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Best Buy Asking Employees To Contact Congress
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Yeah... I went there maybe 9 or 10 years ago to pick up some physical boxed copy of some new game before Steam was around... hmm... It may have even been Half Life 2 which was my introduction to Steam...You're a retired ex-border patrol agent. Right, sure.
I told you that you wouldn't beleive me?
85th Session of the Border Patrol Academy, Jan. 1966, Graduated first in a class of 44 IPITs, and served in Yuma, AZ, until transfering to the Bureau of Customs, in June 1970.
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@ Teenk9
(Lol, the Obama adminstration has deported more illegals than any previous adminstration. Talk about regurgitating Faux News garbage.)
Since, among other things, I AM A RETIRED, EX-BORDER PATROL AGENT (IPI), WHO STILL CONTACTS OLD FRIENDS STILL WORKING, I CAN TELL YOU, FOR A FACT, THAT OUR COUNTRY IS FLOODED WITH MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS THAN EVER BEFORE, AND THE CURRENT BPAs ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OBEY THEIR SWORN OATHS OF OFFICE, BY THE HIGER UPS IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE HE WANTS THEM IN THE US, AS REGISTERED DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, WHO WILL OWE, AND VOTE DEMOCRATIC, IN FUTURE EXECTIONS, ALTHOUGH I DON'T EXPECT THAT YOU WILL BELIEVE IT!
PS: BTW, NONE OF THAT IS COVERED BY THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA, SO YOU ARE EVEN WRONG THERE TOO!
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Go to a farm in deep red Southern state around harvest time and look at who’s in the fields of these farm owners, who tend to be a very solid Republican block. The minute you start talking about deporting all of those field hands the first the farmer is going to say is "Do you want you food prices to go up?" To sit there and say that all of these people are crossing the border so that Obama can give them welfare and turn them into Democratic voters is complete bullshit.
These people wouldn't be coming here if there were not a LOT of demand for their labor. And there's plenty of upstanding right leaning farmers all over that are more than happy to use that labor, among other industries. And quite honestly Democrats don't really need to lift a finger when it comes to galvanizing minority voters because of the CONSTANT insults coming from the right.
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Everybody (groups) uses, and abuses, the Illegal Aliens for their own reasons, and desire for Profit.
Doesn't matter whether it's in a Red, or Blue, State, but the end result is the same. Someone, or Some Group, gains what ever their aims, goals, or other desired ends that they useing the Illegal Aliens for!
PS: The Upper Case Typing is for the benifet of those of us old people, who have difficulty seeing, and typing, on these smal couputer screens. That, and for those who may be recent Public Shool System Graduates, who are suffering from being Brain Washed (Dumbed Down) by never being exposed to the US Constitution, or learning anything about God, Duty, Honor, and Country (ie. Patriotic Feelings)
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Ah, but the person making the purchase does live there so they would be subject to those taxing authorities.
Hey Paul Ed
A few things.
The Obama administration has deported more than any previous President. It's in the numbers. Up to nearly 2 million according to this article. He's also increased the size, scale and scope of ICE and DHS along with keeping up with implementing other things like the program to deport or imprison people who try more than once... and when I say deport, I mean they'll pick them in Texas (per se) and then return them at the border in San Diego so they are hundreds, if not thousands of miles away from where they were caught.
You are right about how immigration is affecting industry. What I'd like to see is heavier punishments for those caught willfully employing illegals, I'm talking fines equating to the difference in wage between standard and immigrant workers coupled with the cost of benefits. So if you employ a farm hand for 3 years at 2 dollars a day for a 14 hour shift, you owe back pay, in the form of fines, equating to 3 years at minimum wage (7.25) x 14 hours per day and then an approximation of the benefits. This would be per worker. So hiring one to build a deck would count as a contractor and, even though he only took 1 13 hour day for 50 bucks, you'd owe standard contracting fees (let's say 14 bucks an hour) so 132 dollars in fines plus other fees as appropriate to the local industry.
Punish the people hiring them and they'll have no reason to come here. What we're doing now is like brushing a broken tooth to prevent infection but not fixing the tooth.
A few things.
The Obama administration has deported more than any previous President. It's in the numbers. Up to nearly 2 million according to this article. He's also increased the size, scale and scope of ICE and DHS along with keeping up with implementing other things like the program to deport or imprison people who try more than once... and when I say deport, I mean they'll pick them in Texas (per se) and then return them at the border in San Diego so they are hundreds, if not thousands of miles away from where they were caught.
You are right about how immigration is affecting industry. What I'd like to see is heavier punishments for those caught willfully employing illegals, I'm talking fines equating to the difference in wage between standard and immigrant workers coupled with the cost of benefits. So if you employ a farm hand for 3 years at 2 dollars a day for a 14 hour shift, you owe back pay, in the form of fines, equating to 3 years at minimum wage (7.25) x 14 hours per day and then an approximation of the benefits. This would be per worker. So hiring one to build a deck would count as a contractor and, even though he only took 1 13 hour day for 50 bucks, you'd owe standard contracting fees (let's say 14 bucks an hour) so 132 dollars in fines plus other fees as appropriate to the local industry.
Punish the people hiring them and they'll have no reason to come here. What we're doing now is like brushing a broken tooth to prevent infection but not fixing the tooth.
Sure, ecause a random online forum poster cannot just pull that BS out of their @ss. You absolutely missed my point. Just because you say you're a border patrol agent doesn't make you one. And your claim to authority does not give you or your opinion anymore legitimacy. Here's a clue, you're just a random forum poster, just like all of us, get over yourself.TwistedAegis
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And even being a border patrol agent doesn't lend validity to claims. I've met more than enough people in X field that still don't know what the hell they're talking about after 30 years; particularly when it comes to the merger of politics and said field.
Mmm.... crack.
I do not claim any kind of authority, but I am just closer to the source of first hand information, to know people who do know what is going on right now, and belonging to Retired Border Patrol organizations.
After the Border Patrol, I also spent 20 years in the Bureau of Customs, Customs Service, Customs Border Protection, Drug Smuggling Investigation areas, and have also kept track of what is happening there now as well.
Just find some of the CBP websites, and you will learn that all is not what the public face of the outfit is being portrayed as, by their Political management!
Since your first response claimed "You'r Batman", I can deduce that your historical knowledge of American Hero's, and Persons, only extends back the the Marel Comic Books, or the even newer Grafical Action re-makes of those comic books?
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This is exactly what i was going to say. You really can't blame the immigrants for taking advantage of a system that's ripe for the taking. I don't give a shit how many they deport. I want to see them cracking down on the businesses hiring these folks.
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The US has the largest land border with the highest GDP per capita disparity of anywhere else in the world. You talk about government waste, overspending, etc - let's talk about the billions and billions of dollars it would cost to create the next great wall of China and the manpower, technology and continued maintenance and surveillance costs to insure not one more Mexican crosses the border illegally. Particularly when they're here to commit such heinous acts as pick fruit that otherwise would spoil because Americans don't want to do it.
http://blog.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html said:
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A. That wasn't me.
B. Sorry, but the random punctuation, grammar and typos, fairly or not, makes me question certain things about you.
C. I know of American culture of immigration and making welcome those who come here. Our current immigration system is a complete POS and someone wanting to come here legally from Mexico has almost no ability to do so without decades of BS. If nothing else, these immigrants will help to keep SS, Medicare, etc, solvent by expanding our tax rolls.
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You hear this argument a lot, but i call bullshit. Maybe for the same wage as they pay a migrate worker, sure. But actually pay them minimum wage? If i had to choose between fast food and picking fruit for the same wage, you bet your ass i'd go pick some fruit.
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Did you read the link? That's only one of many examples - there was a shortfall of 11,000 jobs. They couldn't even get prisoners to do it right.
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Yes our current immigration system is a piece of shit. If you removed under-the-table jobs as much as you can, then made it easier for people to come into this country and work legally, then yes immigrants would help keep SS, Medicare, etc solvent by actually paying taxes into the system.
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Insanely, some actually do. You can slowly work through the system, while here, to try and become legal. BUT - if you don't pay taxes while you're here, illegally, that disqualifies you as you technically were breaking the law, which disqualifies you for a green card. So, many actually go through and file taxes and pay the IRS. Others, while using fake/stolen SS #s, have their employers pay into SS under said SS so the employer can claim plausible deniability. I believe studies have said something like $9B per year are paid in to SS alone, never to be claimed, due to this.
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Or, since we don't need to drive up food prices unnecessarily, we could have a special lower minimum wage for agriculture to keep it competitive. Since we can import most of the same things we grow it is not advantageous to drive up the price of our local products and just force people to buy the imported fruit and vegetables (which would be cheaper). The gap we have is we need a system to allow temporary workers to enter the country legally, perform these low wage jobs that USA citizens don't want to do or pay for, and then return home when they are done (to return during the next season). That would make more sense than trying to pay apple pickers $7.5/hr.
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Well sure that'd make more sense. As long as these folks are paying taxes, then that's cool.
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I did not know this. That is pretty insane. I didn't think that many actually cared about taking up permanent residency here.
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Think of it how many on [H] look at piracy. They want some video/book/game/music/whatever and it isn't available by any legitimate means. Thus, they feel justified in downloading it.
Many immigrants in Mexico see jobs, improved security, opportunity here, yet have no way to get it by legitimate means. So they do it anyway. I'm sure some take advantage coming over here, but honestly, I'd hypothesize that due to the hard work required to get here in the first place, it weeds out the lazies and you have a higher percentage of people looking to mooch than the general population.
Sounds good to me too, but don't think it'll ever happen, since some of the big name growers of food products are dependent on the illegal alien labor for their income, and profits, and have been even way back when I was chasing Alambristas (Fense Jumpers) back on the Yuma, AZ mesa, and valley.
Actually its not. Like everything else Obama admin lies about deportations (and you may recall how Obama admin was busted faking unemployment dip just before 2012 election). Unlike past administrations Obama crew counts border apprehensions by Border Patrol as "deportations" by ICE. That's like DAs counting police arrests as convictions. Its just one fraud after another with this crew.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html
You are underestimating the problem and overestimating the costs.
Like most people you fail to realize Mexican and South American cartels are working with Al Qaeda, Hezzbollah and others in great numbers. Venezuela and Chavez made an alliance with Iran. There are thousands of Hezzbollah in SA and Mexico. Al Qaeda protects cartel drug routers in Europe and ME. Hezzbollah taught cartels how to make tunnels with rails under the border. They are buddies now.
If you read about the recent border incursion (that documents show Obama admin planned for last January) you can discover that its the cartels controlling the people coming over the border. Indeed they are forcing people to cross border.
"After visiting Saturday with some of unaccompanied children flooding the Rio Grande Valley, Texas Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Dist. 28, said cartels may be behind the surge of young immigrants and families from Central America.
Cuellar said when he asked them how they came, "Most of them say, 'It wasn't my decision. It was the smuggling organization that got us up here.'"
He said drug cartels control human smuggling operations."
http://www.ksat.com/news/cuellar-cartels-may-be-behind-immigrant-surge/26520590
We can also see the cartels/terrorists are using the flood to distract enforcement:
"The cartels purposely cross between ports of entry to tie up Border Patrol manpower, creating holes in our enforcement and facilitating their other lines of business, such as drug smuggling and the smuggling of known criminals into the U.S
"Drug cartels use children to distract Border Patrol"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/24/dhs-chief-congress-i-cant-explain-surge-illegals/
What you are seeing at the border is an intentional border handicapping by Obama admin, and cartels and terrorist groups using the chance to infiltrate US using a flood of "children" as distraction. You can bet your underwear there are many adults crossing over with the "children".
Its a treacherous admin that would break a border and allow criminals and terrorists to enter. Of course its a nation of miseducated dopes that makes it all possible. Any day now we are going to wake up to an even bigger horror than 9-11 and cant say we don't deserve it.
So...
Instead of cutting the fat from the op of the ladder and restructuring to be more competitive, BB would rather write to congress and try to make online prices HIGHER instead of adjusting their model....
Hmm.
Can we just line these greedy bastards up against the wall and open fire yet?
Instead of cutting the fat from the op of the ladder and restructuring to be more competitive, BB would rather write to congress and try to make online prices HIGHER instead of adjusting their model....
Hmm.
Can we just line these greedy bastards up against the wall and open fire yet?
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Amazon also favors the internet tax law ... Do they need to restructure too ... The internet consumers are supposed to be paying taxes already ... Because we have been violating the law it is necessary to do this ... Other countries use a VAT so they don't have this problem
Personally I see nothing wrong with a company asking their employees to weigh in on legislation that would benefit or hurt the company (as long as it is voluntary)... I have had previous employers ask employees to weigh in on corporate tax laws, immigration laws, stock option laws, sarbanes/oxley, and import/export laws (but that was always our choice) ... I see nothing wrong with this