BEWARE Steam Guard is buggy!!!!

Ripskin

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I saw a notification about it, but I actually happened to have restarted steam recently to generate the pop up. I also can still share the account as another user said. Just means I have to type in a code from an email, not that hard.
 

Yakk

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I had a pop up. Nice and big. Steam guard is now available, click the button to set up. Something to that affect. As for what the button actually did I can not tell you as I had no intent of turning it off. I game on one PC.


You are right... I think I saw it mixed in with gaming deals... I just skipped it thinking it was specials... and it auto-enabled by default I guess.. I still do not like auto-enabling stuff...


Y.
 

Andrew_Carr

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I think both those statements, especially the former, are true of most steam users ;)

Right, and I won't deny that. But a better way to go about this would be to have it as a check-box during Steam's install, and have it checked by default.

And then have a big splash page that everyone would see notifying them of the benefits and how to activate it.
 

samduhman

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Its still optional, for now. All you have to do is disable it. We'll see if it stays that way or not,

So it is optional. When you log in it sure doesn't imply it. It forced me to use it. I wouldn't have known otherwise if it weren't for this thread.

Probably going to stop buying from Steam now, unless it's ridiculous sale prices. I don't want to be locked in when they decide to force it on us.

Ya, I'm feeling the same way. Sorry I don't trust corporations, especially when they say they are doing it for "my benefit". Ya right. I'm sure theirs an ulterior motive buried deep in Valves mind. I for see one day Valve just giving us the shaft such as, "Sorry guys but due to costs we have to start implementing a subscription if you want to continue to access your games...blah blah blah."
 

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It certainly does seem like a testbed for security measures designed to possible limit future use such as limit to you using your steam account on only X many computers, maybe 1 desktop and 1 laptop at a time.
 

phide

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It certainly does seem like a testbed for security measures designed to possible limit future use
Based on what information?

At this point, the idea that Steam Guard will eventually turn into a use-crippling feature is entirely speculative.
 

WarriorX

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With my Steam account probably over $2000 I sure would like some added protection in case I foolishly picked up a virus. Most programs have default options. Programs that have anything to do with security usually have everything on. Its up to the user to set it up to their liking.

Im sure people that lost their steam accounts would have loved for something like this in the past.
 

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It certainly does seem like a testbed for security measures designed to possible limit future use such as limit to you using your steam account on only X many computers, maybe 1 desktop and 1 laptop at a time.

I actually think it'd be hard for them to limit it like that, as it would be affecting all the games you previously bought under the premise you could play anywhere.

I'm sure they could release new games with the limitation of installing on 1 PC as part of their license agreement, but to retroactively limit games that included no such clause in their agreements, surely that would have some legal ramifications? (I dunno, I'm not lawyer, it just sounds like something that would violate various trade practices act across multiple countries... though apparently the gaming industry thinks it is immune to the law, so who knows).
 

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So it is optional. When you log in it sure doesn't imply it. It forced me to use it. I wouldn't have known otherwise if it weren't for this thread.

It is optional. It takes all of fifteen seconds to disable it. I understand the logic behind enabling it by default (aka most people are complete morons) but I don't particularly like it. As I said, we'll see if it stays that way.
 

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I actually think it'd be hard for them to limit it like that, as it would be affecting all the games you previously bought under the premise you could play anywhere.

I'm sure they could release new games with the limitation of installing on 1 PC as part of their license agreement, but to retroactively limit games that included no such clause in their agreements, surely that would have some legal ramifications? (I dunno, I'm not lawyer, it just sounds like something that would violate various trade practices act across multiple countries... though apparently the gaming industry thinks it is immune to the law, so who knows).

they probably have an EULA that allows for retroactive changes, you can bet Valve has some high power lawyers writing and reviewing their agreement policies :p
 

Ryom

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NO, what are YOU worried about.

Sorry, couldn't resist!
 

Rebel44

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can this be turned off cause I play games thru steam on multiple computers

This doesnt stop you from playing on multiple PCs - just when you login from other PC for the first time it wiill ask you for code (which will be sent at that moment to your contact email address).
 
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All 5 PCs and 1 laptop activated w/ nary a problem. I did get the Steam Guard notice when I logged on late last week. Good idea.
 

samduhman

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It is optional. It takes all of fifteen seconds to disable it. I understand the logic behind enabling it by default (aka most people are complete morons) but I don't particularly like it. As I said, we'll see if it stays that way.

Are you calling me a moron?! IT does imply it by default. There is nothing moronic or stupid about it. Get the hell off your pedestal.
 

Derangel

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Are you calling me a moron?! IT does imply it by default. There is nothing moronic or stupid about it. Get the hell off your pedestal.

Defensive much? Chill out kiddo. If I wanted to call you a moron I would have done so directly. I have a low opinion of the average intelligence of the human race, I was calling them morons. I doubt most people have the sense enough to even know how to configure Steam, much less know how to use something like Steam Guard if it wasn't enabled by default.
 

ex0du5

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Looks like steam guard is on my sig without me knowing. So, what happens when lightning fries my computer?

If you try to log in from a different PC, they email you a code which you enter into Steam to activate your account.

edit: sorry, forgot to read the rest of the thread...answered many times.
 

ex0du5

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But can I go to settings and deactivate it ? :)

Seriously though, this thread alone is proof that everyone knowing that it was optional, thought that it would be disabled by default and rightfully so, because that's the meaning of "optional".

Case 1: Enabled by default. Can be disabled.
Case 2: Disabled by default. Can be enabled.

Both cases fit the proper meaning of the word 'optional'. The default state does not change the fact that it's an option. Seems to me like you just like to complain to complain.

This is a great feature for legit Steam users. Only conspiracy theorists and account sharers (which is against the EULA in the first place) are going against this...and hey, this doesn't even prevent account sharing, this just makes it so you need to enter a one time code for the shared system. This is a great added layer of security to protect my ~$2000-3000 Steam library, as well as my credit card information.

It certainly does seem like a testbed for security measures designed to possible limit future use such as limit to you using your steam account on only X many computers, maybe 1 desktop and 1 laptop at a time.

Yes that is possible, however they made it clear in the announcement that they are taking a strong stance in allowing you to authenticate as many PCs as you want.

Valve has been very pro consumer from the beginning, and in 7 years, has yet to go against their ideology. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. To me, this is a valuable feature that protects my account and credit information, as well as Valve and the game publishers. In it's current state, it's a win-win-win, aside from the few users that have been prevented from logging in due to bugs/oversights.

Also, to those saying there should have been a pop up announcing that this feature was enabled: there was. I got a huge pop up with a giant Steam Guard logo saying it was now active.
 
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phide

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Did I say otherwise?
Well, what you said was that "it certainly does seem like a testbed...", and I was just wondering what information would have given you the impression that Steam Guard appears to be a testbed for additional limitations (where "seems like" and "appears to be" are synonymous).
 

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Well, what you said was that "it certainly does seem like a testbed...", and I was just wondering what information would have given you the impression that Steam Guard appears to be a testbed for additional limitations (where "seems like" and "appears to be" are synonymous).

It seems like a test bed disguised as features for the players in the same way that hats were a test bed for a micro transaction business model for TF2, Valve are a business first and no matter the respect they appear to have for PC customers. They always have profit in mind and that means they are always testing and always toying with ideas, valve are pretty smart, they know to approach users with caution and implement possible future features such as this in a way that eases players into the idea rather than bluntly annoucing it.

I'm not saying it's going to happen I'm simply saying there is a possibility it could happen and how we as gamers react to it now will probably help them decide in future how to implement it. Yes it's wild speculation, I never said otherwise.
 

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It seems like a test bed disguised as features for the players in the same way that hats were a test bed for a micro transaction business model for TF2, Valve are a business first and no matter the respect they appear to have for PC customers. They always have profit in mind and that means they are always testing and always toying with ideas, valve are pretty smart, they know to approach users with caution and implement possible future features such as this in a way that eases players into the idea rather than bluntly annoucing it.

I'm not saying it's going to happen I'm simply saying there is a possibility it could happen and how we as gamers react to it now will probably help them decide in future how to implement it. Yes it's wild speculation, I never said otherwise.

This didnt even make sense.
 
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