Best Reviewed A-MVA Monitor Thread: Read the 1st Post

geok1ng said:
- turn OFF freesync in both monitor and control panel. THIS IS REQUIRED TO MAKE LMB AVAILABLE. be double sure to have freesync off by restarting both PC and monitor.
-select 120hz and fastest response time.
- if the above does not improve it, try 120Hz and fast response time.
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Freesync has been off the whole time. Response time has no effect. I played with these settings for weeks.
 
any chance you are on the wrong cleartype setting? or *gasp*:eek: running Apple's OS?
 
Hi all, come up there after a bit disappointment about a monitor i've bought.
Comung from a PHILIPS 273elh TN not really bad. Decided to switch to an IPS because I'm into professional work with graphics, illustration, photograpy cad, etc. Didn't wanted nothing extremely special, but I've found an offer for an IPS Benq GW2765 (1440p, 1.07 billion colours 10 bit, 80% NTSC). This monitor had great reviews overall, but I've found late its weak point. Compared side to side to my TN was another world, especially about colours. But it has a monstruous input lag of 34ms: didn't noticed any ghosting at all, but In games like rocket league I've noticed a late response to the commands, like I was "driving on the moon". Didn't studied alot about input lag, thinking it was a thing only for fps/ competitive gaming..but I've found my problem, finally. Adding this to the fact I cannot use 10bit (even I'f i've got a 1080 ti, it's available only for Nvidia Quadro) and to a very extensive light bleeding on the left side - the lesser of the problems, I've decided to return this monitor, even I've got it for more or less 220 euros (amazon warehouse). Yeah, 2k perhaps it's worthwile but I really never complained my FULL HD 27 inch TN at 60cm of distance.

Anyway I've bought a VA panel, in this case the Iyama XB2783HSU-B1 after reading all the reviews on VA panels and every page of this thread. Think It will be the best choice overall, and I can also overclock it to 75hz too, right?

Was struggling between the most recent Benq EW2775ZH / VZ2770, but there are clearly problems with dark trails and ghosting artifacts. The other choose was Asus VN279QL but basically it's the same of the iyama.

Did I made the best choice ?
 
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You have to be the judge, if there is something with it that bothers you or a faulty unit then you at least have the option to return it or try a different kind of monitor.
And yeah, I believe all the iiyama AMVA (and also some other 1080p monitors) overclock up to 76Hz, if not by default then with these manual timings for a custom resolution:
Front porch: 44/4 Sync width: 22/5 Total pixels: ~1990/~1090
If you work professionally too, take into account that these panels have noticeable off-center gamma shift (shimmering effect) mostly on darker content and also I would recommend you buy or borrow a calibration device.
 
I got the Asus PB328Q and have been pretty happy with it. Color is great blacks looks awesome. Games play fine, I have trace free set at 60. The only ding I would give it is the pixel pitch. If you look real close the text is not super sharp like it is on a 2560x1440 27 inch monitor, but it is still good.
 
So, the Iyama XB2783HSU-B1 has arrived. Set it with PRAD review settings ( 40 brightness, more or less 90 contrast, 92 R 96 G 100 B ).
I've compared (and still comparing) it side to side with my above mentioned IPS BENQ and I'm pretty satisfied. Yes, there is a bit of lack of colours especially on brighter tones, like orange - reds etc - but I would not define the image dull: it handles very well against the IPS. Absolutely not this noticeable as the side to side comparison between my ex TN with the benq IPS: I was like "did I really used this shitty monitor for this long?" . Another advantage is that the IPS has a nasty glowing confusing your eyes after a bit of use, seems there is not on the ahva.
As I said, lower resolution was not a problem for me. While I've really appreciated 2k resolution with photograpy editing, I disliked it in every kind of other work. Didn't played this much to feel the differences in gaming, but input lag was a major issue indeed.ù

I'm trying to set a 75hz refresh rate but via the nvidia panel I was only able to set 67 with auto timings. And I cannot display anything with the values igluk wrote down. How can I mess with those values to get a good result?

edit. I've managed to it get working 75hz with 44/4 22/5 and 2000/1090. is that good?
 
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crislink said:
edit. I've managed to it get working 75hz with 44/4 22/5 and 2000/1090. is that good?
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Yeah it should be fine. Just in case check Testufo and make sure there is no frameskipping. Ufos should move smoothly from left to right, with no stutter/jumps. (you can also use this to check the differences with Overdrive settings)
Total pixels can be anything but when connected via HDMI or DVI make sure the pixel clock stays below 165MHz.
Btw. you can use the Vibrance shader of Reshade/SweetFX to increase color saturation in games, it is working better than Nvidia's solution.
The brightness of the backlight also has an important effect on colors, I don't keep my monitor on the same setting all the time. I'd say try 50-70 for brighter games, the prad recommended setting of 40 is good for videos and desktop usage and below 30 brightness for dark games to get the most of the reduced black luminance.
 
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igluk so what's your monitor?

Anyway, how do I check my pixel clock?

After some tests I really do enjoy 15+ hz of refresh rate, especially in games.
The best results are with overdrive 3 indeed - with off I can clearly see a very dark ghosting, with 3 almost non with basically no reverse ghosting issues.
I've to say, now I'm noticing more than ever the lower resolution, think just have to get accustomed again to it.ù
Of the Benq I'm also missing the panel customization, it was really flexible.
 
I still have the old 24'' version of the iiyama. Probably gonna wait until HDR displays are properly established and in the midrange segment until I get a new one.
The pixel clock shows up in the Nvidia custom resolution window. It goes up when increasing the refresh rate and total pixel values.
If you mean OSD customization,yeah it is very limited and also ugly. But I have been using various shader injectors and madVR (movies) for ages. So I can get the most out of the image, and with individual profiles for each game.
 
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so it's 165.68 exactly. I'm over HDMI
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Yeah it's fine. I get only 163.5MHz with those settings though, maybe because it's DVI.
There is a patch to remove the pixel clock limit but it is not needed in this case and the display does not allow refresh rates over 75/76hz - no matter what (I tried all kinds of workarounds)
 
Still testing the screen. Very nice overall but I'm starting to complain the big pixels, they are someway much more defined than my other full hd 27", or it's just the bad effect after getting back from 2k. Think it's best the 24" version.
And just wondering: is that possibile that the overclock of the refresh rate could produce side effects as dull colors / bad contrast?
 
Probably got used to the higher pixel density. What has been seen, can't be unseen :p
Could also be more noticeable due to the lighter/grain free coating compared to the old TN.

It is possible for some monitors to change their gamma to more washed out when overclocked. (which sucks)
You should be able to compensate somewhat by lowering gamma in Nvidia settings.
At least for the 24'' B1 version I can confirm it does not do that but it's been discontinued already.
Maybe try decreasing porch/sync values a bit more (e.g. 40/3 and 20/4) but it probably won't do anything. Or try via the DVI connection if you have a cable.
 
VA Monitor Reviews & Measurements

May-June 2017

AOC AG322QCX
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-ag322qcx/

AOC AG352UCG
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/aoc/...fect-monitor-for-casual-gamers-but-at-a-price

AOC C4008VU8
http://playwares.com/dpreview/54422372

ASUS MX34VQ
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2017/test-asus-mx34vq.html
https://hdtvpolska.com/asus-mx34v-test-34-uniwersalnego-zakrzywionego-monitora-219-100hz-va/
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7388/asus-mx34vq-review-niet-alleen-fraai-om-te-zien
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/moniteur-ecran-lcd/designo-mx34vq-p37517/test.html

ASUS VP247HA
http://pclab.pl/art74068-6.html

BenQ VZ2470H
https://uk.hardware.info/product/357780/benq-vz2470h/testresults

HP Omen X35
https://uk.hardware.info/product/391521/hp-omen-x-35-curved/testresults

NEC EX341R
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nec-ex341r-monitor,5087.html
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2017/test-nec-ex341r.html

Philips 328C7Q
http://playwares.com/dpreview/54081157

Philips 328P6VJEB
https://3dnews.ru/951932/page-2.html
http://ru.gecid.com/disply/philips_brilliance_328p6vjeb/

Philips 349X7FJEW
https://hdtvpolska.com/philips-349x...ra-hd-z-technologia-multiview-i-amd-freesync/
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/moniteur-ecran-lcd/philips-349x7f-p38893/test.html

Philips BDM4037UW
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/23748-philips-brilliance-bdm4037uw-enorm-40-tumsskarm-med-va-panel
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7423/philips-bdm4037uw-review-elegante-40-incher
http://playwares.com/dpreview/53957098
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/monitors/106492-philips-brilliance-bdm4037uw/

Samsung C24FG70
http://laptopmedia.com/review/samsung-c24fg70-review-the-holy-grail-of-gaming-monitors/

Samsung C27FG73
https://uk.hardware.info/product/398328/samsung-c27fg73/testresults

Samsung C27H711
https://3dnews.ru/954447/page-2.html

Samsung C34F791
https://uk.hardware.info/product/368821/samsung-c34f791/testresults
http://uk.pcmag.com/monitor-reviews...msung-34-inch-cf791-curved-widescreen-monitor


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So basically Iiyama Prolite XB .... B1 is best compared to the more recent B2? Why and how? Just read mixed things about it. Who knows more?
 
The 24'' B1 mainly has better calibration out of the box than the B2. It also gets a bit brighter and it has a different, marginally larger panel.
The response times are also different, the B2 panel is way slower without Overdrive but at max OD the difference should mostly disappear, B2 seems even faster with a bit more overshoot. source
I believe somewhere in this thread a user got both and compared them. Don't believe you can get the B1 anymore other than used.
 
It's EW series version of the PD3200Q, which replaced the BL3200PT.
It has lower input lag and slightly improved contrast ratio over the old model, but otherwise it is the same.
No support for adaptive sync though, no HDR and no higher refresh rate. That's why most people (mostly gamers) are talking about the other models. (CHG70 and such)
 
What do you recommend between Iiyama XB2783HSU-B1 and XB2472HSUC-B1?
How sharp is the text compared with the same resolution on IPS? I've seen Samsung c24fg70 recently and the fonts look horrendous. The color shifting was obvious compared to IPS, no wonder why they did the panels curved.
 
4hf said:
What do you recommend between Iiyama XB2783HSU-B1 and XB2472HSUC-B1?
How sharp is the text compared with the same resolution on IPS? I've seen Samsung c24fg70 recently and the fonts look horrendous. The color shifting was obvious compared to IPS, no wonder why they did the panels curved.
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If you game, I would not get the XB2472HSUC. I don't have any proof for this specific monitor but the 23.6'' Innolux panel it uses has very slow response times in other monitors where it's used so better not take a chance.
Rather get the XB2483HSU-B2 with the AUO panel which has better response times. But to get best results I would recommend to hardware calibrate the monitor, since it is not very good out of the box and OSD adjustments are very limited. 1080p at 24 or 27 inch it's a matter of personal taste. But for me the pixel density of 27'' 1080p is too low.

Text should be more similar to IPS on these basic panels,not like the CFG70 which uses some strange split subpixel layout. (but it has way better color gamut and higher refresh rates/better motion clarity)
Around the edges of text, maybe if you look close the pixels look slightly more defined (like small grains of red, green or blue) because the subpixels shrink first before they get darker. (on IPS and TN panels the subpixels just get darker)
Example text on tftcentral
BL3200PT AMVA http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/benq_bl3200pt/interpolation.jpg
FS2735 IPS http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/eizo_foris_fs2735/interpolation.jpg

If you're used to IPS, the gamma shifting will be pretty obvious though.
 
igluk said:
CFG70 which uses some strange split subpixel layout.
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please tell us more about this. the CFG70 is currently my recommended 1080p display, since i 9 wrongly?) assumed that whatever other 1080p monitors in prodution do, the CFG70 does better and faster.
 
geok1ng said:
please tell us more about this. the CFG70 is currently my recommended 1080p display, since i 9 wrongly?) assumed that whatever other 1080p monitors in prodution do, the CFG70 does better and faster.
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Boojah on overlock.net first discovered this:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1605507/...25-srgb-and-quantum-dot/3020_20#post_25828630
Simply put a pixel is split in the middle, each appears to be made up of the top and bottom half of what should be two pixels. It's the same on the new CHG series as well.
Text does not look as good with that kind of layout apparently, now that many were primed the complaints have gone up of course... It's still one of the best 1080p monitor for fast and immersive gaming though! With the backlight scanning enabled it has excellent motion clarity as well.
That is if you get a CFG70 without purple overshoot issue - there is no way to adjust overdrive same as on the FG2421.
 
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I game from time to time, but I intend to use monitor mostly for programming, browsing (text related activities). I'm not sure if the fonts look the same on all VA panels like are on Samsung c24fg70, but from this POV the VA panels are a no go for me. I read a few reviews of the Samsung monitors and there are complaints related to the text clarity, that's why I wanted to see the monitor live and test it. I need a monitor where text is sharp and clear.
Igluk, thank you for the links and explanation.

Does the fonts on Iiyama look similar to those on Samsung?
 
Hey guys, i have one question, is the Benq GW2470HM the same as the GW2470H?, because i couldn't find any reviews for it and perhaps i'll be buying it. Thanks in advance!
 
Hey everyone!

I've not been posting for few months and I've got an update on IIYAMA XB2483HSU-B2.

1)I think the screen got yellow over the last 18 months. Whites are no longer really white at 40% brightness. Especially at lower part of the screen. It's not noticable but something to be noted for sure.
edit: looked at it again today - it's fine... I must be imagining things.

2)There is a small bug walking around inside the panel lol. look:

I emailed iiyama warranty yesterday with no answer yet. The panel is clearly not sealed properly! I know they do not make the panels but You know.
edit: The little bug is gone !!! So it was probably walking between leds and panel and it must have been only it's shadow.

So can someone update the status of displays to me please? I am talking about 3000:1 displays or better. I got gtx 1060 6gb recently and maybe it would be a good time to go to 1440p/27inch ? Not sure... there are also all there 144hz bullshit monitors.
I would just want oled 60hz monitors with different sizes to be true. AMVA is pretty great but You still have to deal with noticable ghosting/motion blur and some gamma shift... all that for the price of contrast better than 1000:1 (ips and tn).
 
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Hello, new to this thread.

I have been looking for a new monitor for a couple of months now. I've been through a few IPS panels (pg278q/xb271hu) but I just could not stand the ips glow, especially at the distance I usually sit (about 15 inches from the monitor).

Any kind of dark game or area the ips glow was very distracting, even to the point that it could obscure detail and text if it was in the bottom corners, drove me nuts. The colors of it were great, but the ips glow was just too much of an issue for me.

I have heard VA panels are much better at this, anyone have suggestions?

Main things I am looking for:

1. Good colors
2. Good black levels
3. No blb/ips glow like issues
4. Not curved

Really wish OLED technology would move faster already lol.
 
lol, nothing against people that like them, but I just can't stand curved monitors/screens.
 
Lim's cave is trying put together a review of the C32CHG70.
https://limscave.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=100
What matters:

peak luminance of 384 cd/m²
2000:1 contrast after calibration

Scanning backlight does work:

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I missed the 120Hz pursuit camera images, which are the best setting on the C27CFG70. Luminance goes down to 239 cd/m with the scanning backlight ON, but contrast increases to 2365:1.
So far i feel inclined to add the whole HG70 product line into the "gaming nirvana" pantheon
 
The display market has become bloated like an old fat Elvis....its needs to get back to the young Elvis days where you could bounce quarters off that tight ass......no homo.



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geok1ng said:
I believe this video is more scientifically inclined than yours :
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You must have read my comment in that video:

You know....you learn something new everyday. Always learning, always growing as a person. To expand your horizons and become better than you were yesterday. That is why research and observable science such as this is so imperative....one day this data may solve world hunger, cure cancer and clone Chuck Norris!
 
Wow, what a disappointing season for new VA monitors in the mid-range bracket. I've kept postponing my purchase of a 27" FHD VA monitor for 6 months hoping for just the right product. Unfortunately, AUO don't appear to have done squat and Samsung, already ahead, appear to be simply coasting along. One of the monitors I had looked at, the C27F5xx series (e.g. C27F591), has literally just had a splash of paint applied. The C27H580 features what appears to be the exact same panel, same inputs, same everything... just the white and silver now changed to blue and black.

I actually prefer the blue and black, but the monitor isn't available here yet and the old one is now on sale. No, I will not pay 20% extra for a slightly prettier paint job.

It's really disappointing that the quantum dot FHD panel in the FG70 didn't migrate to the H580. Or that they didn't fix the base, which is (again) completely unadjustable except for a slight back-tilt (and no vesa). There is a business variant of the FHD display (using what appears to be the same panel as the F/H 5-series) called the C27H800 which is fully adjustable and has usb/usb-c as well. But, even ignoring the lack of local availability, it's 80% more than the F591. That's a lot of scratch for an adjustable stand.

Since the quantum dot FHD panel in the FG70 didn't make it into the H580, one might have expected to see the panel stay in the Gaming display's upgrade, but the HG70 (which is available for preorder at > 50% more than the FG70) has stepped up the resolution to 1440p. That makes me wonder if Samsung will continue to produce the FG70.

Price aside, the HG70 actually has a lot of very nice features and it'll be an interesting display for those looking for a 1440p gaming display. Samsung have managed to bump the brightness 100 nits, add FRC for 10 bit color, add support for FreeSync2... and HDR support with two HDMI 2.0 connections (in addition to DP). AND they ditched that ridiculous arm-stand that cost 4 inches of depth. Just a useless display for my needs :(.

Have any of the other manufacturers put out good displays on the Samsung FHD VA panels? And what's going on with the upgrade to AUO's VA line?

Bottom line is, I can't wait any longer. I think I'm just going to buy the F591 and be done with it.

Someone please talk me out of it! ;)
 
qmech you can always start a thread asking for purchase advices. you sound like someone who knows a bit about monitors, just tell your usage scenario, country and budget and we will help.
 
yeah, AUO is lacking behind. The new Samsungs seems a little overpriced with gimmicks that are either useless or that I don't need. Also having issues with blurry text on a 700$ monitor is ridiculous.
 
geok1ng said:
qmech you can always start a thread asking for purchase advices. you sound like someone who knows a bit about monitors, just tell your usage scenario, country and budget and we will help.
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Isn't that what this whole thread is ;-). And I've read every post.

As for my needs, it will be doing double duty as a console gaming monitor and more traditional computer monitor, with varied usage (everything from light gaming to multimedia to graphics work to development to word processing). The console need limits the resolution to 1080p or double that in both directions. My eyes necessitate a monitor without IPS glow and TN is just bad. My budget is flexible, but I don't like overpaying and I'm not throwing OLED money at the display. That pretty much leaves VA. And physical space limits the size to 27".
 
qmech said:
Isn't that what this whole thread is
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no, the thread started as an anal exercise of someone that loved glossy panels more than anything else and gradually become a hub of VA information.
usually purchase advises are too unique and custom tailored to be followed on this thread- just imagine when 3 persons ask for purchase advices on the same thread, each with its own usage scenario and budget.

On your case: graphics work and VA are rarely seen on the same sentence: what kind of graphics work tolerates horizontal gamma shift but can not be done on a curved screen?
 
geok1ng said:
no, the thread started as an anal exercise of someone that loved glossy panels more than anything else and gradually become a hub of VA information.
usually purchase advises are too unique and custom tailored to be followed on this thread- just imagine when 3 persons ask for purchase advices on the same thread, each with its own usage scenario and budget.
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And this is why I'm NOT looking at "purchasing recommendations" as such. I'm more interested in hearing if there are any interesting VA panels in the pipeline (in the 27" FHD bracket), but as I noted with my post above, Samsung certainly don't seem to be busy in that regard, but as I noted in my initial post (this time around), I was wondering if any other manufacturers had any displays in the pipeline with the Samsung FHD panels.

Certainly, my interest in VA panels is motivated in part by my wish to buy one, but that's a (slightly) different matter.

Additionally, my post was an attempt to give a quick overview of the state Samsung's new monitors in the 27" VA segment (where only the HG70 seems promising, as far as I can tell).
 
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