Building Blocks of Life Found on Mars

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A new study released by NASA reveals that there are large organic molecules on Mars. This data was gathered by the Curiosity rover in Mars's Gale Crater where it found the 3.5B year old molecules. These results don't mean there was life on Mars, but they do show where more advanced missions might possibly find that smoking gun. We'll see how it goes with future missions and hopefully we'll be able to once and for all confirm whether life existed on Mars. Thanks cageymaru.

To get firmer answers, researchers will need to get equipment to Mars that’s sensitive enough to detect life’s thumb on the chemical scales. On Earth, life makes more methane and less of the gas ethane than non-living reactions do. If researchers saw this signature on Mars, the case for life would get stronger.
 

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This is an amazing finding, especially since these are relatively superficial rocks. Billions of years of UV light and chlorine can make quite a number on organic molecules, even recalcitrant ones like these ones. Hopefully the deeper NASA digs, the more complex molecules it finds!
 

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Wake me up when they finally find actual fucking signs of life. I am tired of reading about all the signs of things that may be evidence of a possibility that there potentially may be some semblance of something like life.....at some time...
 

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Wake me up when they finally find actual fucking signs of life. I am tired of reading about all the signs of things that may be evidence of a possibility that there potentially may be some semblance of something like life.....at some time...
For the most part they have pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars at some time in the past.. billions of years ago. The same as other planets and exoplanets.. it seems the whole galaxy was filled with life billions of years ago, and then something happened (Big Bang maybe) that killed off life on pretty much all planets including Earth. But, Earth "found a way" to come back and created humans (potentially with the help of God, if you believe in that) and here we are thousands of years later trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Unfortunately, I think we will end up killing ourselves on Earth before we put all the puzzle pieces back together and solve anything.
 
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For the most part that have pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars at some time in the past.. millions of years ago.
Source? To my knowledge they have not confirmed anything. The only thing they have found is evidence that there might have been life, not that there was life. Also, I have never heard of a theory involving what you are suggesting that there was life, it was wiped out and then somehow Earth came back.
 

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For the most part that have pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars at some time in the past.. millions of years ago. The same as other planets and exoplanets.. it seems the whole galaxy was filled with life millions of years ago, and then something happened (Big Bang maybe) that killed off life on pretty much all planets including Earth. But, Earth "found a way" to come back and created humans (potentially with the help of God, if you believe in that) and here we are thousands of years later trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Unfortunately, I think we will end up killing ourselves on Earth before we put all the puzzle pieces back together and solve anything.
Signs of "life"..

Have we actually seen life outside Earth? No. This makes everything else a theory. We know more about space than we do our own oceans. Does this mean our scientific methods are proven correct? In theory only.
NoOther will need to sleep many lifetimes until that genuine headline happens, if ever at all.
 

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For the most part that have pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars at some time in the past.. millions of years ago. The same as other planets and exoplanets.. it seems the whole galaxy was filled with life millions of years ago, and then something happened (Big Bang maybe) that killed off life on pretty much all planets including Earth. But, Earth "found a way" to come back and created humans (potentially with the help of God, if you believe in that) and here we are thousands of years later trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Unfortunately, I think we will end up killing ourselves on Earth before we put all the puzzle pieces back together and solve anything.
The Big Bang happened _billions_ of years ago, as in 17 billion. Earth and Mars were not around when that happened. The Sun wasn't around when that happened. In fact, NOTHING was around when that happened. At least nothing in this universe. Because that's what created everything. At least in this universe.

What happened to Mars is it lost its atmosphere. Because when you're Mars' size, your dynamo, which generates your planetary magnetic field, which protects your atmosphere, fades away much quicker than when you're Earth's size. Nothing special about that. Earth will face that fate eventually as well. This is kind of why we need to get the science right, and not make mistakes like saying the Big Bang happened millions of years ago rather than billions. :)
 

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Source? To my knowledge they have not confirmed anything. The only thing they have found is evidence that there might have been life, not that there was life. Also, I have never heard of a theory involving what you are suggesting that there was life, it was wiped out and then somehow Earth came back.
Xenu knows.
 

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Source? To my knowledge they have not confirmed anything. The only thing they have found is evidence that there might have been life, not that there was life. Also, I have never heard of a theory involving what you are suggesting that there was life, it was wiped out and then somehow Earth came back.
http://www.sci-news.com/space/science-mars-01553.html

http://www.newsweek.com/mars-habitable-billions-years-ago-gale-crater-nasa-curiosity-619117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

All this is theory, and unfortunately in space (science fiction) there is just a lot of theory until it is proven with facts.

Yea we haven't ran into Aliens.. or dug up a dead body on Mars.. but if its been 4 million - 4 billion years ago. we aren't going to find much.

The whole Earth timeline is another argument on whether you believe in God, if God created Dinosaurs, and how long (timeline) this all took place, and how Dinosaurs were killed off.

Realistically, we are never truly going to understand how/why we are here, who/what/if created us, and if we are alone in the universe.
 

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http://www.sci-news.com/space/science-mars-01553.html

http://www.newsweek.com/mars-habitable-billions-years-ago-gale-crater-nasa-curiosity-619117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

All this is theory, and unfortunately in space (science fiction) there is just a lot of theory until it is proven with facts.

Yea we haven't ran into Aliens.. or dug up a dead body on Mars.. but if its been 4 million - 4 billion years ago. we aren't going to find much.

The whole Earth timeline is another argument on whether you believe in God, if God created Dinosaurs, and how long (timeline) this all took place, and how Dinosaurs were killed off.

Realistically, we are never truly going to understand how/why we are here, who/what/if created us, and if we are alone in the universe.
So you "believe" the big bang, which you so flippantly linked to, happened a few million years ago? Keep in mind that the farthest observed star is >10 billion light years away via red shift parameters.
 

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You keep saying "theory" but I think you mean "hypothesis". Theory is something that is pretty well settled (although we still adjust it as we learn more) such as the Theory of Gravity


http://www.sci-news.com/space/science-mars-01553.html

http://www.newsweek.com/mars-habitable-billions-years-ago-gale-crater-nasa-curiosity-619117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

All this is theory, and unfortunately in space (science fiction) there is just a lot of theory until it is proven with facts.

Yea we haven't ran into Aliens.. or dug up a dead body on Mars.. but if its been 4 million - 4 billion years ago. we aren't going to find much.

The whole Earth timeline is another argument on whether you believe in God, if God created Dinosaurs, and how long (timeline) this all took place, and how Dinosaurs were killed off.

Realistically, we are never truly going to understand how/why we are here, who/what/if created us, and if we are alone in the universe.
 
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Realistically, we are never truly going to understand how/why we are here, who/what/if created us, and if we are alone in the universe.
Unless something in a space ship lands on the white house lawn :p
 

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You keep saying "theory" but I think you mean "hypothesis". Theory is something that is pretty well settled (although we still adjust it as we learn more) such as the Theory of Gravity
I guess that depends on if the 'Big Bang Theory' is really a theory or a hypothesis.
 

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Kinda tired of looking for past life on Mars, how about they look at the possibility of it sustaining life in the future? That is something i'd be more interested in....
 

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http://www.sci-news.com/space/science-mars-01553.html

http://www.newsweek.com/mars-habitable-billions-years-ago-gale-crater-nasa-curiosity-619117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

All this is theory, and unfortunately in space (science fiction) there is just a lot of theory until it is proven with facts.

Yea we haven't ran into Aliens.. or dug up a dead body on Mars.. but if its been 4 million - 4 billion years ago. we aren't going to find much.

The whole Earth timeline is another argument on whether you believe in God, if God created Dinosaurs, and how long (timeline) this all took place, and how Dinosaurs were killed off.

Realistically, we are never truly going to understand how/why we are here, who/what/if created us, and if we are alone in the universe.
So again, there has been no confirmation of life anywhere else besides Earth. So your assertion that they have "pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars" is false. In addition, you have nothing that speaks of this "event" that "it seems the whole galaxy was filled with life billions of years ago, and then something happened (Big Bang maybe) that killed off life on pretty much all planets including Earth". Especially since the prevailing theory is that there was no life before the Big Bang, mostly because there was no universe before the Big Bang. Got it.
 

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We already know that life existed on Mars at some point in time. Its core cooled, which in turn reduced its atmosphere. Its now a dead planet. We should be looking elsewhere, and we have found other planets in solar systems that are in an Earth like orbit around their sun stars (the goldielocks boundaries). The problem we have is getting there, our technology just isn't there yet, it might never be there at the rate we're going.
 

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So again, there has been no confirmation of life anywhere else besides Earth. So your assertion that they have "pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars" is false. In addition, you have nothing that speaks of this "event" that "it seems the whole galaxy was filled with life billions of years ago, and then something happened (Big Bang maybe) that killed off life on pretty much all planets including Earth". Especially since the prevailing theory is that there was no life before the Big Bang, mostly because there was no universe before the Big Bang. Got it.
When was life on Mars then? Before or After Big Bang? What really happened during Big Bang? Did Big Bang really happen? If they both occurred 4 Billion years ago that's a pretty cool coincidence. No one knows what was before Big Bang.. or if Big Bang happened.
 
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When was life on Mars then? Before or After Big Bang? What really happened during Big Bang? Did Big Bang really happen? If they both occurred 4 Billion years ago that's a pretty cool coincidence. No one knows what was before Big Bang.. or if Big Bang happened.
It would have to have been after the Big Bang according to scientific theory. You are right, no one knows, but that further goes to disprove your statements. So I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

We already know that life existed on Mars at some point in time.
We do? When did we confirm that life existed on Mars before?
 

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It would have to have been after the Big Bang according to scientific theory. You are right, no one knows, but that further goes to disprove your statements. So I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

I never said it was Big Bang, but might have been Big Bang.. no one knows.

We do? When did we confirm that life existed on Mars before?
Organic Matter in a Lab is life.. its no E.T. but its living or was alive.
 

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Organic Matter in a Lab is life.. its no E.T. but its living or was alive.
Actually no it is not. Organic molecules is not synonymous with life. If that was true, then the headline of this article would have been "Scientists find life on Mars!!!!"
 

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Actually no it is not. Organic molecules is not synonymous with life. If that was true, then the headline of this article would have been "Scientists find life on Mars!!!!"
Pretty much is, only other explanation is that it was created by some chemical breakdown, which I am sure they can figure out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_matter

They wouldn't say life on Mars, because there is no current proof of active/alive life on Mars.
 

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Pretty much is, only other explanation is that it was created by some chemical breakdown, which I am sure they can figure out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_matter

They wouldn't say life on Mars, because there is no current proof of active/alive life on Mars.
Dude, just stop. Did you even fucking read that wikipedia?

Organic molecules can also be made by chemical reactions that don't involve life.
Again, this is very simple. Had scientists actually found life outside of Earth, they would be proclaiming it from the rooftops as loud as possible and it would be front page virtually everywhere. News flash, they haven't. They have only found evidence that there may have been life.
 

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there is no science that can back the claim of anything beyond x thousands of years let alone x millions or x billions

Just because the soil "looks old" does not make it so, quite easy to "fake age" most everything, and when this rocks or whatever they "test" never leave their hands, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

that is nasa as well as numerous government agencies, elitsts etc "selling kool aid" should you NOT agree with their "pseudo science" that means untold trillions of dollars of revenue annually, globally, they will bury this information because they so do not want the gravy train to come to a grinding halt, nor admit that in fact for generations they have been outright lying, cause distension in the ranks ^.^

Our measurements are only as accurate as the PEOPLE using them, PEOPLE are anything but perfect therefore the data they use in most everything should not be taken as "accurate" especially regarding the "age of the universe, the rocks, the soil samples collected". We are very fallible because we as human beings are anything but perfect, trying to make what we do appear "without fault"

We know the science behind combustion, the methods needed to fly and such things, there is a great deal of what we more or less KNOW to be 100% repeatable so therefore a very high % of accuracy and probability, for everything else, is worthless conjecture.

Interesting nonetheless, but, the moment claims fly around that "oh this is BILLIONS of years old" means they pile one pile of lack of credible evidence upon another.

in other words, hearsay, which is not nor should be admissible in anything besides, I dont know, FOX news LOL

I just find it funny as oh hell that they woull go out of their way to "convince" people so they continue to get paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but when it comes to admitting where they could or likely are wrong in their estimations, mum's the word as the saying goes.
 

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Dude, just stop. Did you even fucking read that wikipedia?



Again, this is very simple. Had scientists actually found life outside of Earth, they would be proclaiming it from the rooftops as loud as possible and it would be front page virtually everywhere. News flash, they haven't. They have only found evidence that there may have been life.
as well as this so called potential "evidence" is only in their hands, so they pretty much can say whatever they want, however they want, have they not been doing this for countless generations (not nasa specifically, am saying humans, societies etc in general) ?

"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth, so we will find ways to keep making you drink our kool-aid instead" ^.^
 

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as well as this so called potential "evidence" is only in their hands, so they pretty much can say whatever they want, however they want, have they not been doing this for countless generations (not nasa specifically, am saying humans, societies etc in general) ?

"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth, so we will find ways to keep making you drink our kool-aid instead" ^.^
I mean there are definite things that would confirm life on Mars (fossils, actual organic matter consistent with lifeforms, etc), but that isn't what they have found yet. It is hard to be 100% certain, but my point here is that the scientists are not even claiming they found life. The scientists themselves are merely saying they found building blocks for what could have been life. This has been said a lot, like when they confirmed water on Mars, or when they theorized about the atmosphere or loss of atmosphere on Mars, etc. There is a lot to suggest there may have been life, but not enough to confirm there was life.
 

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there is no science that can back the claim of anything beyond x thousands of years let alone x millions or x billions

Just because the soil "looks old" does not make it so, quite easy to "fake age" most everything, and when this rocks or whatever they "test" never leave their hands, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

that is nasa as well as numerous government agencies, elitsts etc "selling kool aid" should you NOT agree with their "pseudo science" that means untold trillions of dollars of revenue annually, globally, they will bury this information because they so do not want the gravy train to come to a grinding halt, nor admit that in fact for generations they have been outright lying, cause distension in the ranks ^.^

Our measurements are only as accurate as the PEOPLE using them, PEOPLE are anything but perfect therefore the data they use in most everything should not be taken as "accurate" especially regarding the "age of the universe, the rocks, the soil samples collected". We are very fallible because we as human beings are anything but perfect, trying to make what we do appear "without fault"

We know the science behind combustion, the methods needed to fly and such things, there is a great deal of what we more or less KNOW to be 100% repeatable so therefore a very high % of accuracy and probability, for everything else, is worthless conjecture.

Interesting nonetheless, but, the moment claims fly around that "oh this is BILLIONS of years old" means they pile one pile of lack of credible evidence upon another.

in other words, hearsay, which is not nor should be admissible in anything besides, I dont know, FOX news LOL

I just find it funny as oh hell that they woull go out of their way to "convince" people so they continue to get paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but when it comes to admitting where they could or likely are wrong in their estimations, mum's the word as the saying goes.
Frankly, that kind of convincing people made the age of exploration possible in the first place.
 

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i know i missed a few drops after a frap session or two but all the way to mars? had no idea i had it in me
 

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For the most part they have pretty much confirmed there was life on Mars at some time in the past.. billions of years ago. The same as other planets and exoplanets.. it seems the whole galaxy was filled with life billions of years ago, and then something happened (Big Bang maybe) that killed off life on pretty much all planets including Earth. But, Earth "found a way" to come back and created humans (potentially with the help of God, if you believe in that) and here we are thousands of years later trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Unfortunately, I think we will end up killing ourselves on Earth before we put all the puzzle pieces back together and solve anything.
No.

Stop.
 

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AKA please explain your post and post citations to corresponding, reputable claims backing up your statement.
Its easy to see from images taken of the surface from space where its oceans carved the landscape & where the continental plates are. See for yourself.
 
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