BGP? Gettign a T1

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We are getting a pair of bonded t1's at one of our locations, on the checklist there is an option for BGP, I have never seen these asked on any other agreement and my thoughts are no, I don't want this.

All I want to do is get an internet connection to my untangle box and the rest works over vpn/internet.
 
If it's a single connection, there's really no need.

If you had redundant circuits then it would become a consideration, especially if they were to different SPs.
 
You don't need it. For a simple internet connection like you are going to set up, BGP isn't neccessary.


Border Gateway Protocol is used for route selection for traffic when there are multiple paths available.

For example: I create a large web site with massive infrastructure expecting hundreds of thousands of hits per day. One of the things I do to encure access is to set up multiple access links through multiple carriers and then aggregate the traffic accross them so I have plenty of bandwidth that is set up so that my connection isn't dependent on a single carrier.

Should a carrier go down, I still have other vendors providing access to my site. BGP helps with this.
 
Thanks. Going to place the order now and get that ball rolling. 4-6 week lead time:(
 
I don't understand why. T1s are useless. We have 4xT1 bonded at my work and it's still crap.
Less jitter and usually lower latency than DSL or cable, dedicated bandwidth, better SLAs... I could go on and on here.

Networks aren't just about raw bps. We have a bunch of T1s at my site and they serve their purpose well.
 
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I don't understand why. T1s are useless. We have 4xT1 bonded at my work and it's still crap.

We currently use 4xT1's at my work as well. Currently waiting on a single mode fiber to ethernet converter and and then we're getting bumped up to 30mb / 30mb. Can't friggin' wait.
 
We currently use 4xT1's at my work as well. Currently waiting on a single mode fiber to ethernet converter and and then we're getting bumped up to 30mb / 30mb. Can't friggin' wait.

We just got 100mbit fiber through cogent. Still on contract with verizon for our 3xT1 - the fiber is sweet.
 
I don't understand why. T1s are useless. We have 4xT1 bonded at my work and it's still crap.

It was this or 768/384 dsl. Where this plant is, Charter/Raodrunner service the town, Oshkosh, but neither service the business park we are in. So the option is TDS Metrocom.
 
Then you're better off not knowing how it does actually work :D

But I agree, most people (especially power users) overestimate bandwidth requirements for an average business.
 
I wish telcos and everyone would get their act together and start moving people away from T1s

Metro Ethernet is the way everything is moving T1 is an old dieing technology...move on.

On topic you don't need to run BGP unless you have multiple internet connections.
 
I wish telcos and everyone would get their act together and start moving people away from T1s

Metro Ethernet is the way everything is moving T1 is an old dieing technology...move on.

On topic you don't need to run BGP unless you have multiple internet connections.

They had a fractional ds-3 option but this came with no hard line for the phone and cost more. They started at a 6/6 line at 620?$ a mo. This is 1/2 that and 1/2 the speed.
 
You can't even run BGP unless you have your own ASN (Autonomous System Number) so it isnt even an option.

http://blog.mjwired.com


Yeah but getting an ASN is a pretty trivial exercise and relatively cheap too.

But if he knew he needed to set up BGP, he'd know that he'd need an ASN too. :)

We currently use 4xT1's at my work as well. Currently waiting on a single mode fiber to ethernet converter and and then we're getting bumped up to 30mb / 30mb. Can't friggin' wait.

We moved from a pair of T1s (load balanced at the firewall) to ATT 10mbit to a metro 100mbit link from Cogent. God DAMN but having spare bandwidth owns. (I'm looking at you, Torrent Server)




OP, good luck and have fun with your new bandwidth!

May your lead time pass swiftly, the installation go smoothly, and your packets never be lost.
 
We just got 100mbit fiber through cogent. Still on contract with verizon for our 3xT1 - the fiber is sweet.

how much is that per month? Cogent has a presence in my area. We have a fiber loop from Cox 10 megs. for about $1,000.00 a month. It usually bursts to 30 meg up and down when getting large files. 100 mbit would be sweet though. Cox keeps calling us to move our PRI with them, if we do that, they'll drop the price of the internet for us...
 
how much is that per month? Cogent has a presence in my area. We have a fiber loop from Cox 10 megs. for about $1,000.00 a month. It usually bursts to 30 meg up and down when getting large files. 100 mbit would be sweet though. Cox keeps calling us to move our PRI with them, if we do that, they'll drop the price of the internet for us...

We have two links through Cogent: a gigE point-to-point between our office and our colo cage, and a 100mbit from the colo to the internet.

The total package is about $3000. Not sure how they break down.
 
We have two links through Cogent: a gigE point-to-point between our office and our colo cage, and a 100mbit from the colo to the internet.

The total package is about $3000. Not sure how they break down.

alright. thanks for the info. I'm thinking $3k might be a bit much for the bosses to swallow. dammit. Were preparing for a groupwise to exchange online migration in a few months. We have to move like 500 gigs into the cloud. Trying to see if Cox will bump us up to 100 megs or more during that week/weekend when we do the migration.

thanks again
 
I wish telcos and everyone would get their act together and start moving people away from T1s

Metro Ethernet is the way everything is moving T1 is an old dieing technology...move on.

On topic you don't need to run BGP unless you have multiple internet connections.

A lot of Telcos aren't actually using T1's anymore. They're using multiple dsl connections at 1.5mbs each and just call them T1's. Since they guarantee the uptime, they charge more for them. Also, they're going to charge more if you decide to bond them. I know our CLEC here is a larger regional carrier and they no longer to actual T1 circuits.
 
A lot of Telcos aren't actually using T1's anymore. They're using multiple dsl connections at 1.5mbs each and just call them T1's. Since they guarantee the uptime, they charge more for them. Also, they're going to charge more if you decide to bond them. I know our CLEC here is a larger regional carrier and they no longer to actual T1 circuits.

Interesting I haven't seen that yet...

I work for a very large national ISP but we only deal with metro ethernet circuits.

If you have some sort of SLA I guess it doesn't really matter what you go with.
 
I am a Metro Ethernet tech for Comcast. We bring fiber right to the Dmark location. T1s are phasing out. I wouldn't waste my time with them. You can get a metro circuit and increment bandwidth as needed. The lowest bandwidth circuit I have installed so far has been 10mb. I guess if you only need 1.54mb then a T1 will do, I just feel there are better options available.
 
alright. thanks for the info. I'm thinking $3k might be a bit much for the bosses to swallow. dammit. Were preparing for a groupwise to exchange online migration in a few months. We have to move like 500 gigs into the cloud. Trying to see if Cox will bump us up to 100 megs or more during that week/weekend when we do the migration.

thanks again

Remember that it's $3k for two links. A single 100mbit internet link will be waaaay less.
 
Of course. There will be vendors who try to gouge.

But I am paying for a point to point GigE link and a 100mbit internet link for that price. What I'm saying is that a vendor, somewhere, will probably be able to privide a single 100mbit link for much less than the cost of two links.
 
So the option is TDS Metrocom.

I work in Madison and hate TDS with a white-hot passion, they just plain suck. TDS = Totally Dismal Service

Bummer that you can't get any other options out there.

EDIT: I also find it weird that neither cable provider would give service to a business park, seems just plain silly.
 
I agree. Office parks are a sure thing. We use CWDM to mux the 8 lambdas back to our head end. It's cheap for us to do so its a win win.
 
I work in Madison and hate TDS with a white-hot passion, they just plain suck. TDS = Totally Dismal Service

Bummer that you can't get any other options out there.

EDIT: I also find it weird that neither cable provider would give service to a business park, seems just plain silly.

Don't say that. Internet is required to sustain accurate production records.
 
I am a Metro Ethernet tech for Comcast. We bring fiber right to the Dmark location. T1s are phasing out. I wouldn't waste my time with them. You can get a metro circuit and increment bandwidth as needed. The lowest bandwidth circuit I have installed so far has been 10mb. I guess if you only need 1.54mb then a T1 will do, I just feel there are better options available.

What market do you work in? I actually was on the phone with Comcast enterprise service today, they're doing a site survey to see what build out costs are going to be to bring fibre to one of my branch offices. Apparently if build out cost isn't too bad they're willing to provision 5Mb
Alternative for me would be bonded T1's.
 
Don't say that. Internet is required to sustain accurate production records.

I can qualify my statement this way, they are way overpriced, it's a PITA to get a tech if you need one, and the three sales guys I've had were absolutely useless.

Once it's installed for the most part it actually works ok, it's just everything else that makes them a giant failure.
 
What market do you work in? I actually was on the phone with Comcast enterprise service today, they're doing a site survey to see what build out costs are going to be to bring fibre to one of my branch offices. Apparently if build out cost isn't too bad they're willing to provision 5Mb
Alternative for me would be bonded T1's.

I work in the GBR north Boston region. I do site surveys all the time. Metro E has generated a lot of interest recently. A lot of companies are reaching out to Comcast for their Metro services.
 
I can qualify my statement this way, they are way overpriced, it's a PITA to get a tech if you need one, and the three sales guys I've had were absolutely useless.

Once it's installed for the most part it actually works ok, it's just everything else that makes them a giant failure.

It was either the T1 option or their fiber option. I couldn't get anyone else to budge even with willing to sign a contract.
 
We do use DWDM in hybrid situations. Its very costly when utilizing DWDM over CWDM.

Most networks I have seen use DWDM for some sort of metro ring for provider edge routers...Then use CWDM from hub sites/provider edge routers out to CPE devices.

Since DWDM equipment is still expensive and CWDM is cheapppp
 
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