BoB is dead... the war is over. (Eve Online)

I finally got the pics to load on the EVE post about "the take"

I am both amazed and confused about how this works in the game. Ignorance IS bliss! :)

Its only because I'm just now crossing the 1.6million SP mark (no more 100% learning speed *sniff*), and am only scratching the surface of the multiplayer aspects of this game :)

I do find that everyone I've bumped into has been VERY helpful, and especially the HardForum channel for being patient with my newb questions and understandings.

I'm just now getting to Level 2 missions, and cant wait till I'm ready for the big time :)
 
Most people are helpful to each other, especially in high-sec. But once you get out to 0.0, the politics are extremely complex, and its very cut-throat between alliances.
 
As well is should be! :)

I'm hoping that once she and I get a little more sound in our combat practices and ship fitting understandings that we'll be ready to look for a player corp in 0.0

Then again, I have no idea what the expected roles of members are for corps, or for that matter how corps function. :)
 
Corps usually operate via taxes. They can set a tax rate -- average is 20% or so I believe. Everytime you get bounty for killing rats, doing missions, etc -- 20% of it goes to the 'corp'.

That may sound like a lot, but maintaining a corp in 0.0 space is VERY expensive. There are a lot of benefits you get to being there, so its only right that you 'pay your share' of maintenance cost.
 
I'm OK with taxes. Its not uncommon in other MMORPGS, but the utility of the taxes was pretty limited.

Here it sounds like it directly affects the size the corp can grow and the utility then provided.

I hope to find a corp that will allow me access to asteroid belts that aren't packed with miners or empty. The idea is to sell my ore to the corp, or give a % to the corp for the use of their protected belts. Not sure if such things exist, but that's the direction I'm looking.
 
Actually, in my experience, minerals are easy to come by. More people rat (kill the NPC pirates in the belts). They have good bounties out in nullsec (between 1 and 2 mil per pirate).
 
Those are battleship sized, and take considerably longer to kill than a frigate, but still its much more money. You can make anywhere from 30-150 million per hour ratting.
 
Well, 150 is exaggerated unless you get an officer spawn =D

20-50 is more accurate tbh and even 50 is on the high end. But yes, ratting is much more profitable in 0.0 than it is in high or low sec.
 
Yeah I'd say 50 is extremely high, you'd have to have nine triple 1.85mil BS spawns per hour to make 50mil. Granted I haven't ratted in a couple years, but I have never seen a chain like that when I still did rat.

A bunch of 0.0 corps also charge a membership fee in lieu of taxes, which is generally a better approach as many players don't actually rat and would thus not create any income for the corp. It's also common, at least in my experience, for members to pay more than they are asked to into the corp. For example, the membership fee is 30mil/month, and folks drop 50mil, or 100mil into the corp wallet. When the corp succeeds, you succeed.
 
Yea, I was thinking a good officer or sometimes even faction spawn can bump it up to a ton :) but 30-50 without officers/faction is good.
 
That definitely sounds like a plan to me.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if Level1 Quality 18 missions are better than Level 2 Quality -18.

There are definitely more ships in level 2 missions, and they definitely take more than 2 to 3 missiles to take down, but I'm not really feeling the money for the effort matches the Level 1 Quality 18 runs.

Now that I'm out of the 100% learning speed, my plans for the weekend have been...delayed. :)
 
Direwolf20 said:
Yea, I was thinking a good officer or sometimes even faction spawn can bump it up to a ton :) but 30-50 without officers/faction is good.
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I've had one Officer spawn, and it netted me 1.3 billion ISK... ended up getting a fairly rare schematic for a ship (can't remember which one off the top of my head, it's been a while) and it sold for 850 million ISK. I also got 9 faction drops which sold anywhere from 2 million ISK to 100 million ISK, depending on usefulness and relative quality of the item.

The worst Faction spawn I've had netted me jack crap, LOL. I think I ended up selling all the items from the worst drop for maybe 3 million ISK total. Officers are pretty sweet, but oh-so-difficult to find. :) Faction is a bit more common in 0.0 (you might find one in 8 hours' ratting time) than Officer (you might find one per month ratting 8 hours a day.) Faction guys can still drop some sweet gear that sells for a ton, so don't ever stop trying! :)
 
HammerAZ said:
That definitely sounds like a plan to me.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if Level1 Quality 18 missions are better than Level 2 Quality -18.

There are definitely more ships in level 2 missions, and they definitely take more than 2 to 3 missiles to take down, but I'm not really feeling the money for the effort matches the Level 1 Quality 18 runs.

Now that I'm out of the 100% learning speed, my plans for the weekend have been...delayed. :)
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Level 2 will always be better than Level 1.... Level 3 will always be better than Level 2. The only difference that might matter is if you can run two or three Level 1 missions in the time it'll take you to run one Level 2 mission. Depending on which missions you get this can vary widely, so make sure you know what types of missions you prefer and stick with agents of the proper division to ensure you keep getting the types of missions which net you the best profit over time. (I personally preferred Security, but Command is also good if you don't have a lot of options in a particular area.)

If you list what faction you're with (which one you're earning the most rep with) we can probably assist you in picking out the appropriate agents to work with. Lots of people work with Caldari Navy (good agents, near Jita, some agents are in optimal locations for good profits) so you might want to consider switching if you are Caldari, but not working with Caldari Navy.
 
In a Caracal once you get your Caldari Cruiser skill (it boosts damage of kinetic missiles and the velocity of all missiles) to 4, and Missile Projection and Missile Bombardment to 4 you should notice a much better range - probably close to 50km using an Assault Launcher.

My first impulse is to tell you to use Heavy Missile launchers with a Caracal. You get I think exactly twice the range out of them over standards - so nearly 100km with those skills (!) - however if the missions you are running still involve killing a lot of frigate sized craft the Assaults are probably better because they will hit for full damage. Its been 2+ years since ive run a mission of any kind so I dont really remember what you run into.

Now with the Omen standards are probably a good choice. Standard crystals are as you might expect are right down the middle in terms of range and damage, with the added bonus of being the most efficient (uses the least cap) and often the cheapest crystals to buy. As you swap out crystals that do more damage, range decreases and vice versa. Also as you head to one extreme or another (multifrequency for damage, or radio for range) cap usage also increases. Its easy to run out of cap when you are new and dont have those skills trained up yet.

Similarly with the Moa you can probably get away with using the heavier ammunition types (Antimatter or Plutonium). This will drastically lower your optimal range, but the Moa ship bonus will help to offset this. Most guns wont hit as hard as a missile, but they tend to fire much faster, and you dont have to wait several seconds for a gun to hit.
 
Another issue to consider (and we are really getting way off the BoB is dead topic here) is that it may not be worth your time to rat. Let's for argument's sake say you get 32 million per hour ratting (you better have great skills, a good fit, and good luck to get that). So it would take you 10 hours to gain 320 million.

Alternatively you can spend $15, but a PLEX from CCP, and sell it to other players for 320 million. You time would have to be worth $1.50 per hour, or less, to make ratting worth doing.
 
Well I reupped my account - thanks guys :)

Anyways loaded up my character that is doing level 2 mission for Federation (or Federal?) Navy. My question is this: I am Caldari yet some of my missions are against Caldari - will that mess anything up in the future?

Thanks
 
riot8ap said:
My question is this: I am Caldari yet some of my missions are against Caldari - will that mess anything up in the future?
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Are you sure it is against the Caldari state and not some criminal organization? For example, I do missions for Fed Intel for the Gallente state. I often fight the Serpentis criminalorganization who are of Gallente origin and fly Gallente ships. However, the Serp are enemies of the Gallente and therefore I do not suffer a standings hit when I kill Serps.
 
Mad Cat said:
Are you sure it is against the Caldari state and not some criminal organization? For example, I do missions for Fed Intel for the Gallente state. I often fight the Serpentis criminalorganization who are of Gallente origin and fly Gallente ships. However, the Serp are enemies of the Gallente and therefore I do not suffer a standings hit when I kill Serps.
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I think you are right - they are criminal organizations that fly Caldari ships. However, I still have negative rating for Caldari for some reason, my social skills are on the only reason I'm on the plus side. Just wondering if this is a bad thing - dunno if it will limit the areas I can travel in?
 
There are indeed some missions that put you against the real factions, it's always best to turn those down and pull another one. I you pull another faction one you should just wait the four hours. If you plan out the corporation you run missions for well enough, you can just use a different agent nearby while you wait for your primary one. www.eve-agents.com is a great place to figure out a good corporation with lots of high quality agents in a certain area.
 
Thanks for that site - turns out I've been working for the Gallente all along. I feel like a dirty double crosser lol..Would it behoove me to switch to Caldari State asap?
 
It really doesn't matter unless you're roleplaying (please don't :p). But if your standing gets too low with one faction you will be shot on site in their space, so just turn them all down and you'll never have to worry.
 
Well, it does matter for which corp you run missions because ultimately the rewards differ somewhat (the stuff you can buy for loyalty points) AND more importantly some corporations do not have high enough quality agents to be worth your time. In addition, the high-end systems for Caldari Navy tend to be more laggy than others because so many people run Caldari Navy level 4 missions in Motsu.

My recommendation would be to run missions for Ministry of War (Amarr) because they have an L4 Quality 20 agent in a highsec system that is rarely populated with more than 30 players.
 
BoB is back!

Gotta love Sir Molle, I mean even if you don't like BoB, you have got to love him, really makes me wonder what he does in RL for a living.

SirMolle's Silence! thread on EVE-O

SirMolle said:
2 months has passed. 2 months since apparant flaws in a gamemechanic no one knew existed got abused, and we lost our name, all our sov, and the mad rush for Delve began.

Our invasion of the Goons backdoor and backwater space, got abruptly halted, and the decision was made to try and stop the mad dash from half of EVE by ourselves with GBC only as our help. There was no way we were going to let go of the hold we had over the space we started conquering. AAA/Atlas/ROL and Stainwagon stayed behind to finish the job.

It became apparant after a few days, that we would not be able to hold onto Delve, with the mad rush from everyone to try and spam towers. Unfortunately it only takes 1 person and a couple of hours to anchor 5 towers per day, and it takes a full fleet 2 days to kill the same towers. We still decided to see if we could delay the invasion long enough, so that our friends could finish off Impass/Eso and Feyth. With the PR- lockdown, we got stopped for a few weeks, and instead we focused to move ourselves out, to prepare for the retaking. In the process, we sacrificed about 400 POS with gear. The cost was well worth it.

The wait begins. Every day I get asked if we want help, and if AAA/Atlas/ROL and Stainwagon should come to our aid. Every day we say "no, finish the job first".

A couple of weeks ago the wait was over, and our brothers in arms were ready to stand beside us to face the onslaught. We are ready to greet the massive blob, with a blob of our own. Its a pretty sight to see, a rabid mass of pilots, all hungering for the enemies explosions.

After the first few weeks, and ending with the massive gathering in 49-u with 1800 pilots in local, whereof 1400 was on our side;

* TCF went back home to "protect their hi-end moons". Goons think they are coming back in a week at the most after their "break".


* Morsus Mihi got split into half, by their old leader saying "**** this", and quitting to reform into something else then what Morsus Mihi has become.


* Pandemic Legion who have been running the show, are questioning their own existense, and why they are doing this, and for who.


* Razor are trying to find a shoulder to lean on, since their own shoulders are not wide enough.


* Goons are hiding participation problems by spamming forums and flying rifters.


* KIA are frantically trying to keep apparances up, and losing capitals at every turn when they try to use them.



Everyone of the above think they will get all the namnam hi-end moons to keep, and none of them will.

Today, the first fought over station fell back into our hands, 49-u6u where there has been a constant blob and constant fighting for the last weeks, is ours.

No POS-spam, strontmanaging nor hostile blobs could stop us. It could only delay us, and make us work for it. Thats all you can do now, delay us. No sov levels, no POS-spam, no strontmanaging, no blobs can stop us. We are after your blood.

We *will* kill you.
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If that doesn't make you want to join BoB ...

What is true for sure is that PL is starting to turtle in Fountain.
If you look at PL 18 months ago they were roaming HAC pricks. Much has changed since then, and wham bam, today they have 11+ Titans while only holding a very small number of systems with very valuable moons. It's utterly surprising that no one went for PL when there still was time. Now it will be too late too soon. The worthless Bulgarians are getting cash from PL to create a captial, that's how much ISK PL has to give away.

Delve will be forgotten soon enough, the new war will happen in Fountain!
 
Thuleman said:
BoB is back!

Gotta love Sir Molle, I mean even if you don't like BoB, you have got to love him, really makes me wonder what he does in RL for a living.

SirMolle's Silence! thread on EVE-O



If that doesn't make you want to join BoB ...

What is true for sure is that PL is starting to turtle in Fountain.
If you look at PL 18 months ago they were roaming HAC pricks. Much has changed since then, and wham bam, today they have 11+ Titans while only holding a very small number of systems with very valuable moons. It's utterly surprising that no one went for PL when there still was time. Now it will be too late too soon. The worthless Bulgarians are getting cash from PL to create a captial, that's how much ISK PL has to give away.

Delve will be forgotten soon enough, the new war will happen in Fountain!
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Yeah that was a pretty awesome thread, especially the part where they lost around 50 capitals three hours after it was posted. This is also a good read:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/66378

Sir Repair Man should really just say nothing, it always just blows up in his face. But it would be so much more boring if he did. :D
 
The Mittani writings just don't do it for me. They lack grand standing, and thus entertainment value. Pair that with the mandatory spin throughout them and you got yourself an average Goons EVE-O post at best, even if TTH publishes it.

Regardless of truth content, Sir Molle's posts are simply more entertaining for my taste, though I will agree that different people have different views on it.

Sir Molle reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister, and that guy was Saturday Night Live material (they should have hired him, seriously). Mittani needs some help with presentation, imho.
 
OldPueblo said:
Yeah that was a pretty awesome thread, especially the part where they lost around 50 capitals three hours after it was posted. This is also a good read:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/66378

Sir Repair Man should really just say nothing, it always just blows up in his face. But it would be so much more boring if he did. :D
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yea, this was my favorite part.

im no longer affiliated with MM or the NC, so i dont really have strong feelings on this matter, however i still carry my hatred of bob and my support of the goons/anything anti-bob. took a break after MAX was over, quit the fleet warfare nonsense and joined an empire pvp corp for high sec griefing. its quite fun and prevented my burnout from continuing.

to carry a bit of stupidity over to this topic, ill say this:
OldPueblo is da best Pueblo!
and also
Thuleman is da best.... Man....!
/end stupdity

its nice seeing non-coad style posting migrate to [H] with regards to eve.
thanks you two for keeping the eve threads on here relevant and classy.
 
i empire pvp corp for high sec griefing

That sounds like fun, can someone splain, please?
 
OldPueblo said:
The "whiny populace" generally lives in empire and are easy pickings for anyone that takes advantage of EVE's harsh climate. The crime and punishment section of the forums are nice to read now and then for all the tears. Case in point:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1048640

That's possibly just a troll but if so it's a good example of the norm. :D
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LOL... I gotta stay away from there. Okay, I get it. Anything goes. I was hoping to learn some of the finer points and I got this (see post 3 for lol):

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1048857 [edit] probably only funny to me, whatever
 
2 months has passed. 2 months since apparant flaws in a gamemechanic no one knew existed got abused, and we lost our name, all our sov, and the mad rush for Delve began.

Our invasion of the Goons backdoor and backwater space, got abruptly halted, and the decision was made to try and stop the mad dash from half of EVE by ourselves with GBC only as our help. There was no way we were going to let go of the hold we had over the space we started conquering. AAA/Atlas/ROL and Stainwagon stayed behind to finish the job.

It became apparant after a few days, that we would not be able to hold onto Delve, with the mad rush from everyone to try and spam towers. Unfortunately it only takes 1 person and a couple of hours to anchor 5 towers per day, and it takes a full fleet 2 days to kill the same towers. We still decided to see if we could delay the invasion long enough, so that our friends could finish off Impass/Eso and Feyth. With the PR- lockdown, we got stopped for a few weeks, and instead we focused to move ourselves out, to prepare for the retaking. In the process, we sacrificed about 400 POS with gear. The cost was well worth it.

The wait begins. Every day I get asked if we want help, and if AAA/Atlas/ROL and Stainwagon should come to our aid. Every day we say "no, finish the job first".

A couple of weeks ago the wait was over, and our brothers in arms were ready to stand beside us to face the onslaught. We are ready to greet the massive blob, with a blob of our own. Its a pretty sight to see, a rabid mass of pilots, all hungering for the enemies explosions.

After the first few weeks, and ending with the massive gathering in 49-u with 1800 pilots in local, whereof 1400 was on our side;

* TCF went back home to "protect their hi-end moons". Goons think they are coming back in a week at the most after their "break".


* Morsus Mihi got split into half, by their old leader saying "**** this", and quitting to reform into something else then what Morsus Mihi has become.


* Pandemic Legion who have been running the show, are questioning their own existense, and why they are doing this, and for who.


* Razor are trying to find a shoulder to lean on, since their own shoulders are not wide enough.


* Goons are hiding participation problems by spamming forums and flying rifters.


* KIA are frantically trying to keep apparances up, and losing capitals at every turn when they try to use them.



Everyone of the above think they will get all the namnam hi-end moons to keep, and none of them will.

Today, the first fought over station fell back into our hands, 49-u6u where there has been a constant blob and constant fighting for the last weeks, is ours.

No POS-spam, strontmanaging nor hostile blobs could stop us. It could only delay us, and make us work for it. Thats all you can do now, delay us. No sov levels, no POS-spam, no strontmanaging, no blobs can stop us. We are after your blood.

We *will* kill you.
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Although I find it interesting to read this stuff... life really is too short. Imagine what this guy could do in real life with all that energy put into a game... nothing to show but pixels for all that time? Glad I've moved on to more productive things.
 
^ like listening to music? Circle of Sharks perhaps? ;) It's all in the enjoyment of the thing.
 
eggrock said:
^ like listening to music? Circle of Sharks perhaps? ;) It's all in the enjoyment of the thing.
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you're right... and it did sound trollish - so i apologize for that. i do have an active account too...
 
No blood, no foul. And who knows, maybe I'll like that band and we'll all be better off. Good music is so hard to find...
 
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