BioWare Employee Celebrates and Mocks TotalBiscuit’s Death

I hope that piece of shit and his entire family are doxxed to hell and back, and I'm sure they will be.
 
tetris42 said:
Bioware's just winning all the PR battles these days, huh?
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So one employee of a company has a shitty opinion and that makes you dislike the employer even more? Tell me how that makes sense?

I don't give a fuck about Totalbiscuit and I never even knew who he was (and frankly I could care less), but to lump in someone's employer over the opinion of one employee makes no sense.
 
How much of a bunch of worthless failures did this guys parents have to be to produce such a waste of a person. Seriously that mans parents should hang their head in shame. Not speaking ill of the dead (barring Pol Pot/Stalin type monsters) is just basic human decency, seriously when we lose the thread to that it lowers us all as a species.
 
zamardii12 said:
This sort of selective outrage is best kept for people who deserve. Ruining someone's life and their family's is not justice and not fair. Tone down your harshness more than a couple notches...
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Nope, there needs to be real consequences to this sort of behavior which has become so rampant these days. I'd happily break his jaw if he was standing in front of me. Once upon a time that was what was the very least of what was expected to befall people who were so blatantly vile.
 
Smashing Young Man said:
I hope that piece of shit and his entire family are doxxed to hell and back, and I'm sure they will be.
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He lost his job and is most likely blacklisted in the game industry. I think that's more than enough retribution for being a douche like that. You should NEVER wish for people, or their family, to be doxxed. That makes you as much of a bad person as him.
 
Derangel said:
He lost his job and is most likely blacklisted in the game industry. I think that's more than enough retribution for being a douche like that. You should NEVER wish for people, or their family, to be doxxed. That makes you as much of a bad person as him.
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Moral relativism fail.
 
Smashing Young Man said:
Nope, there needs to be real consequences to this sort of behavior which has become so rampant these days. I'd happily break his jaw if he was standing in front of me. Once upon a time that was what was the very least of what was expected to befall people who were so blatantly vile.
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There are real consequences. When tragedy befalls that asshole or his family and friends, and it will sooner or later, (tragedy visits us all eventually), what can he say when people openly rejoice at his misfortune?
I am openly rejoicing that he is likely to lose his job. No need to involve his family.
 
zamardii12 said:
So one employee of a company has a shitty opinion and that makes you dislike the employer even more? Tell me how that makes sense?
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The thing is, this isn't the first time. Bioware has had a number of employees lately that have been shitty people to others online. Of course that doesn't mean they are responsible, but it does lead some people to question if they are hiring people like that on purpose, or at least with knowledge. I mean sometimes people are really good at looking very professional, but concealing their true shitty nature, but usually there's warning signs.

Personally I don't really care, I dislike Bioware because they don't seem to be able to make good games anymore :p.
 
Smashing Young Man said:
Nope, there needs to be real consequences to this sort of behavior which has become so rampant these days. I'd happily break his jaw if he was standing in front of me. Once upon a time that was what was the very least of what was expected to befall people who were so blatantly vile.
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So your answer to someone's shitty comment (about someone you don't even know either) is to assault them? I really hope you don't or ever have kids.

Did the life of Totalbiscuit effect you one way or the other? I never even heard of that person until Reddit mentioned he died. Guess what, thousands of people die every day you don't know shit about and others hold opinions that you don't like about possibly people you do like, so why do you care so much to say you'd punch a person because they thought a person who recently died had shitty opinions (could very well be true for all I know).
 
Sonicks said:
Why do people think this kind of stuff is “not classy” or “distasteful”?

You don’t get a pass for dying. You don’t suddenly become the best version of yourself for dying. If you were an asshole to people those people don’t have to accept your best traits just because you died.

They should get to keep their opinion they had of you when dead as they did when you were alive.
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Yeah but gloating over someones death is distasteful. Total Biscuit wasn't a serial killer or the dictator of a brutal regime. He was a game reviewer who was sometimes a huge jerk. You don't have to love him or act like a saint because he passed but a decent person would be respectful and at least feel empathy for those who loved him and will mourn his loss. It's just part of being a decent human.



"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee" -John Donne
 
Sycraft said:
The thing is, this isn't the first time. Bioware has had a number of employees lately that have been shitty people to others online. Of course that doesn't mean they are responsible, but it does lead some people to question if they are hiring people like that on purpose, or at least with knowledge. I mean sometimes people are really good at looking very professional, but concealing their true shitty nature, but usually there's warning signs.

Personally I don't really care, I dislike Bioware because they don't seem to be able to make good games anymore :p.
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The recently shut down Bioware Montreal apparently specifically hired based on minority status and political beliefs. Most of those people are long gone though. I doubt EA kept more than a handful of talented people from the studio when they shut it down. Haven't heard of anything like that from the main studio, but who know. After EA inevitably shuts down Bioware I imagine we'll see some reports on what it was like to work there and internal hiring practices and all that.
 
kinjo said:
Yeah but gloating over someones death is distasteful. Total Biscuit wasn't a serial killer or the dictator of a brutal regime. He was a game reviewer who was sometimes a huge jerk. You don't have to love him or act like a saint because he passed but a decent person would be respectful and at least feel empathy for those who loved him and will mourn his loss. It's just part of being a decent human.
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I don't agree at all. In fact, death makes no difference to me with respect to a person and what I think of them. If other people want to mourn the life of someone who they never knew (thousands of people die every day that we don't know) then that's on you, but don't expect people to hush up just so you don't feel upset. Totalbiscuit after my brief Google research over the last 5 minutes was just 1 voice among millions of others out there giving their opinion, and frankly would not and does not affect me in the least but that's likely due to the fact that I don't read, listen, or watch anything regarding opinions or reviews of games. In fact, I found quite a few things Totalbiscuit said that are downright shitty and stupid. If you live on the internet as he undoubtedly did, then he is open to as much if not more scrutiny as the videogames he bitched about.

Frankly, all of this is about as stupid to me as when people get all emotional over celebrity deaths. Equally pointless and stupid in my opinion. Life is too short for me to worry about people I don't know... especially people who I know nothing about who they really are.
 
So the old adage is meant to be followed?."De mortuis nil nisi bonum"

Presumably all those that vilify such "nice" people" such as Adolf Hitler, Sadam Hussein , Idi Amin, and a list too long to mention are being right nasty. Welcome to Hypochrite World. Where the Twitterati, the Facebookers et Al let their fake rage out.
 
kinjo said:
Yeah but gloating over someones death is distasteful. Total Biscuit wasn't a serial killer or the dictator of a brutal regime. He was a game reviewer who was sometimes a huge jerk. You don't have to love him or act like a saint because he passed but a decent person would be respectful and at least feel empathy for those who loved him and will mourn his loss. It's just part of being a decent human.



"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee" -John Donne
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You're the second person to make an extreme comparison with TotalBiscuit and a killer, dictator, or war criminal. At the end of the day it makes no difference how extreme the 'atrocity' is perceived to the 'victim(s)' other than whether or not the majority agrees that there was such an atrocity in the first place. Here it is evident that nobody really gives a shit about BioWare and instead hold more value in the death of someone they didn't personally know. Therefore there was no atrocity to justify 'celebrating' TB's death.

Again, I'm not defending the BioWare guy, I'm simply pointing out that he gets to have his say, no matter how unpopular it is, and still not be wrong about it. It's an unpopular opinion. The mistake, it seems, was posting this opinion publicly on Twitter. Nobody here should ever pretend like they've never spoken ill about someone alive or dead. We're human. We can be decent but we're mostly not.
 
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Sonicks said:
You're the second person to make an extreme comparison with TotalBiscuit and a killer, dictator, or war criminal. At the end of the day it makes no difference how extreme the 'atrocity' is perceived to the 'victim(s)' other than whether or not the majority agrees that there was such an atrocity in the first place. Here it is evident that nobody really gives a shit about BioWare and instead hold more value in the death of someone they didn't personally know. Therefore there was no atrocity to justify 'celebrating' TB's death.

Again, I'm not defending the BioWare guy, I'm simply pointing out that he gets to have his say, no matter how unpopular it is, and still not be wrong about it. It's an unpopular opinion.
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Oh please. The jackass is only feeling that way because people rightly criticized the bad games he worked on. There is a mature and rational way to handle that. Acting like an edgy child and celebrating the death of a person is pretty far away from that. Beyond that, people of his political standing have constantly lied and misrepresented pretty much everything TB has ever said. Its not like there are not legitment things to talk about in regards to negative things TB has said or done, but his "side" paints everyone not themselves as absolute monsters and actively wants them, and their loved ones, to suffer horrible fates. So fuck that douchebag. I don't feel an ounce of pity for people that called him out and got him fired.
 
Sonicks said:
You're the second person to make an extreme comparison with TotalBiscuit and a killer, dictator, or war criminal. At the end of the day it makes no difference how extreme the 'atrocity' is perceived to the 'victim(s)' other than whether or not the majority agrees that there was such an atrocity in the first place. Here it is evident that nobody really gives a shit about BioWare and instead hold more value in the death of someone they didn't personally know. Therefore there was no atrocity to justify 'celebrating' TB's death.

Again, I'm not defending the BioWare guy, I'm simply pointing out that he gets to have his say, no matter how unpopular it is, and still not be wrong about it. It's an unpopular opinion.
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First, I did not compare total biscuit and a killer/dictator/war criminal I said that he was not a killer/war criminal/dictator which is a pretty easily verifiable point of fact.

Second if you are trying to say anything he did was comparable you are an idiot.

Third this has nothing to do with people valuing total biscuit on a personal level it's about having basic respect for other human beings, if you had anything equating to a decent upbringing by good people you would understand that.

Fourth people going to jail and people dying are not the same thing. and finally the people that would mock/celebrate the death of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump are both wrong, neither Trump or Clinton are great people both they also are not inhuman monsters if we delight in their passing we only diminish ourselves as people.
 
Derangel said:
So fuck that douchebag. I don't feel an ounce of pity for people that called him out and got him fired.
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Right there. Believe it or not, that same ill-willed sentiment makes no difference whether someone is alive or dead. Whether you're wishing them harm or simply happy that they 'got what's coming to them'. There is no difference.

It's all about perception.

Some people perceive death to be an holy sacred thing that is to be respected and others see it for what it is. Life happening. Anyone can die. No one is special for it. People think death is sacred because people are subconsciously projecting their insecurity about their own death and whether or not they'll be remembered in the glowing light they hope to be remembered by.
 
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zamardii12 said:
I don't agree at all. In fact, death makes no difference to me with respect to a person and what I think of them. If other people want to mourn the life of someone who they never knew (thousands of people die every day that we don't know) then that's on you, but don't expect people to hush up just so you don't feel upset. Totalbiscuit after my brief Google research over the last 5 minutes was just 1 voice among millions of others out there giving their opinion, and frankly would not and does not affect me in the least but that's likely due to the fact that I don't read, listen, or watch anything regarding opinions or reviews of games. In fact, I found quite a few things Totalbiscuit said that are downright shitty and stupid. If you live on the internet as he undoubtedly did, then he is open to as much if not more scrutiny as the videogames he bitched about.

Frankly, all of this is about as stupid to me as when people get all emotional over celebrity deaths. Equally pointless and stupid in my opinion. Life is too short for me to worry about people I don't know... especially people who I know nothing about who they really are.
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It's not about total biscuit it's about being a decent human being with enough couth and moral fiber to know better than to mock the death of another human. I can only hope when you pass the people that survive you have the decency to understand that.
 
Sonicks said:
Right there. Believe it or not, that same ill-willed sentiment makes no difference whether someone is alive or dead. Whether you're wishing them harm or simply happy that they 'got what's coming to them'. There is no difference.

It's all about perception.

Some people perceive death to be an holy sacred thing that is to be respected and others see it for what it is. Life happening. Anyone can die. No one is special for it. People think death is sacred because people are subconsciously projecting their insecurity about their own death and whether or not they'll be remembered in the glowing light they hope to be remembered by.
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Except I didn't say anything about him getting what's coming to him. I just said fuck him and I don't feel pity for him. I don't feel pity for anyone that posts stupid shit to the public and ends up losing their jobs or going to jail for it. People should know better and yet they do it anyway. So, whatever. I'm not going to waste the effort needed to feel sorry for him. The only thing I wish to happen to people like him is for them to pull their heads out of their asses and learn to think for themselves and not blindly follow whatever bullshit political circle jerk they are part of.
 
Who fucking cares? Totalbiscuit was a douche, and this guy is a douche. He is happy Bain died, and he's allowed to be. He's allowed to throw a "HOORAY THAT TOTALBISCUIT DOUCHE IS DEAD!" party because his opinion is valid, his feelings are valid, and fuck everyone who is trying to silence him.

I agree with Sonicks and Zamardii12. Just because you died doesn't mean people have to like you, venerate you, or say nice things about you.
 
lol, what a pussy... he had to wait until the guy died to say shit about him.... Couldn't do it when he was alive.
 
Daroller said:
Who fucking cares? Totalbiscuit was a douche, and this guy is a douche. He is happy Bain died, and he's allowed to be. He's allowed to throw a "HOORAY THAT TOTALBISCUIT DOUCHE IS DEAD!" party because his opinion is valid, his feelings are valid, and fuck everyone who is trying to silence him.
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TB being a douche is counter to what almost every single person that met him in person has to say. He could be a massive asshole on social media, something he admitted and tried to apologize for and fix, but douche is a bit far.

So he is allowed to have an opinion but no one is allowed to have an opinion on what he says? That is extremely hypocritical.

Edit: By the way, every opinion is not valid. Opinions bred by lies and half-truths are not at all valid and should be called out.
 
Derangel said:
He lost his job and is most likely blacklisted in the game industry. I think that's more than enough retribution for being a douche like that. You should NEVER wish for people, or their family, to be doxxed. That makes you as much of a bad person as him.
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Not just the game industry; all jobs ever, for the rest of his life, unless it's in fast food maybe. Every employer googles before hiring. There is literally zero benefit from posting anything, other than maybe pics of your kids, on any social media. People can't seem to resist.

I almost feel bad for the guy when he flushed his employment prospects down the toilet in 140 characters or less.
 
Micas99 said:
Not just the game industry; all jobs ever, for the rest of his life, unless it's in fast food maybe. Every employer googles before hiring. There is literally zero benefit from posting anything, other than maybe pics of your kids, on any social media. People can't seem to resist.

I almost feel bad for the guy when he flushed his employment prospects down the toilet in 140 characters or less.
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I've given up feeling pity for people that post stupid things on social media. Its not really worth the effort. If he has people that count on his paycheck, those are the ones I feel sorry for.
 
ArFLaserBear said:
It's fine to dislike someone even hate but go on a twitter hate spree like that after someones death is just distasteful. And I have a feeling it might hurt his carer, there's a lot of gamedevs and most aren't vocal about their buthurts... And no TB was not perfect or a saint but his family and friends doesn't need to be reminded so close to his passing....


You should never celebrate someones death, you can just choose to not mourn their passing and have respect for the rest of humanity by just shutting up.
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Well, that's not ENTIRELY true... lot's of people celebrated the death of Hitler. But that was Hitler, and Totalbiscuit, despite his flaws, was NEVER Hitler.
 
Unsurprisingly a man who worked on a supposedly SJW-fueled game (Mass Effect: Andromeda, a title I enjoyed by the way) is revealed to be a tantrummer deep down. Whether or not you accept that premise (that the game was ruined by SJWs), Bain (TotalBiscuit) actually was attacked by SJWs after his death ("Twitter users captured screenshots of SJWs attacking TotalBiscuit shortly after his passing.") So my point remains: here lies yet another hypocrite who can't handle criticism but is fine in saying whatever they (not he or she, to take from BattleTech) want as long as it remains in their echo chamber. So I repeat myself...not unexpected.
 
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So he worked on shitty games multiple times, and these were not simply viewed as shitty due to one person's review they were universally shitty, and then it's the reviewers fault.

Sometimes it's time to call a spade a spade, things you've worked on getting harshly criticized is probably that way for a reason.
 
Derangel said:
TB being a douche is counter to what almost every single person that met him in person has to say.
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I was not a follower or subscriber of his but I am aware of his work and from what I know and have seen he was a significant and positive force for the gaming community. Much of his "douchebaggery" was related to his role as a critic, and let's be honest...is not the profession of a critic known to attract acerbic personages? It reminds me a bit of Asimov's short story "Strikebreaker" where there is essentially a caste system in which even if you do a necessary job out of emergent need you are still stigmatized for it. In other words, he provided a service where he was bound to be a target, so any claimed "douchebaggery" on his part is certainly distinct from a random person on the Internet giving a lone prejudicial review.
 
kinjo said:
It's not about total biscuit it's about being a decent human being with enough couth and moral fiber to know better than to mock the death of another human. I can only hope when you pass the people that survive you have the decency to understand that.
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Even if you completely ignore that aspect - that is, being humane and respectful of the dead - the fact is that here you have a guy who has a known history of being unable to accept criticism (a significant flaw for any creator) who also has acted like he had the moral high ground. He's certainly free to say what he wants and maybe people are overreacting but that's besides the point; he's a hypocrite and, worse, someone who is willing to censor themselves to their own private echo chamber when they get called out on their bullshit. Whether from an emotional (you should respect the dead) or logical (be consistent, let your comments stand, or apologize) standpoint the dude deserves opprobrium.
 
just think of the outrage if someone from EA or Bioware rejoices on a death of a SJW crusader....i guarantee there will be full msm coverage, and a physical protest calling for the person's head. Oh, an a boycott campaign too.

this ridiculous inherent unfairness of the current SJW zeitgeist makes me ( and im sure alot of other people too) mad
 
Sonicks said:
To put it bluntly, I couldn't care less about BioWare games (they aren't my thing) and I don't know who this "TotalBiscuit" guy was.

Having said that: If an opinionated Youtube "critic" shat on BioWare games, then a member of the BioWare team who felt pride behind their work has ever reason to be upset. Whatever form that may be. He gets to feel the way he feels just as the critic felt his way did during his life. There is no difference between the two. People are just sensitive to death as if it something sacred.

I don't like critics because they somehow found a way to make a living literally judging other people's actual work.
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It's a video game. Do you get that? Dancing over the grave of someone who critiqued your videogame is OK to you? Then you're no better than this asshat. And no, death is not sacred, but it is the only thing in life that is final. Everything that person was is lost forever. Celebrating that is disgusting. The only case where being glad at someone's death is acceptable is if the person who died was an absolute menace to society who would've caused physical harm or death to others if left alive.

And criticism is important work. If there were no critics everyone would be in the dark about services and products. Service providers would not be compelled to create better products if everyone would have to buy it to find out if it was any good. So criticism is an important contribution to society whether you like it or not.
Also criticism is not limited to videogames or other products, it can be about every aspect of life, including criticising politics and state policies.
 
M76 said:
Also criticism is not limited to videogames or other products, it can be about every aspect of life, including criticising politics and state policies.
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Yes, It is the essential cornerstone of Democracy. However It appears selective speech seems to be more preferable to some people.
 
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zamardii12 said:
So one employee of a company has a shitty opinion and that makes you dislike the employer even more? Tell me how that makes sense?

I don't give a fuck about Totalbiscuit and I never even knew who he was (and frankly I could care less), but to lump in someone's employer over the opinion of one employee makes no sense.
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I'm not sure you were quoting the right person. I didn't say I dislike the employer even more, I said this is bad for PR. EA has a horrendous reputation of buying up studios, mismanaging them, then killing them off due to incompetence. They've been known to treat workers like sweatshops (like the EA wife story), they've killed off games like Battleforge and NFS World, and they've been at the forefront of the lootbox controversy of establishing the trend of turning a modern game you pay money for into a Skinner box casino. This is a company that has terrible PR.

Bioware's been getting attention for having a half-assed ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, dropping the ball on Andromeda (I haven't played it, but it apparently was loaded with bugs). They're not at the top of their game right now. So an employee publicly celebrating a game reviewer dying of cancer is more bad PR for them just from association. While I think EA is a piece of shit for real, tangible things, I don't have much of an opinion on Bioware, nor do I care what this idiot says, but I can see how it's just piling up on their bad PR. If you don't understand how the public at large can make a kneejerk guilty by association judgment from that, then you don't understand much about PR or group psychology.
 
I'll bet this idiot did not have any close friends or family who died from cancer.
This is not something you'd celebrate no matter how much you dislike the person.

No surprise he quickly became ex-employee of Bioware after it hit the media.
 
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