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Discussion in 'AMD Processors' started by DuronBurgerMan, Apr 14, 2017.
Well that's a lot of typing for being wrong.
What did I get wrong?
You attempted to have a logical conversation in the land of holy wars. Don't like Ryzen then dont but one.
I was disappointed that it did not perform felatio as well.
I'm sure plenty of that goes on in the marketing dept. at AMD. Guess they figured they didn't need to add it as a feature.
A few users reported better performance despite the lower memory clock after the agesa update, but I suppose that may have come from elsewhere.
Agesa update lowered memory latency (by 6ns IIRC). Some performance improvements came from that... but no good if it also breaks your RAM overclock.
It's a Beta Product
No it isn't. It's a completely new architecture. Gonna have some growing pains.
Feature Set is Lacking
You gave no examples, other than 64gb of ram. which is a complete non point.
It's a Just an 8 Core Sandy Bridge with Better SMT
You contradict yourself here, saying with optomization, it will be between Haswell-E and Broadwell-E... which cost twice as much.
Overclocking is Crap
Deal with it. OCing isn't a guarantee.
Optimizations Won't Fix This
Sure they can.
There Ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch
So you mean having options is a bad thing..... riiight.
AMD is Competing on Price, Not Performance
Bullshit. Right now AMD is killing it on both for anyone that uses their PC for something other than gaming. And Ryzen 3 and the APU lineup will be the value KING if they keep on this trend.
Wasn't this bad with Intel. You'd have to go all the way back to the P3 1.13 to find a f*ckup this bad in Intel's stack.
It's not a non-point. It's a major issue for heavy workstation use. You need gobs of RAM for that duty. Hell, I was scrimping by going with 32. I really should have bought 64. If you do a lot of work in 3dsmax, you'll hit that ceiling quick. Hell, even After Effects and Premiere can easily use more than that.
Also, SATA support is weaker. And good luck trying to run dual NVMe drives and a decent GPU. You'll run out of lanes.
No, only in certain ideal throughput scenarios, with maximum multi-threaded support, do you see this. Gaming doesn't even approach that level of throughput. Much more latency dependent, and in latency dependent tasks, Ryzen is basically Sandy Bridge. Juanrga put it this way: in gaming and latency sensitive tasks, Ryzen is Sandy-like. In heavy throughput tasks, Ryzen is Haswell-like.
AMD said that with Bulldozer too, we all know how that ended up.
I wish AMD did better. I really do. Don't take any of this sh*t as an endorsement of Intel -- I have a beef with them, too. I'm sick of these 5% IPC and clock rate bumps. Ryzen may be a Sandy Bridge, or more charitably, a Haswell in some circumstances. But it's not like Intel really distanced itself from SB either. The Kaby Lake is what, 20-30% better IPC? Blech.
They will be the VALUE king. That's what I mean. They will be great budget CPUs, but not really Performance CPUs.
Sure, it doesn't have the bells and whistles you want. How 'bout we make sure that only systems that can support 12 SATA devices are available? Or mandate that USB 3.1 is necessary on all new products? Otherwise, don't waste your money, because someone may want to run a NAS off that board without having to buy an add-on card AND at the same time plug in a super-fast USB device that doesn't yet exist?
I laugh every time I see this. So what if 4.0Ghz is the OC ceiling? I don't care if you come out with a chip that can be OC'd to 10Ghz, if it doesn't perform as well. There are plenty of 3.5-4.0Ghz + processors out there, that do not perform nearly as well as Ryzen or Kaby Lake. Clock speed DOES NOT equal performance. If it performs as good or better at a lower clock speed, then it's an equal or better processor, regardless of overclocking.
You forget the 6x series chipset debacle. Causing data corruption and loss on hard drives. It was so bad that Intel had to stop selling the product and Sandy Bridge processors for nearly half a year until they could get it figured out and fixed. Nothing that AMD is doing now is causing that kind of wide-spread damage.
AMD is positioning it as a Broadwell-E alternative. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter as much.
Sure. The 9590 was an overclocked 5GHz chip AMD would sell you... and it sucked. But if Ryzen has vaguely Sandy-to-Haswell like IPC and only clocks to 4 GHz... it's not going to stand up next to a Kaby Lake or a Broadwell in any metric except price. Or, rather, cores for the dollar.
You have spent the last 6 weeks defending Ryzen to the hilt, now you don't like it. So were you talking BS then or now?
Ryzen 7 and x370 are not the competitor to x99 - anyone who thinks that it is deluded, its been posted in other threads that R7 and x370 is designed to compete with the feature set of z270, the fact that the cpu has more cores is just a bonus. The x99 equivalent parts will not be out until later in the year
I got pretty damned pissed about the recent BIOS f*ckup, and I think Juanrga and some other folks who were saying similar to what I just did essentially proved me wrong. I defended it, and they proved I was wrong to do so. That's what changed.
X99 launch was terrible
More lanes than Z270
Agreed, but it wasn't meant to compete with Sky or Kaby, it was going for throughput.
I agree, would have been badass to see them hit more, but they're still damn potent.
Not even a comparison heh
Agreed, but they also have the potential to kick intels teeth in with some more refinements and the roumors of the new chipset with quad channel, and possible 16/32 consumer CPU
Its disappointing to read this, cause this is basically a summary of the flaws of Ryzen that every review I've heard has mentioned.
Did you decide to eat up AMD's marketing wholesale?
The only reason your disillusioned is because you ate up the marketing, the fanboy dreams, and when the product came out, your dreams were crushed.
Look it happens. Just remember to underestimate, don't believe the hype. And wait for reviews.
Was it really this bad? Weekly BIOS updates, monthly microcode updates, and huge RAM compatibility issues?
I keep hoping so. But I'm as tired of AMD hype and rumors as I am of the snail's pace of Intel's 'advancements'. Maybe this is just the first iteration, and things will improve. But I've zero faith in either company at this point.
Never thought of myself as an AMD fanboy. But in this instance, I wanted to see competition in the market again, and perhaps I imagined it where it didn't really exist.
Oh yeah lol
I lol'd at this, even though burning up $1500 worth of parts is decidedly NOT funny.
Well at least we can give Ryzen that. It didn't blow up or melt any motherboards yet.
This thread... smh.
You mean is doesn't suck?
Yeah... maybe I'm overreacting a bit. But I'm seeing this sh*t in an entirely different light now. Rose-colored enthusiast glasses came off.
That's what 480's were for.
Ryzen was really nice comeback and a great start for new architecture. For that reason I'm extremely interested to see how they can improve. If they manage to squeeze out little bit more IPC while improving the clock speeds... Things get really interesting.
Their software is in beta stage and there are lots of issues that hinder the performance and compatibility. That's one reason why I'll pass. I'll wait for this new platform to mature. Ryzen refresh shouldn't have as much firmware, driver and software issues.
What? Let me guess you didn't have your SandyBridge MB recalled?
Nope. WTH, man? Have the Gods of Computing been watching over my builds or something? I mean f*ck... No problems with my SB build. No problems with this build except sh*tty AMD microcode updates.
But... apparently everyone else has tons of problems. That sucks, man.
The B3 recall was only one of the biggest recalls in history lmao.
Btw... and the rumor is they are using NDA to quash rumors... lol ironic.
And somehow I missed it, because my sh*t worked fine and I stopped paying attention afterward.
Or maybe your clueless and lucked out and got in after the B3 fiasco. Ignorance is bliss they say.
I bought in pretty early. Few weeks after release date, IIRC. Now I'm wondering if my mobo was supposed to be recalled. It was having some bizarre issues toward the end of its life.
Doesn't surprise me.
What I can gather from posts like this is that the only good CPUs Intel makes are 7700k and 6900k and everything else is worthless crap. I don't know why they bother with other models at all and AMD has no place whatsoever.
From my perspective Ryzen was a chance for AMD to get back in the game after taking an extended hiatus after the fallout from Bulldozer.
Many declared AMD dead after that fiasco and that some major corporations were just waiting in the wings to scoop them up. I didn't see it this way, I thought they were just biding there time, but at the same time they knew they fucked up with BD and tried to spin it that Windows and games were the reason behind it's downfall(sound familiar?).
And all the fanboi's were saying; "You just wait and see." And so we waited and waited for Piledriver to fix this debauchery. Most people knew it would be more of the same, but leave it to AMD to get the hype train rolling, and giving people hope. And I think that's AMD's greatest downfall, all the hype that they spew.
Look at how many times AMD fans have been burned, Phenom I, Bulldozer, Piledriver, Fiji, Mantle, TrueAudio, Polaris.
Most AMD fans wanted Ryzen to triumph, but were still remembering the past hype when they failed to deliver.
So when Ryzen debuted, a lot of fans got more then they expected, and some were still reminded of BD.
But it was enough to get prior Intel only users that haven't had a AMD chip since the A64 to consider Ryzen for a new build, I've seen peeps "upgrade" from
6800k/3930k/4770k for whatever reason just to have a taste of AMD again.
Is this just some weekend fuck? Nah, Ryzen is great if you can utilize all those cores and threads.
Is it the end all /be all gaming rig? Nah, but at least it can hold it's own compared to the flagship Intel chips.
If your going to whine and cry over 120FPS vs 142FPS, then Ryzen wasn't meant for you.
What I like about Ryzen is the simple fact it fills in all the gaps in Intel's lineup, never before could you get 8c16t for this price, unless you go to fleabay looking for used Xeons.
And that's what makes this great, because now we have competition in the CPU world, and competition means more technological innovation to be had, instead of 6+ years of stagnant gains.
LOL @ used Xeons. "Hey man, wanna buy some Xeons?"
I waited till they started selling mobos with a big fat orange B3 on the box.
Don't recall saying any of that. I do recall saying AMD is offering a good budget CPU, but can't really compete with Intel on performance. I recall praising the 7700k and the 6900k, but I do not recall sh*tting on the rest of the lineup.
Look in the 1366 overclocking thread in the Intel forum, plenty of peeps tossing out their 920's for $50 and under 6c12t Xeons.