That independent study by RAND showing them as a higher cost and potential risk might have had something to do with that...
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Bethesda Bans Fallout 76 Players for Life after Shocking In-Game Homophobic Attack
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That independent study by RAND showing them as a higher cost and potential risk might have had something to do with that...
How the hell is this thread so long? Are people really so fucking focused on political bullshit these days that even simple events like this trigger them? Really, the dumbass kid got what he deserved.
1. Dumbass kid gets triggered by people joking around and calling his character "cute"
2. Dumbass kid gets some friends an thinks it would be funny to fuck with those people in the game
3. Because they're dumbass kids, they decide to act all "edgy" and make comments intentionally intended to be offensive and crude because they're stupid enough to think acting like a douchebag is funny.
4. Dumbass kid gets banned for life as a consequence of his actions.
Simple as that. You act like a douchebag, there are consequences. There is nothing hard to understand about this situation, nothing political, nothing to do with anything except a company handling it's community. Dumbass kid acts like a dumbass kid and deals with the consequences. Being a dumbass kid doesn't mean he shouldn't face punishment for his actions. I have no pity for the dumbass kid.
1. Dumbass kid gets triggered by people joking around and calling his character "cute"
2. Dumbass kid gets some friends an thinks it would be funny to fuck with those people in the game
3. Because they're dumbass kids, they decide to act all "edgy" and make comments intentionally intended to be offensive and crude because they're stupid enough to think acting like a douchebag is funny.
4. Dumbass kid gets banned for life as a consequence of his actions.
Simple as that. You act like a douchebag, there are consequences. There is nothing hard to understand about this situation, nothing political, nothing to do with anything except a company handling it's community. Dumbass kid acts like a dumbass kid and deals with the consequences. Being a dumbass kid doesn't mean he shouldn't face punishment for his actions. I have no pity for the dumbass kid.
Good riddance to the time old gaming culture. I gladly report racist and homophobic language when I play.
Yeah, don't ignore it and move on but get offended like a little weak hugger and run to the digitial version of mommy.
You say that and yet all of you "get thicker skin" folks are the ones that get super triggered whenever someone doesn't want to deal with your shitty attitude.
Yes, all of us.
Generally, that has been my experience. People love to shout "get thicker skin" or whatever other random bullshit in defense of being douchebags and then get all pissy when people don't want to put up with their shit.
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Can't we murder and pillage each other online peacefully? 
Doesn't this game have an always on mic too to promote more player interaction or some shit?
Doesn't this game have an always on mic too to promote more player interaction or some shit?
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If you'd bothered to look at what the study said it pointed out that the impact on the military's operational effectiveness and budget was, in the absolute worst case, negligible. So no, the ban clearly wasn't based on that as the military hadn't had an issue with it and the independent study didn't find any issues arising from it either. But again, this is off topic.
On topic, I keep dabbling with the idea of getting this game as I do love the exploration/lore part of Fallout. But I can't stand the idea of the constant immersion breaking from random mouthbreathers running by.
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Can't we murder and pillage each other online peacefully?
Doesn't this game have an always on mic too to promote more player interaction or some shit?
It does, but, you have to opt in for proximity chat. By default, you only hear people in your team/group and friends.
Blocking someone in proximity chat if you are one of the few that have it on, is barely a couple button presses. Putting them on your avoid list is just as easy. People that engage in unwanted PVP, or steal from your locked base, get wanted levels and typically get hunted down by the entire server for the caps and xp. If you don't return fire on someone that is attempting to PVP with you, you take extremely reduced damage from their attacks until you do return fire.
Asshats got themselves a lifetime ban for being asshats. My only real issue is that this will not be uniformly enforced. I believe this extreme penalty is only being enforced in this case because of the "gay streamers". I do not believe they will ban other asshats for being asshats unless gays or some other privileged group is involved.
Whoever ends up being which, I hate faux victim pussies more than bullies.
Not an answer but ok.
It should be, if you understood what context means.
The comment I made stating that one should never apologize is in regard to these kind of situations, not in life in general.
To go into more detail....
Apologies mean nothing in most cases.
In this case, the youg idiot did not and would not offer an apology and I agree with him. What he will do, is not repeat the same idiocy. To me, that is worth much more than a hollow apology which usually means..."Sorry I got in trouble for it this time"
Apologizing to those who crave victim status does nothing but encourage their attention seeking, entitled behavior. It legitimizes their flawed belief that the world owes them a safe space and anybody who disturbs said space is evil and must atone at the altar of social justice.
The military works for us (the American people), what anyone wants is irrelevant.
Without looking into the story, it should not matter one fucking bit if the kid is or isn't a racist.
I saw the video and have followed the story. The brown kid walked away broken arm and all.
Yes some backlash goes above the law / social morality, this does not excuse the original act. I merely added context to an artificially weighted argument.
My cell phone died making that comment so I never got to finish it. I deleted it because it was incomplete. Sorry if you misunderstood where I was headed with it. Dead battery.
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OMG how little self awareness you must have do go and do that? I couldn't have hoped for a better gotcha! response than that.
That's what you do change reality to match what you feel.
And even if it was a racially motivated attack, about which you have zero evidence apart from your internal racism "Brown fights white = racism"
Lynching and terrorizing him and his entire family is OK if he did something you disagree with?
And to think that you and the kinds of you preach morality. If irony had weight you'd be crushed under it to dust.
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Can you be more dishonest please? His arm was already in a cast, it wasn't broken in the incident making the media rounds. And Even if it had been. You think this would've been the first case where a school fight ended with a broken arm? But because this happened between a white kid and an immigrant, it is perfectly exploitable to push the false agenda of racism. And no, they'd be in the wrong morally, even if the kid was confirmed to be the biggest racist that ever existed. If you don't understand why that is the case, then you really have no morals.
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Can't we murder and pillage each other online peacefully?
Doesn't this game have an always on mic too to promote more player interaction or some shit?
I turned the mic off quickly once i found that setting. I don't want to hear random people unless they are friends or cool people.
I'm not the one who brought a very sad unrelated story to this thread. Are you self aware of that?
You glossed over reality to make a biased point.
Yes when the bigger kid threw the smaller kid down and made his traumatic life worse. The only thing that can make things better would be an apology.
Strawman. I am against lynching and terrorizing anyone. You were the one who falsely told the story to make a point.
The sadness of the actions of both sides and your biased use of it to make a point speaks for itself.
You are defending someone who chased down a kid with a broken arm and terrorized him. Keep going.
Yet you show no empathy for the kid who's world has been turned upside down. Me thinks you need to reflect on your own feelings.
When you use a common technique on a specific group of people to incite fear, it is racist. If someone threw a noose on a black kid the same conclusion could be drawn. This isn't rocket science.
Those who gloss over history often lack morals.
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Your point being? I'm aware that I mentioned it, so what? I mentioned it as a deterrent example, of what assumptions can do.
Only the imagined reality. The reality is that you cannot confirm the existence of racism. The involvement of people with different colored skin doesn't make it racism. And as far as I know that's the only evidence levied so far.
How do you know his life was traumatic? Because he was an immigrant? Now you're being racist directly. Bullies tend to pick on the defenseless, if this happened between two white kids, the media would've ignored it. As they should've in the first place. But no, because it was a brown kid who got the short hand, they used it to push an agenda. If anything it is the media with the most blame in the case.
Racism is the treatment of individuals from one race differently. The social justice media and all the woke zombies would've completely ignored the incident had it happened between two white kids. They treat it differently because of the race of the victim. What is that if not racism on their part? They think immigrants are helpless sheep who they need to save and uplift. Just as hollywood celebrities want to save the blacks in the US. They aren't mindless drones, they don't need to be saved by woke individuals with a superiority complex.
I apologize I assumed your stance on that incident based on your stance in this.
They are really similar in principle.
Banning these players from fallout for being homophobic or lynching that kid for perceived racism. I'm against both.
What sides are you referring to? One kid bullying another kid (if it was that, as we can't even be sure what transpired before the video started) is commonplace in schools. I used it as an example of social justice warriors treating immigrants differently. And that's a fact, that they think immigrants / black people / women / trans people need to be treated differently, than the evil straight white male. That to me is a confirmation of racism sexism and homophobia. I firmly believe that everyone should be treated equally, regardless of their orientation, biological sex, or race.
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I'm defending due process, and speaking against vigilante justice. You really can't see that?
What you perceive as lack of empathy is objectivity. I don't know the facts to make a judgement on either of them. There are a number of possible reasons for the incident, and since we'll likely never know them, we'd better not pass judgement based on the sole fact that one kid was an immigrant. This a school matter, it should have been dealt with internally by the school. It is certainly not criminal, and two schoolkids fighting over something is certainly not world news. Which the media made it into, because of the race of the involved.
I agree this is not rocket science, this is not science at all.
What common technique? Waterboarding? You think the only people that was ever used on were brown ? Besides pouring a bottle of water on someone is not waterboarding. I've never even heard that leap if imagination before "waterboarding = racist" This is madness.
That sentence literally makes zero sense. Morals are not dependent on history. Being ignorant of something doesn't make you immoral. You lack morals if you know something and still use it to incite hurt. It is really the same when snowflakes think that assuming their gender is immoral. No it isn't. What is immoral is them expecting everyone to not assume things that are correct 99.99% of the time.
What about those who disregard linear time and use historical events to guilt people living in the present?
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As far as PC gaming goes, I think we saw the big change in online behavior when the entrance barrier dropped low enough for kids to join in. In the early days most PC online gamers were adults and behaved as adults, for the most part. The kids that were part of our community were often chaperoned by the parents who bought them their first computer. I know that's how it was in our gaming community.
I agree there was a change in the mid 2000's as more and more people, mostly kids with their lower EQ's dropped the EQ for the community as a whole. I stopped running servers and gaming sites in 2005. It just wasn't worth the hassles as a hobby anymore.
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From what I recall, the half naked player complimented the hicc's outfit - told him it was cute, or something.
You know, a completely made up verbal exchange that would never take place IRL if a strait redneck walked, unknowingly, into a gay camping group asking to barter for some stuff. The outcome also was completely made up and would never happen IRL, of course.
Clearly, the gay half naked player didn't realize they were camping in Northern Georgia (Deliverance territory).
It could have been worse, they could have set up camp in an Islamic no go zone. I say worse because, although the outcome would have been the same, no one would have reported on it.
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Yes because GAY people could not marry and have all the benefits of such, i.e. at time of death, legal decisions, health care. I'm sure gay people surely felt oppressed, I'm not gay so *I* did not feel oppressed back when they couldnt marry or be recognized as married either. Who knows maybe someone who is deeply in love with their first cousin feels oppressed that they cant marry, I just dont know because I have no desire to do so.
I get the straw man type of argument you were going for, you just executed it poorly
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This, like any entertainment platform, is a horrible and incorrect place to push any social agenda to the masses expecting everyone to always drink the koolaid and go along with your worldview.
Take the rest of this to the Soapbox.
Disagree. At least from my experience, my generation grew as gaming grew and Internet became a thing, with little to no parential oversight, and it was both less infested with morons and weak pussies weren't acknowledged. Our gaming sessions in the late 90s and early 00s, both online and LAN, consisted of kids in their early teens to fifty year olds, and it was at much higher standard than now. Don't confuse that with safe spaces. It's that there were no girls on the Internet, if you know what I mean.
The change you mention I would relate to entitlement and participation thropies generations becoming more and more prevalent, from which both annoying assholes and weak bitches sprung out of in numbers. The same trends observable online I saw at my local playgrounds and schools.
Fine you wont let it go...
So defending due process is using this as an example before due process. Good job. Hypocrite much?
The school failed to deal with it. This wasn't an isolated incident. The history of the McLaren family is adjacent to English Defense League leader Tommy Robinson. Bailey McLaren posted many references to this on his Facebook.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/jamal-syrian-refugee-huddersfield-almondbury-video-gofundme/
An objective person would see both sides of any situation. When nooses are left at schools, the world reacts. When swastikas are drawn somewhere, the world reacts. Symbolic waterboarding see below.
The logic is quite sound. But fine I'll draw it out for you.
The last known use of it was the CIA against Al-Qaeda suspects. To use it now would is to judge on someone as an Al-Qaeda terrorist. You can pretend it is benign, like confederate flags were just about states rights.
No sense to those who believe the white man is oppressed. Those who think blackface is ok.
Do you know who stood up in this situation. Jamal. In a public statement asking everyone not to hurt Bailey McLaren.
The world waits for Bailey McLaren's apology. Maybe NathanTheHicc can help him but i doubt it. People who hate rarely stand up.
So defending due process is using this as an example before due process. Good job. Hypocrite much?
The school failed to deal with it. This wasn't an isolated incident. The history of the McLaren family is adjacent to English Defense League leader Tommy Robinson. Bailey McLaren posted many references to this on his Facebook.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/jamal-syrian-refugee-huddersfield-almondbury-video-gofundme/
An objective person would see both sides of any situation. When nooses are left at schools, the world reacts. When swastikas are drawn somewhere, the world reacts. Symbolic waterboarding see below.
The logic is quite sound. But fine I'll draw it out for you.
The last known use of it was the CIA against Al-Qaeda suspects. To use it now would is to judge on someone as an Al-Qaeda terrorist. You can pretend it is benign, like confederate flags were just about states rights.
No sense to those who believe the white man is oppressed. Those who think blackface is ok.
Do you know who stood up in this situation. Jamal. In a public statement asking everyone not to hurt Bailey McLaren.
The world waits for Bailey McLaren's apology. Maybe NathanTheHicc can help him but i doubt it. People who hate rarely stand up.
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5 pages of discussion? Game is public, shit will happen.
They did something that qualifies as Hate Speech and Harassment. Bethesda handled it. Done.
They did something that qualifies as Hate Speech and Harassment. Bethesda handled it. Done.
Serving in the military isn't a right.
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It's not really about this issue. It's about people finding some excuse to argue about politics on the infrawebs.
Which as we know will result in a civil discussion, and after cogent points to and fro are made - one side will ultimately concede they were wrong, and everyone will log off thinking "wow, that was enriching!"
I missed that story. Did you about another case in the UK recently where a 3 year old was biting the face of another 3 year old? The mom was quoted as yelling "thats what kids do! thats what kids do!". The press didn't even name the attacker kid's parents.
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There is no doubt about whether terrorism is right or not.
I know enough about Tommy Robinson, sure he has some extreme views most of which I disagree with, but he's not the pure evil he was painted as. Being on the right is not a crime last I checked, even if the sjws would very much like that to be the case.
Yes they would, then why won't you?
It's not logic, it is a whimsical assertion. Both makes you feel something, but feelings are not facts, and shouldn't be used as evidence of something. I can't go out and burn french flags because they make me feel bad either. And I don't go around hating people alive today for injustices of the past perpetrated by people of the same skin color/nationality.
Oh, you're one of those lunatics. Nobody is oppressed in the UK/US in the current day and age, except for free expression. But if SJWs would have their way they'd make everyone who disagrees with them oppressed. And I know it is an inconvenient fact for them, but not all non-whites are on their side. They hate them "race traitors" even more.
It's commendable on his part but completely unrelated to the argument.
He should apologize for overpowering a kid with a broken arm, nothing else. Would apologizing for racism make him any less of a racist if he in fact is one? So why would that matter?
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No, you judge a situation based on skin color. Let me tell you a story. I used to be bullied by a smaller kid in 7th grade from another class. He'd always come in the breaks and harass me. This went on for about 3-4 months when during a break he came at me again with the typical grin on his face, and something snapped in me. I grabbed his shoulders, threw him at a wall, and started to kick the living shit out of him. He never tried to bully me ever again. Now imagine had this happened in the time of smartphones and cameras, and someone would have recorded this. What would you see? A slightly larger kid kicking the shit out of a smaller kid for no reason.
That's fucking why you can't judge a situation like this either way. Whatever you feel happened, is just that your own feelings projected onto reality. It is not fact, and not evidence.
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