the case), but will also perform better since the card won't be thermal throttling.
     
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    Yeah I wait till night time when free Electricity kicks in to game. I don't plan on staying where I am at for long though. Actually moving to California for a bit but yeah Texas summers kick your butt with electric bills.

    I am actually looking into these fans: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186197

    Is this a good option?
     
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    yeah those fans are good but your case uses 120mm fanes. you need five with as high flow as possible, 3 for the front and 2 for the back/top.
     
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    Its actually 2 in front only. So to try and fix this issue I'd need to buy 6 fans. Two for front, two for back one for bottom and one for rear to replace them with high flow fans. However this won't be cheap lol. Might be better to buy a new case but for the budget and work I'd need to put in, I wonder if it's worth it to buy a new quality mid tower case
     
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    That case is fine for airflow, you just need to outfit it with enough fans. Blower coolers suck. I don't buy the manufacturer's excuse anymore that it's "better for cases with bad airflow." That may be the case, but at the flagship price segment the consumer deserves better.
     
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    How can you be sure that its good for airflow?
     
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    It's a mid-tower ATX case with plenty of vents. The only reason it would be getting poor airflow is if it didn't have enough fans - which it doesn't, in your case. A single intake and exhaust might be sufficient for a low-power off-the-shelf home PC that browses Facebook, but you are running very hot hardware which is going to need much more fresh air to cool properly.
     
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    this would be why I asked that question. Back when I did a ton of xbox 360 repairs I had one guy living in a trailer get super angry with me because I couldn't fix his xbox. It was middle of the summer and the guy was gaming all day in a trailer with no AC. I jacked up the fans and did things that would make a system run for 48 hours plus at my house but the next day the guy would be back with a dead system.
    put 3 of them in a system. The blower coolers are the only ones you can clump together tight and keep at 100% usage. When it comes to server racks and other mass GPU configs they work very well.
     
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    Buy 3 fans minimum. One for the front so you have two of them as intake, and two more for top exhaust. A fourth for intake from the bottom wouldn't hurt either. Dust out the machine and see where you end up temp wise.
     
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    I have a regular 1080 (non-Ti) and I was going for positive airflow (more incoming than outgoing) because I've read it'll cool better than more output, but it gets really hot. I have two 120mm blowholes in the top of my case and I'm going to change them from incoming to outgoing because too much heat is building up. It seems taking heat away works much better than introducing cool air. I haven't experimented much though; this case takes 11 fans and I haven't experimented enough yet. But either way, the more fans the better (aside from noise of course).
     
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    Best solution might be to install window AC in your room and set it to 72 degrees F when you game.

    In other words you can install all the fans you want. But if your ambient is 87 degrees you can't expect your graphics card to get much cooler than that ambient room temperature.

    Cooling works on a heat transfer process. If there isn't enough temperature differential between the air coming into the gpu and the gpu's current temps, your cooling gains will be very low to nonexistent no matter how many case fans you have or the fans on the gpu itself.
     
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    While you're not wrong, if his gaming room is 87 degrees celsius while he's gaming, he's got other, far bigger problems.

    87°F = 30°C, which is far far cooler than his hardware runs. If you're a 90°C GPU, you feel like 22°C and 30°C are about the same temperature - they're both much, much cooler than you are!
     
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    As many have stated, more fans, cooler room.

    I have a word of caution against using an OLED as a monitor. Burn may become an issue, that is, the interface (hotkeys, windows bar) being in a static spot for extended periods of time will eventually burn into the OLED's in those spots and become a permanent fixture on the monitor itself. I imagine it's the main reason we haven't seen many OLED monitors
    (samsung has.. a few maybe?).
     
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    BTW just for fun. If you want to create an extreme cooling solution... try what they did in this video. 4x 480 rads daisy chained together into one unit. :)

     
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    Cheaper solution? Keep your side panel off, your room is too hot already, no amount of fans is going to fix that :).
     
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    Thats the trick. I only use the TV when I am playing a game. I use my normal monitors for typical PC stuff. Its hard to use the TV as a monitor given its size lol. so its mainly for PC gaming and general TV watching

    Thanks for posting that case. Its right within my budget. Only issue with it is that I need one more 3.5mm slot for normal size HDDs. I didn't realize we are phasing HDDs out now. I have 3 HDDs. One is a 7200 rpm Samsung drive from 2010 that has been reliable for so long (my gaming drive). I'll prbly down the road move it to become a 1 TB SSD. The Samsung HDD is actually still SATA 2. I actually have 4 3.5 mm HDDs but I am gonna move one to the 4TB drive I got. What do y'all do with old drives you're not using anymore. I can only carry but so many older unused mechanical drives.
     
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    Somebody told me to make sure its high airflow fan. Like a 65 CFM or higher. Those while cheap seem like they won't do much at 38.2 CFM?
     
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    The Rosewills I linked aren't the best fans, no - I got the impression you were on a budget and was looking for a good way to populate your fan spots on the cheap.

    As an aside, manufacturer's CFM ratings are pretty sketch. The test methodologies aren't standardized and fluid dynamics is hard, so those numbers often don't mean much.
     
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    With the high ambient temperatures the OP has to deal with, I'd suggest something more like this (57 CFM vs 38):

    https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-CF512S-BK-120mm-Black-Silent/dp/B01BLVOC9Q/ref=pd_sbs_147_5

    the overlike air in his home is going to be a liability for trying to keep anything cool, the best cheap workaround is to focus on factor P for plenty of air flow.
     
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    Damn OP dust that thing! Secondly, get a better case, that Hard Drive Cage is blocking all of your airflow. Third, rip the blower off of it and zip tie some good Air Pressure fans to it, 120mm's.
     
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    What blower, what are you talking about lol? And yeah i'll look into a better case. If you think the HDD cage is making that much of a difference. Any mid tower recommendations?
     
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    I definitely am but I'd be willing to find a middle ground between price and performance.