What are you crying about?
I was just joking, seemingly it went over your thick head. I see you're looking to start up a fight, I'll pass.
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What are you crying about?
This is probably a return to counterfeit capacitors and whatnot.I don't understand why a company like Gigabyte would risk damaging their reputation by slapping their name on such crap. They're my go-to motherboard manufacturer, but anything else is suspect.
No, the analogy here is the vehicle manufacture advertises a redline limiter, but the engine blows up before it gets there. If the PSU cannot safely shut down before a failure occurs, what's the point of over current protection?
Why do we always need horrible car analogies on every single PC discussion? Is it so hard to understand that this PSU is basically shit?
If you want a more proper car analogy regarding this, here may be one. You get a brand name, nice looking car (like this PSU), but it burns oil to no end till the point the rods mess up and cylinders misfire then the engine catastrophically fails. That's what Gigabyte is basically offering you here.
I've not had many Gigabyte motherboards that have survived the test of time. Even ASRock motherboards are still working today for me and I consider ASRock to be the worst motherboard maker.I don't understand why a company like Gigabyte would risk damaging their reputation by slapping their name on such crap. They're my go-to motherboard manufacturer, but anything else is suspect.
I've not had many Gigabyte motherboards that have survived the test of time. Even ASRock motherboards are still working today for me and I consider ASRock to be the worst motherboard maker.
Well... What they are saying is comparable to if you run a car's engine past the redline for a bit, it's not going to last nearly as long as one that has not been redlined. Is that an unreasonable response when that is how the research was conducted?
OPP isn't designed to save the power supply, but rather your system components and prevent the whole start a fire thing.
The methodology presented in the video was that they first found where OPP kicked in by purposefully placing the power supply under a load that exceeded it's maximum designed capacity until it shut down. They did that repeatedly to dial in on exactly where OPP triggered the shutdown.
AFTER that is when they did the 60% load testing where the failure occurred. Gigabyte is saying in its statement that running the power supply beyond it's designed output can cause premature failure, which is what happened in half of their tests.
End users have had their systems fried. The PSU shouldn't allow that to happen. Has nothing to do with "how it was tested in a sensationalized youtube video.." Said testing only happened after repeated end user reports of failures and collateral damage.I'm just pointing out that Gigabyte is in a fairly impossible situation to deal with from a PR perspective given how the units were tested along with a good bit of sensationalized questions/suppositions were made.
My anecdotal experience is anecdotal, but I had an awful experience with my Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master motherboard for my Threadripper.
It worked for less than a month and then stopped. My machine was a brick with it installed. I RMA'd it and they sent it back stating "no problem found".
I then RMA'd the CPU and the replacement again worked for less than a month before bricking.
Then I RMA'd the second CPU. At this point I thought the motherboard was killing CPU's. I had been troubleshooting and going without my desktop for almost a year and decided to just be done with it and went out and bought an Asus motherboard and haven't had a problem since.
...except this $500+ junk Gigabyte motherboard I can't do anything with. I'm tempted to try to RMA it again and make a stink to customer service and try to get them to refund me.
I'm essentially an applied statistician, and know better than to make decisions off of sample sizes of n=1, but I am pissed enough to never want to buy another Gigabyte product ever again at this point.
www.deer-group.com.cnLooks like Deer could be : (a)Still in business, and also, (b)somehow managed to get other OEMs to relabel their PSU units?
Joking, of course. But 300000000 [H]coins to anyone who notices/remembers the reference.
PSU Expert Aris Mpitziopoulos Responds to Gigabyte Statement on GP-P750/850 GM Design Flaws
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...tement-on-gp-p750-850-gm-design-flaws.285612/
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I'm not saying that it's a stellar power supply by any means, I'm just pointing out that Gigabyte is in a fairly impossible situation to deal with from a PR perspective given how the units were tested along with a good bit of sensationalized questions/suppositions were made.
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Our opinions are largely based on our own experiences. It's not like no other PC parts manufacturer has had their own issues and controversies before.Gigabyte has always been shit, and Newegg turned to shit about 15 years ago, so I'm not sure why anyone even bothered in the first place.
Our opinions are largely based on our own experiences. It's not like no other PC parts manufacturer has had their own issues and controversies before.
Has anyone tried repairing these by replacing the blow mosfets with better quality ones? If I could pick these up for like $20 and spend $10 on mosfets then these could be good deals. I'm of course assuming the mosfets are the reason these PSU's are blowing up.
It is probably not that hard. If you changed the testing method to something the vendor specified on the type of protection you would probably not need to modify anything. Or, just not run it way out of it's specified range without a specification designing it and then make the surpised Pikachu face when unexpected things happen on unexpected tests. That said, it is not a good power supply even before that. This is just sensationalizing a not good product for views that are way beyond the relevant not goodness of the product.That'd be like putting a higher amp rated fuse in your breaker box and calling the problem fixed. It's dangerous and shouldn't be done.
To make the PSU not explode, you'd have to replace the parts that exploded and modify the protection circuitry to trip at a lower power rating.
My m590 with the fake 100mhz fsb still works…PCCHIPS
That said, it is not a good power supply even before that. This is just sensationalizing a not good product for views that are way beyond the relevant not goodness of the product.
Yes and no. I agree no one doing 5 seconds of research would buy this PSU. It's clearly horrible and not worth it for free.That said, it is not a good power supply even before that. This is just sensationalizing a not good product for views that are way beyond the relevant not goodness of the product.
Yes and no. I agree no one doing 5 seconds of research would buy this PSU. It's clearly horrible and not worth it for free.
Except, with Newegg bundling it, they find unsuspecting buyers that are probably so happy just to get a video card they don't care what the bundled item is.
So that is dodgy. More so than there just being a bad product, there have always been, and will always be duds, that is why you do research first.
You might be right. I don't really understand the test methodology, I did watch the videos but I don't know enough about PSUs at that level to make a determination.You're making a different point though - you both agree that it's not a good power supply. What no one else seems to see is that the test method used to cause the fireworks isn't a very good test method.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the testing methodology. They shouldn't be expected to reliably run at the wattage they were loading them to but they should be expected to reliably shutdown safely instead of popping in a way that frequently takes out parts and could cause a fire. They also had one of the test units die spectacularly in a fairly short time(few days) while running normally, I believe that was the one that took their 3080 out with it.You're making a different point though - you both agree that it's not a good power supply. What no one else seems to see is that the test method used to cause the fireworks isn't a very good test method.
If anything, they should have done the standard load tests prior to running it out of specification. It's really that simple - don't do something that will damage the unit before starting your review procedures.I don't think there's anything wrong with the testing methodology. They shouldn't be expected to reliably run at the wattage they were loading them to but they should be expected to reliably shutdown safely instead of popping in a way that frequently takes out parts and could cause a fire. They also had one of the test units die spectacularly in a fairly short time(few days) while running normally, I believe that was the one that took their 3080 out with it.
What was there to do though? GN harped on OPP, but reducing OPP on these units does not make them a better or safer unit. I wouldn't be shocked (oh, now that's punny) if GN's test methodology was applied to the revised units and got the same results.The biggest issue in this whole mess for me is that they were informed of this last fall and did jack shit until it blew up after GN finally called them on it publicly.
But their response was bad
They were also put in an impossible position due to the test methodology and boisterous presentation. Their response said that no one should be surprised that a PSU would fail after the manner of OPP testing and offered to lower the OPP of your unit in the event you were persuaded by GN that it was the root cause of the PSU not being all that great (even though it's not). There's literally no response that would satisfy the keyboard warriors other than them offering an exchange for 3 new Titanium Seasonic psus for every 750/850GM turned in.